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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Sept 28, 2024 15:01:09 GMT 1
Without meaning to add fuel to the fire, I see all the usual vitriol aimed at KN, but how is JE getting off scot free in all this? The persistent presence and cock-ups of Cartwright lie just as much at his door (if not even more so) as they do at KN's.
Is he ultimately not the man who is supposed to be advising KN?
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Sept 28, 2024 15:03:20 GMT 1
I think Jake Edwards is someone who probably comes out scot-free in this regardless to be fair. HOWEVER, he needs to put his pants on and do his role and tell KN how it really is.
No more protecting the fraudster MC.
Jake needs to be ruthless.
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Post by royrace on Sept 28, 2024 15:06:35 GMT 1
I think we just forget who he is, keeps his head down doesn't he. We're thinking it's Kevin's job to see sense and get rid of the DoF but it's actually Edward's job. Plus he's supposed to be a football man. Hard to chuck your mate under the bus though so won't happen. Another reason he should never have employed those two.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Sept 28, 2024 15:07:47 GMT 1
I think we just forget who he is, keeps his head down doesn't he. We're thinking it's Kevin's job to see sense and get rid of the DoF but it's actually Edward's job. Plus he's supposed to be a football man. Hard to chuck your mate under the bus though so won't happen. Another reason he should never have employed those two. I suppose its the price KN pays for being so public. He's made himself an easy target. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Sept 28, 2024 15:10:44 GMT 1
Without meaning to add fuel to the fire, I see all the usual vitriol aimed at KN, but how is JE getting off scot free in all this? The persistent presence and cock-ups of Cartwright lie just as much at his door (if not even more so) as they do at KN's. Is he ultimately not the man who is supposed to be advising KN? Do you think Edwards runs the football side of things or is that Cartwright's responsibility ? |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Sept 28, 2024 15:11:13 GMT 1
I think we just forget who he is, keeps his head down doesn't he. We're thinking it's Kevin's job to see sense and get rid of the DoF but it's actually Edward's job. Plus he's supposed to be a football man. Hard to chuck your mate under the bus though so won't happen. Another reason he should never have employed those two. I suppose its the price KN pays for being so public. He's made himself an easy target. Learnt his lesson far too late on this one unfortunately. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Sept 28, 2024 15:14:05 GMT 1
Without meaning to add fuel to the fire, I see all the usual vitriol aimed at KN, but how is JE getting off scot free in all this? The persistent presence and cock-ups of Cartwright lie just as much at his door (if not even more so) as they do at KN's. Is he ultimately not the man who is supposed to be advising KN? Do you think Edwards runs the football side of things or is that Cartwright's responsibility ? No of course he doesn't, but I never said he did. You might want to read my post again. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Sept 28, 2024 15:32:24 GMT 1
Well you seem to be suggesting that Edwards has responsibility for Cartwright's cock ups. Therefore he must be responsible for the football side of things ?
Edwards job is to run the football club and Cartwright the football side of things.
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Post by Terriersmad on Sept 28, 2024 15:44:14 GMT 1
Well you seem to be suggesting that Edwards has responsibility for Cartwright's cock ups. Therefore he must be responsible for the football side of things ? Edwards job is to run the football club and Cartwright the football side of things. Edwards very much in charge of money, expanding revenues, etc. |
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Post by Dan on Sept 28, 2024 15:46:35 GMT 1
Patiently waiting for someone to point the finger at Domenic Notarfrancesco for our 3 defeats in a row.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 28, 2024 16:24:52 GMT 1
Edwards wont sack Carthourse because they're mates as well as colleagues.
It'll have to be Nagle's decision if either get the boot.
