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Post by rockwall on Aug 28, 2024 10:32:32 GMT 1
Ruffels made 2 or 3 fantastic tackles/blocks to stop them. Was probably our best defender and better performers. Closed his eyes and missed headers. Volleyed the ball straight up in the air. Positioning was off. Was too deep to get out for second balls. He was technically atrocious as was Turton. Didn't think his positioning was off at all. Why are you scapegoating him and Turton when everyone else apart from Koroma and Sorenson were just as bad? If Ruffels can score goals like last night with his eyes shut and missing headers...... then he is a magician. Helik was the worst of the lot in his 45 minutes, but like Warnock, nothing negative can be said about him. |
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 28, 2024 10:37:25 GMT 1
Closed his eyes and missed headers. Volleyed the ball straight up in the air. Positioning was off. Was too deep to get out for second balls. He was technically atrocious as was Turton. Didn't think his positioning was off at all. Why are you scapegoating him and Turton when everyone else apart from Koroma and Sorenson were just as bad? If Ruffels can score goals like last night with his eyes shut and missing headers...... then he is a magician. Helik was the worst of the lot in his 45 minutes, but like Warnock, nothing negative can be said about him.It's amazing how Helik has become prime Beckenbaeur in the eyes of some of our fans. |
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Post by runner76 on Aug 28, 2024 10:37:36 GMT 1
to be fair, it's really the fault of the referee, they fucked it for us  |
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Post by Terriersmad on Aug 28, 2024 10:41:50 GMT 1
Just watched the Pearson incident at 0.25x on the highlights. I can't see him tug or hold the Walsall player, it shows their player throwing themselves to the ground way after any contact could have taken place. At the time I thought it was a red, now, I'm not sure. Maxwell clearly wasnt impressed. I'm probably wrong of course. Never a red, hopefully they'll appeal. The contact amounts to Pearson touching the attacker. That's not a foul. I've also slowed it to 0.25 speed. There's a tiny, tiny contact between Pearson's right hand and the attacker's right arm that does not impede him; it's not even a tenth of a second, there's no break in stride, no change in body shape, nothing. He takes two more unimpeded steps, then, realising he's lost the ball because of his crap touch, throws himself to the floor. Even if it's a foul (and you could argue he does make a very limited grab for the forward) it cannot be a red card because he's lost the ball at the time of the very limited contact, straight into Maxwell's hands. |
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Post by Wingman on Aug 28, 2024 10:50:02 GMT 1
Surely Town can appeal the red card, as it was a straight red. I have known appeals to see bans extended though, so it’s a roll of the dice.
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Post by Terriersmad on Aug 28, 2024 10:51:45 GMT 1
Surely Town can appeal the red card, as it was a straight red. I have known appeals to see bans extended though, so it’s a roll of the dice. We should be. Though after the Matt Glennon sending off at Southend, where the Southend striker even wrote in support to say he slipped and wasn't fouled (and after he'd told the ref the same), does anyone expect those clowns to do anything? The appeals panel exist not to right wrongs, but to back up the officials. |
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Post by Dell12 on Aug 28, 2024 11:45:47 GMT 1
Never a red, hopefully they'll appeal. The contact amounts to Pearson touching the attacker. That's not a foul. I've also slowed it to 0.25 speed. There's a tiny, tiny contact between Pearson's right hand and the attacker's right arm that does not impede him; it's not even a tenth of a second, there's no break in stride, no change in body shape, nothing. He takes two more unimpeded steps, then, realising he's lost the ball because of his crap touch, throws himself to the floor. Even if it's a foul (and you could argue he does make a very limited grab for the forward) it cannot be a red card because he's lost the ball at the time of the very limited contact, straight into Maxwell's hands. I agree it's very soft, but ultimately the referee gets one chance to see it at a poor angle from 40 yards away. So to a point, he's guessing. So Pearson needs to put pressure on him without raising his hands and making it look like he's pulling him back. It stems from poor positioning and a lack of pace, unfortunately. |
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Post by thorntoncterrier on Aug 28, 2024 12:00:31 GMT 1
I cannot believe Duff is questioning the decision to give a penalty. It was blatant. He should be telling Headley to defend properly and stop being a fricking idiot.
