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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 4, 2024 20:48:45 GMT 1
Touchline ban incoming?
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Post by nickhtafc82 on Sept 4, 2024 21:10:03 GMT 1
I'd argue the match official acted in an improper manner 🙄 Not condoning their actions, they both should know better, but i bet sebastian loved waving his favourite card around 2 more times. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 4, 2024 21:31:09 GMT 1
The club should ask the FA to explain how an attacker who is completely the wrong side of the ball can throw his leg across the line of the defender and throw himself to the ground and be awarded a penalty.
Until they receive an answer for that refuse to respond to this charge
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Post by runner76 on Sept 4, 2024 21:45:32 GMT 1
Anyone know what occurred?
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 4, 2024 21:46:31 GMT 1
Just around 23:55 on the 5th Sept, they should just phone the EFL and cite the Cork Radio competition from a few yrs back, it went like this…
A radio station in Ireland is taking calls to find a word that is commonly used but isn't in the dictionary yet...
The first caller get's through,
"Hello! What word do you think should be in the dictionary?"
"Goan!"
"Goan? Can you use it in a sentence?"
"Yeah, go'an fuck yerself!" The caller then begins laughing until the station can cut off his call.
After several more calls they get another man,
"And what's your word sir?"
"Smee!"
"Can you use it in a sentence?"
"Aye! S'mee again! Go'an fuck yerself!"
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Post by Richard1986 on Sept 4, 2024 21:52:28 GMT 1
Officials in last few matches have been dreadful.
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Post by htfcterry on Sept 4, 2024 21:57:46 GMT 1
I'd argue the match official acted in an improper manner 🙄 Not condoning their actions, they both should know better, but i bet sebastian loved waving his favourite card around 2 more times. Oh my days, did you see the way he gave Ward that red card. He couldn't wait could he? You can tell he'd been practicing that moment in his bedroom mirror all week |
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Post by rockwall on Sept 4, 2024 22:04:51 GMT 1
It's about time the FA took responsibility for their officials.
Doesn't matter what line of work you're in, when things happen and you know it is being done unfairly, frustration happens.
Moreso in sport where in that environment I can imagine it's so easy to let the frustration out.
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Post by utttrooper on Sept 4, 2024 22:08:36 GMT 1
I'd argue the match official acted in an improper manner 🙄 Not condoning their actions, they both should know better, but i bet sebastian loved waving his favourite card around 2 more times. Oh my days, did you see the way he gave Ward that red card. He couldn't wait could he? You can tell he'd been practicing that moment in his bedroom mirror all week He probably had his birthday earlier that week and got a new set of cards. Or maybe he's just besties with Tonali. |
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Post by townatheart on Sept 4, 2024 22:22:35 GMT 1
Just around 23:55 on the 5th Sept, they should just phone the EFL and cite the Cork Radio competition from a few yrs back, it went like this… A radio station in Ireland is taking calls to find a word that is commonly used but isn't in the dictionary yet... The first caller get's through, "Hello! What word do you think should be in the dictionary?" "Goan!" "Goan? Can you use it in a sentence?" "Yeah, go'an fuck yerself!" The caller then begins laughing until the station can cut off his call. After several more calls they get another man, "And what's your word sir?" "Smee!" "Can you use it in a sentence?" "Aye! S'mee again! Go'an fuck yerself!" That is genuinely funny, thanks for putting a smile on my grumpy old face 👏 |
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Post by deucebigalow77 on Sept 4, 2024 22:32:14 GMT 1
Just around 23:55 on the 5th Sept, they should just phone the EFL and cite the Cork Radio competition from a few yrs back, it went like this… A radio station in Ireland is taking calls to find a word that is commonly used but isn't in the dictionary yet... The first caller get's through, "Hello! What word do you think should be in the dictionary?" "Goan!" "Goan? Can you use it in a sentence?" "Yeah, go'an fuck yerself!" The caller then begins laughing until the station can cut off his call. After several more calls they get another man, "And what's your word sir?" "Smee!" "Can you use it in a sentence?" "Aye! S'mee again! Go'an fuck yerself!" It's a long time since I last heard that one. A classic |
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Post by townarentbest on Sept 4, 2024 22:46:42 GMT 1
The club should ask the FA to explain how an attacker who is completely the wrong side of the ball can throw his leg across the line of the defender and throw himself to the ground and be awarded a penalty. Until they receive an answer for that refuse to respond to this charge It doesn't go away, if they don't respond they'll be guilty and punished! |
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Post by huddersfc on Sept 4, 2024 23:37:38 GMT 1
To be honest it doesn’t bother me that we have staff that are pissed off with the decision making and aren’t afraid to show it when we get officials like we did against Rotherham. These cowards will give all the big decisions against us game after game, then cry when they rightly get taken to task.
In the response to the FA get someone to collate all the stats and video evidence and ask them for a response before the next game. They won’t be able to explain it, I can tell you that for nothing.
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Post by Terriersmad on Sept 5, 2024 7:26:28 GMT 1
There comes a point where it just looks and feels vindictive, and this is it. Not content with costing us a fair chance at getting something out of the game, the ref then decides to push on with getting further punishment from his match report.
I do think we’re a soft touch. I keep saying this and hope someone at the club picks up on it. I get being respectful, and that’s how it should be, but just taking it all on the chin is doing nothing for us at this point. We lost the game which we shouldn’t have. We had a man sent off, which we shouldn’t have. We said something about it, and two of our staff are now on FA charges for doing so. At some point the club has to turn around and say enough is enough. We’re going to push back.
But no doubt we’ll accept the charges and the bans. I note we haven’t appealed the red card as we should have done. Too soft. Too accepting. Not good enough.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Sept 5, 2024 8:26:03 GMT 1
There comes a point where it just looks and feels vindictive, and this is it. Not content with costing us a fair chance at getting something out of the game, the ref then decides to push on with getting further punishment from his match report. I do think we’re a soft touch. I keep saying this and hope someone at the club picks up on it. I get being respectful, and that’s how it should be, but just taking it all on the chin is doing nothing for us at this point. We lost the game which we shouldn’t have. We had a man sent off, which we shouldn’t have. We said something about it, and two of our staff are now on FA charges for doing so. At some point the club has to turn around and say enough is enough. We’re going to push back. But no doubt we’ll accept the charges and the bans. I note we haven’t appealed the red card as we should have done. Too soft. Too accepting. Not good enough. How we rolled over and just accepted Fat John Moss’ fuckery in the PO final was pitiful really. Wish we would have made a giant fuss, but alas it’s consigned to history now and no-one will remember it except us. |
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Post by nicovaesen on Sept 5, 2024 9:55:42 GMT 1
Take the absolute piss with financial fair play in two leagues and get away with it Scott free say some naughty words your banned! Yes Leicester I’m looking at you
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Post by marshterrier on Sept 5, 2024 18:20:45 GMT 1
The penalty decision was plain wrong, a dive from 100 yds away! That said you cant condone the indiscipline... it wont do us any favours. We were poor and lost a point but as many have said you cant keep papering over the cracks in the squad. Indiscipline will breed more indiscipline. We need to suck it up and move on and try and get Healey fit again.
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Post by rockwall on Sept 5, 2024 18:54:58 GMT 1
There comes a point where it just looks and feels vindictive, and this is it. Not content with costing us a fair chance at getting something out of the game, the ref then decides to push on with getting further punishment from his match report. I do think we’re a soft touch. I keep saying this and hope someone at the club picks up on it. I get being respectful, and that’s how it should be, but just taking it all on the chin is doing nothing for us at this point. We lost the game which we shouldn’t have. We had a man sent off, which we shouldn’t have. We said something about it, and two of our staff are now on FA charges for doing so. At some point the club has to turn around and say enough is enough. We’re going to push back. But no doubt we’ll accept the charges and the bans. I note we haven’t appealed the red card as we should have done. Too soft. Too accepting. Not good enough. Very contradicting post. Duff and Quay got disciplined for frustration towards a shit official. If the club appeal, .ore than likely bans get extended. The club will then also get fined if it they don't accept it and say enough is enough. Only one winner in regards to complaints and it isn't the club. Unless someone has the time to collate a presentation on all decisions against us over the last 3 seasons with evidence of why they were wrong, the FA would still do nothing. |
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Post by dewsburyborn on Sept 5, 2024 19:08:09 GMT 1
By my recollection Quy got the card for kicking the ball away to waste time as it went past him out of play ?
If that had happened to a player on the field of play, it would have been a yellow.
So why did Quy get a straight red ?