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Post by nickhtafc82 on Aug 28, 2024 12:16:28 GMT 1
I cannot believe Duff is questioning the decision to give a penalty. It was blatant. He should be telling Headley to defend properly and stop being a fricking idiot. 2 handed push in the back. 0 arguments and just like the Brodie one, stupid to give away. Yes these contacts happen all the time in the box, but the headley one is so blatant it's embarrassing. |
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Post by tottz on Aug 28, 2024 12:30:17 GMT 1
Closed his eyes and missed headers. Volleyed the ball straight up in the air. Positioning was off. Was too deep to get out for second balls. He was technically atrocious as was Turton. Didn't think his positioning was off at all. Why are you scapegoating him and Turton when everyone else apart from Koroma and Sorenson were just as bad? If Ruffels can score goals like last night with his eyes shut and missing headers...... then he is a magician. Helik was the worst of the lot in his 45 minutes, but like Warnock, nothing negative can be said about him. I'm not scapegoating him. Helik was incredibly poor, a real off day. I've highlighted Ruffels because there were basic and fundamental problems with his game that made me question whether he can play that centre back role. Turton to a lesser extent had similar issues. Amidst the backdrop of Brodie Spencer, who is also struggling with some of the basics of playing centre back, it's worrying. |
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Post by tottz on Aug 28, 2024 12:31:22 GMT 1
Didn't think his positioning was off at all. Why are you scapegoating him and Turton when everyone else apart from Koroma and Sorenson were just as bad? If Ruffels can score goals like last night with his eyes shut and missing headers...... then he is a magician. Helik was the worst of the lot in his 45 minutes, but like Warnock, nothing negative can be said about him.It's amazing how Helik has become prime Beckenbaeur in the eyes of some of our fans. He was atrocious last night |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Aug 28, 2024 12:33:52 GMT 1
I cannot believe Duff is questioning the decision to give a penalty. It was blatant. He should be telling Headley to defend properly and stop being a fricking idiot. 2 handed push in the back. 0 arguments and just like the Brodie one, stupid to give away. Yes these contacts happen all the time in the box, but the headley one is so blatant it's embarrassing. Found his penalty comments weird and a bit worrying. It actually should’ve helped us win - it gets saved, we score soon after and Walsall has suffered a double whammy. We didn’t take advantage of that (by shutting them out) and they didn’t let their heads drop while we crumbled. |
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Post by nickhtafc82 on Aug 28, 2024 12:42:51 GMT 1
2 handed push in the back. 0 arguments and just like the Brodie one, stupid to give away. Yes these contacts happen all the time in the box, but the headley one is so blatant it's embarrassing. Found his penalty comments weird and a bit worrying. It actually should’ve helped us win - it gets saved, we score soon after and Walsall has suffered a double whammy. We didn’t take advantage of that (by shutting them out) and they didn’t let their heads drop while we crumbled. I think he's just trying to protect his players, but unfortunately occasionally it may make one sound daft. I prefer honesty and just say it how it is, how we as fans see it, but hes dealing with potentially fragile egos etc The defending was worse than schoolboy level. For the second, there's 5 players to 2 Walsall and they break through us and score. What was Helik doing?! Going to sound controversial, but take away Heliks goals, is he actually that good a defender? Total embarrassment. I'm glad we're out, it's a distraction for me, especially given the other mickey mouse tournament we're in (not the FA cup obvs). |
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Post by E4b on Aug 28, 2024 12:48:21 GMT 1
In MD’s words we list the match because we weren’t able to win our duels. Answer to that problem is to be able to field players who have the ability/strength/speed to win their duels and against Lg 1 opponents rather than Lg2. We need at least 6 players in before the deadline to have a realistic chance of fighting for promotion.