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Post by rothwellterrier on Sept 5, 2024 19:17:08 GMT 1
By my recollection Quy got the card for kicking the ball away to waste time as it went past him out of play ? If that had happened to a player on the field of play, it would have been a yellow. So why did Quy get a straight red ? I think it’s treated as a different offence (more severe) if done by a club official off the pitch. It came up on Sky sports ref watch after the south Wales derby, where the Cardiff boss refused to give Swansea the ball, even though play was dead because a player was down needing treatment. Dermott Gallagher mentioned it being a a straight red for the manager as per the rules. |
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Post by Terriersmad on Sept 5, 2024 19:32:04 GMT 1
There comes a point where it just looks and feels vindictive, and this is it. Not content with costing us a fair chance at getting something out of the game, the ref then decides to push on with getting further punishment from his match report. I do think we’re a soft touch. I keep saying this and hope someone at the club picks up on it. I get being respectful, and that’s how it should be, but just taking it all on the chin is doing nothing for us at this point. We lost the game which we shouldn’t have. We had a man sent off, which we shouldn’t have. We said something about it, and two of our staff are now on FA charges for doing so. At some point the club has to turn around and say enough is enough. We’re going to push back. But no doubt we’ll accept the charges and the bans. I note we haven’t appealed the red card as we should have done. Too soft. Too accepting. Not good enough. Very contradicting post. Duff and Quay got disciplined for frustration towards a shit official. If the club appeal, .ore than likely bans get extended. The club will then also get fined if it they don't accept it and say enough is enough. Only one winner in regards to complaints and it isn't the club. Unless someone has the time to collate a presentation on all decisions against us over the last 3 seasons with evidence of why they were wrong, the FA would still do nothing. It's getting into heads. We're meek and mild and easy to charge and easy to ride roughshod over. Many other clubs have active, orchestrated tactics to play the officials - if an official gives a penalty against them, for example, he knows he'll get surrounded, and too many officials feel they can't then book and send players off for dissent in those circumstances; compare that to when one Town player (normally Sorba Thomas) complains. Instant booking, because it's easy to book one. In effect, those clubs who flout the rules most brazenly are the ones who get away with the most over time because officials are worried about giving decisions against them. They get more penalties, concede fewer, can do more to the opposition and gain an edge in tight fixtures. They get fewer suspensions as fewer of their players get booked and sent off. They get to play against ten men more. At critical times, they're more likely to get a decision in a key area. They shouldn't, but they do. We've seen it time and again: think Bristol City last season. Think Hull. Kicking up a stink now does nothing. Kicking up a stink next week too starts to make a difference. Then the same the week after. In truth, I hate that it's something I think we need to do. But officials don't help themselves. They don't do what they should actually do. They don't book the players who pile pressure onto them and give into them far too easily. They don't own up to mistakes after the fact, which would help both clubs and officials: imagine the difference it would make if an official who made a mistake and had got some serious stick from a manager invited the manager up to the referee's room after giving half an hour of cool-down time, and actually talked through a decision-making process with the manager and reviewed footage so the pair could at the very least agree to disagree and shake hands, knowing what will be in the referee's report. If the manager is still hyped up, then put something in the report about misconduct. Doing that would help to defuse situations on the touchline too: a manager knows he'll have a good chance to speak to an official on sensible terms. But in the absence of that, putting pressure on officials is something we have to do. Respect hasn't worked; it's actively working against us. We might short-term get a few more cards, but in the long-term we would get far more decisions. |
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Post by 28901 on Sept 5, 2024 22:55:13 GMT 1
By my recollection Quy got the card for kicking the ball away to waste time as it went past him out of play ? If that had happened to a player on the field of play, it would have been a yellow. So why did Quy get a straight red ? I think it’s treated as a different offence (more severe) if done by a club official off the pitch. It came up on Sky sports ref watch after the south Wales derby, where the Cardiff boss refused to give Swansea the ball, even though play was dead because a player was down needing treatment. Dermott Gallagher mentioned it being a a straight red for the manager as per the rules. And was it? Was the Cardiff boss sent off? |
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Post by 28901 on Sept 5, 2024 22:59:08 GMT 1