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Post by kdriveterrier on Aug 28, 2024 12:54:11 GMT 1
I cannot believe Duff is questioning the decision to give a penalty. It was blatant. He should be telling Headley to defend properly and stop being a fricking idiot. Agree with you 100%.Whilst he is at it could he also tell Headley the general idea is to try and pass the round thing to the blokes in blue and white stripes. |
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 28, 2024 12:55:51 GMT 1
2 handed push in the back. 0 arguments and just like the Brodie one, stupid to give away. Yes these contacts happen all the time in the box, but the headley one is so blatant it's embarrassing. Found his penalty comments weird and a bit worrying. It actually should’ve helped us win - it gets saved, we score soon after and Walsall has suffered a double whammy. We didn’t take advantage of that (by shutting them out) and they didn’t let their heads drop while we crumbled. The penalty save lifted everything, the crowd were up and we soon scored to go 2-0 up. Then all of a sudden, we reverted to type. |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Aug 28, 2024 13:01:11 GMT 1
Found his penalty comments weird and a bit worrying. It actually should’ve helped us win - it gets saved, we score soon after and Walsall has suffered a double whammy. We didn’t take advantage of that (by shutting them out) and they didn’t let their heads drop while we crumbled. The penalty save lifted everything, the crowd were up and we soon scored to go 2-0 up. Then all of a sudden, we reverted to type. Too many of the same old losers on that pitch. Scored second, thought it was done and dusted and visibly wilted. |
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Post by thorntoncterrier on Aug 28, 2024 13:18:55 GMT 1
The penalty save lifted everything, the crowd were up and we soon scored to go 2-0 up. Then all of a sudden, we reverted to type. Too many of the same old losers on that pitch. Scored second, thought it was done and dusted and visibly wilted. This. In a nutshell. And this is the culture Duff is trying to eradicate. Can only do it though if bad apples like Headley are jettisoned. It will take time to develop the right culture. Still some way to go so people expecting instant improvement are deluded. |
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 28, 2024 13:24:17 GMT 1
The penalty save lifted everything, the crowd were up and we soon scored to go 2-0 up. Then all of a sudden, we reverted to type. Too many of the same old losers on that pitch. Scored second, thought it was done and dusted and visibly wilted. Spot on. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Aug 28, 2024 13:25:59 GMT 1
Too many of the same old losers on that pitch. Scored second, thought it was done and dusted and visibly wilted. This. In a nutshell. And this is the culture Duff is trying to eradicate. Can only do it though if bad apples like Headley are jettisoned. It will take time to develop the right culture. Still some way to go so people expecting instant improvement are deluded. It shouldn't be the likes of Headley on the chopping block, he's only been playing men's football for a couple years. It's the senior figures who should set the standard and be the loudest communicators on the pitch. Headley was crap yesterday but so were the vastly experienced Hogg and Pearson, who are supposed to be the old heads guiding the younger players and using their experience to see out results. |
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Post by theterrier42 on Aug 28, 2024 13:30:57 GMT 1
Peteborough aside (not counting Morecambe as they are a pub side) we have looked shaky going into the lead. I don’t think our players know how to play when in front, it’s been so alien to the majority of them the last couple of years they simply don’t know how to act when in the lead. This is worrying and needs to be sorted asap as against better sides we will allow leads to slip
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Post by giveusanaitch on Aug 28, 2024 14:11:05 GMT 1
Did anyone else get the sense that the players weren't too bothered about the result last night? I've only seen the highlights so there will be things I haven't seen but the reactions to the goals, the penalty save and the chances just didn't seem like a group doing everything to win. Koroma barely celebrates and the players around him give a quick high five. Keeper saves a pen and players giving him a bit of a thanks. After having such a miserable time of it last year these guys should be jumping at the chance for any positive game actions and celebrating it as a group. Walsall's celebrations were a stark contrast in my opinion. Maybe it was just a sense of expectation from the group.
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Post by runner76 on Aug 28, 2024 15:30:39 GMT 1
Did anyone else get the sense that the players weren't too bothered about the result last night? I've only seen the highlights so there will be things I haven't seen but the reactions to the goals, the penalty save and the chances just didn't seem like a group doing everything to win. Koroma barely celebrates and the players around him give a quick high five. Keeper saves a pen and players giving him a bit of a thanks. After having such a miserable time of it last year these guys should be jumping at the chance for any positive game actions and celebrating it as a group. Walsall's celebrations were a stark contrast in my opinion. Maybe it was just a sense of expectation from the group. Probably because they’re not bothered? It’s a cup we won’t win and a distraction to the job in hand of promotion. Duff also didn’t seem that bothered in his interview after. |
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Post by tottz on Aug 28, 2024 15:40:10 GMT 1
I'm a huge fan of Duff so far, but he did play a big role in that loss last night. The 3 in midfield left the full backs exploited and Walsall kept hitting that long diagonal onto them time and time again.