Very contradicting post. Duff and Quay got disciplined for frustration towards a shit official. If the club appeal, .ore than likely bans get extended. The club will then also get fined if it they don't accept it and say enough is enough. Only one winner in regards to complaints and it isn't the club. Unless someone has the time to collate a presentation on all decisions against us over the last 3 seasons with evidence of why they were wrong, the FA would still do nothing. It's getting into heads. We're meek and mild and easy to charge and easy to ride roughshod over. Many other clubs have active, orchestrated tactics to play the officials - if an official gives a penalty against them, for example, he knows he'll get surrounded, and too many officials feel they can't then book and send players off for dissent in those circumstances; compare that to when one Town player (normally Sorba Thomas) complains. Instant booking, because it's easy to book one. In effect, those clubs who flout the rules most brazenly are the ones who get away with the most over time because officials are worried about giving decisions against them. They get more penalties, concede fewer, can do more to the opposition and gain an edge in tight fixtures. They get fewer suspensions as fewer of their players get booked and sent off. They get to play against ten men more. At critical times, they're more likely to get a decision in a key area. They shouldn't, but they do. We've seen it time and again: think Bristol City last season. Think Hull. Kicking up a stink now does nothing. Kicking up a stink next week too starts to make a difference. Then the same the week after. In truth, I hate that it's something I think we need to do. But officials don't help themselves. They don't do what they should actually do. They don't book the players who pile pressure onto them and give into them far too easily. They don't own up to mistakes after the fact, which would help both clubs and officials: imagine the difference it would make if an official who made a mistake and had got some serious stick from a manager invited the manager up to the referee's room after giving half an hour of cool-down time, and actually talked through a decision-making process with the manager and reviewed footage so the pair could at the very least agree to disagree and shake hands, knowing what will be in the referee's report. If the manager is still hyped up, then put something in the report about misconduct. Doing that would help to defuse situations on the touchline too: a manager knows he'll have a good chance to speak to an official on sensible terms. But in the absence of that, putting pressure on officials is something we have to do. Respect hasn't worked; it's actively working against us. We might short-term get a few more cards, but in the long-term we would get far more decisions. Thomas got booked for rightly not taking a corner and pointing out that the Hull player was 5 yards away. Sorba thought (as did I) Ms Welch was booking the Hull player. It was then I realised she hadn't a clue. Incredibly she got far worse. |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Sept 6, 2024 7:23:44 GMT 1
I think it’s treated as a different offence (more severe) if done by a club official off the pitch. It came up on Sky sports ref watch after the south Wales derby, where the Cardiff boss refused to give Swansea the ball, even though play was dead because a player was down needing treatment. Dermott Gallagher mentioned it being a a straight red for the manager as per the rules. And was it? Was the Cardiff boss sent off? Yes. |
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Post by 28901 on Sept 6, 2024 20:50:25 GMT 1
And was it? Was the Cardiff boss sent off? Yes. Can't argue then thanks. |
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Post by nickhtafc82 on Sept 7, 2024 11:27:28 GMT 1
It's getting into heads. We're meek and mild and easy to charge and easy to ride roughshod over. Many other clubs have active, orchestrated tactics to play the officials - if an official gives a penalty against them, for example, he knows he'll get surrounded, and too many officials feel they can't then book and send players off for dissent in those circumstances; compare that to when one Town player (normally Sorba Thomas) complains. Instant booking, because it's easy to book one. In effect, those clubs who flout the rules most brazenly are the ones who get away with the most over time because officials are worried about giving decisions against them. They get more penalties, concede fewer, can do more to the opposition and gain an edge in tight fixtures. They get fewer suspensions as fewer of their players get booked and sent off. They get to play against ten men more. At critical times, they're more likely to get a decision in a key area. They shouldn't, but they do. We've seen it time and again: think Bristol City last season. Think Hull. Kicking up a stink now does nothing. Kicking up a stink next week too starts to make a difference. Then the same the week after. In truth, I hate that it's something I think we need to do. But officials don't help themselves. They don't do what they should actually do. They don't book the players who pile pressure onto them and give into them far too easily. They don't own up to mistakes after the fact, which would help both clubs and officials: imagine the difference it would make if an official who made a mistake and had got some serious stick from a manager invited the manager up to the referee's room after giving half an hour of cool-down time, and actually talked through a decision-making process with the manager and reviewed footage so the pair could at the very least agree to disagree and shake hands, knowing what will be in the referee's report. If the manager is still hyped up, then put something in the report about misconduct. Doing that would help to defuse situations on the touchline too: a manager knows he'll have a good chance to speak to an official on sensible terms. But in the absence of that, putting pressure on officials is something we have to do. Respect hasn't worked; it's actively working against us. We might short-term get a few more cards, but in the long-term we would get far more decisions. Thomas got booked for rightly not taking a corner and pointing out that the Hull player was 5 yards away. Sorba thought (as did I) Ms Welch was booking the Hull player. It was then I realised she hadn't a clue. Incredibly she got far worse. And now she can teach others how not to understand the markings on the pitch. |
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 8, 2024 16:42:45 GMT 1
There comes a point where it just looks and feels vindictive, and this is it. Not content with costing us a fair chance at getting something out of the game, the ref then decides to push on with getting further punishment from his match report. I do think we’re a soft touch. I keep saying this and hope someone at the club picks up on it. I get being respectful, and that’s how it should be, but just taking it all on the chin is doing nothing for us at this point. We lost the game which we shouldn’t have. We had a man sent off, which we shouldn’t have. We said something about it, and two of our staff are now on FA charges for doing so. At some point the club has to turn around and say enough is enough. We’re going to push back. But no doubt we’ll accept the charges and the bans. I note we haven’t appealed the red card as we should have done. Too soft. Too accepting. Not good enough. How we rolled over and just accepted Fat John Moss’ fuckery in the PO final was pitiful really. Wish we would have made a giant fuss, but alas it’s consigned to history now and no-one will remember it except us. I think this the crux of it for me. I agree with Ward's sending off. It was a stupid challenge to make and the ref was right. Pearson's was maybe an orange card - and a pale orange at that. Maxwell was always favourite to get to that ball. Still, it was understandable that it would be a red, even if I personally think a yellow would be more appropriate. I can't say I have any great issue with any of the pens given against us. But the meek response to what looked for all the world like Moss & Tierney conspiring to ensure the correct result in the playoff final still sticks in the craw. We should have kicked up a right stink about that and we did fuck all. One thing that people didn't like about the Cowleys was something I think we should do more of - and that's putting pressure on officials to give decisions our way - before, during and after the game. That we are perhaps going the other way and complaining about harsh, but excusable decisions is a point in the right direction. |
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Post by utttrooper on Sept 8, 2024 16:50:09 GMT 1
How we rolled over and just accepted Fat John Moss’ fuckery in the PO final was pitiful really. Wish we would have made a giant fuss, but alas it’s consigned to history now and no-one will remember it except us. I think this the crux of it for me. I agree with Ward's sending off. It was a stupid challenge to make and the ref was right. Pearson's was maybe an orange card - and a pale orange at that. Maxwell was always favourite to get to that ball. Still, it was understandable that it would be a red, even if I personally think a yellow would be more appropriate. I can't say I have any great issue with any of the pens given against us. But the meek response to what looked for all the world like Moss & Tierney conspiring to ensure the correct result in the playoff final still sticks in the craw. We should have kicked up a right stink about that and we did fuck all. One thing that people didn't like about the Cowleys was something I think we should do more of - and that's putting pressure on officials to give decisions our way - before, during and after the game. That we are perhaps going the other way and complaining about harsh, but excusable decisions is a point in the right direction. TBF we got a decent number of pens in the cowley season which helped Grant statpad so we got more money for him which makes me agree with you |
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 8, 2024 23:43:13 GMT 1
I think this the crux of it for me. I agree with Ward's sending off. It was a stupid challenge to make and the ref was right. Pearson's was maybe an orange card - and a pale orange at that. Maxwell was always favourite to get to that ball. Still, it was understandable that it would be a red, even if I personally think a yellow would be more appropriate. I can't say I have any great issue with any of the pens given against us. But the meek response to what looked for all the world like Moss & Tierney conspiring to ensure the correct result in the playoff final still sticks in the craw. We should have kicked up a right stink about that and we did fuck all. One thing that people didn't like about the Cowleys was something I think we should do more of - and that's putting pressure on officials to give decisions our way - before, during and after the game. That we are perhaps going the other way and complaining about harsh, but excusable decisions is a point in the right direction. TBF we got a decent number of pens in the cowley season which helped Grant stats so we got more money for him which makes me agree with you Yep. People saying "It was embarrassing". Not to me, it wasn't. And even if it had been, ÂŁ15M for Karlan Grant helped to soothe the shame. Would we have got that if he'd not got any pens? I'm far more embarrassed that we seemed to meekly know our place after being (literally!) robbed at Wembley. |
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Post by huddshroom on Sept 9, 2024 10:15:48 GMT 1
Surely Quy's should have been a yellow card? Barely did anything
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