It just made their goals feel inevitable
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Post by sabailand on Aug 28, 2024 17:15:47 GMT 1
Peteborough aside (not counting Morecambe as they are a pub side) we have looked shaky going into the lead. I don’t think our players know how to play when in front, it’s been so alien to the majority of them the last couple of years they simply don’t know how to act when in the lead. This is worrying and needs to be sorted asap as against better sides we will allow leads to slip Not sure thats right tbh, in the four games up to last night we've gone in at half time leading and remained in the lead until full time, last night we threw it away cos we were down to ten men, although we'll never know with eleven men i dont think we'd have lost. |
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Post by goodbet on Aug 28, 2024 17:24:34 GMT 1
Peteborough aside (not counting Morecambe as they are a pub side) we have looked shaky going into the lead. I don’t think our players know how to play when in front, it’s been so alien to the majority of them the last couple of years they simply don’t know how to act when in the lead. This is worrying and needs to be sorted asap as against better sides we will allow leads to slip Not sure thats right tbh, in the four games up to last night we've gone in at half time leading and remained in the lead until full time, last night we threw it away cos we were down to ten men, although we'll never know with eleven men i dont think we'd have lost. You are probably right, but we were playing Walsall's second team so we should have done better with ten. We normally find it more difficult to play against 10 men! |
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Post by thorntoncterrier on Aug 28, 2024 17:55:10 GMT 1
This. In a nutshell. And this is the culture Duff is trying to eradicate. Can only do it though if bad apples like Headley are jettisoned. It will take time to develop the right culture. Still some way to go so people expecting instant improvement are deluded. It shouldn't be the likes of Headley on the chopping block, he's only been playing men's football for a couple years. It's the senior figures who should set the standard and be the loudest communicators on the pitch. Headley was crap yesterday but so were the vastly experienced Hogg and Pearson, who are supposed to be the old heads guiding the younger players and using their experience to see out results. Headley is exactly who we should be getting rid of. His attitude last season stunk. No matter how many years he has played adult football, he is execrable. |
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Post by theterrier42 on Aug 28, 2024 18:19:49 GMT 1
Peteborough aside (not counting Morecambe as they are a pub side) we have looked shaky going into the lead. I don’t think our players know how to play when in front, it’s been so alien to the majority of them the last couple of years they simply don’t know how to act when in the lead. This is worrying and needs to be sorted asap as against better sides we will allow leads to slip Not sure thats right tbh, in the four games up to last night we've gone in at half time leading and remained in the lead until full time, last night we threw it away cos we were down to ten men, although we'll never know with eleven men i dont think we'd have lost. If Shrewsbury and Stevenage didn’t miss multiple sitters each it would’ve been different |
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Post by bluebeard on Aug 28, 2024 18:38:01 GMT 1
Not sure thats right tbh, in the four games up to last night we've gone in at half time leading and remained in the lead until full time, last night we threw it away cos we were down to ten men, although we'll never know with eleven men i dont think we'd have lost. You are probably right, but we were playing Walsall's second team so we should have done better with ten. We normally find it more difficult to play against 10 men! Walsall's second team!! that just makes everything even worse. Words fail me, the amount of Town fans i have spoken to this morning who feel the same and while some fans try and make excuses, in my book there are none. This tells me a lot about the character of a team or lack off. |
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Post by thorntoncterrier on Aug 28, 2024 18:45:46 GMT 1
Not sure thats right tbh, in the four games up to last night we've gone in at half time leading and remained in the lead until full time, last night we threw it away cos we were down to ten men, although we'll never know with eleven men i dont think we'd have lost. If Shrewsbury and Stevenage didn’t miss multiple sitters each it would’ve been different And if my Aunty had balls........... |
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