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Post by royrace on Sept 28, 2024 17:01:53 GMT 1
Patiently waiting for someone to point the finger at Domenic Notarfrancesco for our 3 defeats in a row. Yeah at least the globalisation of the brand is going well. |
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Post by royrace on Sept 28, 2024 17:04:26 GMT 1
Well you seem to be suggesting that Edwards has responsibility for Cartwright's cock ups. Therefore he must be responsible for the football side of things ? Edwards job is to run the football club and Cartwright the football side of things. Edwards very much in charge of money, expanding revenues, etc. He's CEO therefore he's responsible for everything. You wouldn't know it though and he's not going to sack his mate. They'll hang on in there until Nagle wakes up and sacks one or both. |
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Post by iangreaves on Sept 28, 2024 17:08:29 GMT 1
Well you seem to be suggesting that Edwards has responsibility for Cartwright's cock ups. Therefore he must be responsible for the football side of things ? Edwards job is to run the football club and Cartwright the football side of things. Edwards runs the club. Presumably he appointed Cartwright. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Sept 28, 2024 17:33:58 GMT 1
Well you seem to be suggesting that Edwards has responsibility for Cartwright's cock ups. Therefore he must be responsible for the football side of things ? Edwards job is to run the football club and Cartwright the football side of things. Edwards runs the club. Presumably he appointed Cartwright. Did he ? |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Sept 28, 2024 17:35:52 GMT 1
Edwards very much in charge of money, expanding revenues, etc. He's CEO therefore he's responsible for everything. You wouldn't know it though and he's not going to sack his mate. They'll hang on in there until Nagle wakes up and sacks one or both. What makes you think he is his mate rather than just a work colleague? |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 28, 2024 17:38:46 GMT 1
He's CEO therefore he's responsible for everything. You wouldn't know it though and he's not going to sack his mate. They'll hang on in there until Nagle wakes up and sacks one or both. What makes you think he is his mate rather than just a work colleague? Cartrwright said they were mates in an interview. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Sept 28, 2024 17:42:06 GMT 1
I can't say I ever heard that but fair enough if so.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Sept 28, 2024 18:33:20 GMT 1
Well you seem to be suggesting that Edwards has responsibility for Cartwright's cock ups. Therefore he must be responsible for the football side of things ? Edwards job is to run the football club and Cartwright the football side of things. Again, I think you've missed the point. I'm acutely aware of the responsibilities of a CEO, and the responsibilities of a DoF. The point I'm making, is that given JE is essentially MC's boss, he has to shoulder some responsibility for the fact that MC is still in a job, despite the fact he keeps getting it completely wrong. I'm not suggesting for one second that JE has direct input in what happens on the pitch. I can't really put it any clearer than that. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Sept 28, 2024 18:36:14 GMT 1
Edwards runs the club. Presumably he appointed Cartwright. Did he ? Who do you think appointed him? Terry the terrier? |
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Post by nicovaesen on Sept 28, 2024 18:41:40 GMT 1
When will we wake up these absolute freeloaders saw Nagle coming. He knows nothing about English football and has a fuck ton of money so of course all of them are cronies milking it for what it’s worth until they get the boot. Otherwise if they were any good they’d be higher up the football pyramid. They did the same with other clubs and we were warned. If Mr Nagle is as genuine as he says he is I hope someone with a connection to the club informs him from the heart the way to go. Ever since we got into the greedy league vultures and vermin have circulars this decaying corpse. And the only mugs to suffer are the fans going week in week out who they continue to exploit! Rant over. Until brum do us 8-0
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Post by katiemterrier27 on Sept 28, 2024 18:50:28 GMT 1
Without meaning to add fuel to the fire, I see all the usual vitriol aimed at KN, but how is JE getting off scot free in all this? The persistent presence and cock-ups of Cartwright lie just as much at his door (if not even more so) as they do at KN's. Is he ultimately not the man who is supposed to be advising KN? Good point and most fans can see it's not going to plan. I say most because the others will still be moaning about bed wetters when were in the Northern Premier League. "there's none so blind as those who will not see" |
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Post by SacTown on Sept 28, 2024 19:00:50 GMT 1
Patiently waiting for someone to point the finger at Domenic Notarfrancesco for our 3 defeats in a row. Yeah at least the globalisation of the brand is going well. We are known world wide for being sh!t ! |
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Post by SacTown on Sept 28, 2024 19:02:48 GMT 1
I can't say I ever heard that but fair enough if so. The three of them are thick as thieves (Jake, Mark, Dom) |
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Post by dugnet on Sept 28, 2024 19:21:55 GMT 1
On one hand as fans we are always likely to take a critical view of things. Those in charge are likely to take, what they would describe as, a more rounded view ie progress against targets they have set for themselves.
That might be how an Edwards would explain things but there can be no getting away from the fact that what we are seeing on the pitch is, at the very best frustrating.
Although the targets I elude to have not been publicly stated Mr Nagle has said the promotion this season is the aim. Even allowing for some encouraging elements this season none of us can be convinced that we are anywhere near on track to achieve that aim. As such you would hope the decision makers are suitably candid about our position.
It should not be forgotten that the Nagle era, and his team, have had pretty much 18 months to establish themselves and move the club in a new direction. As it stands tonight they would struggle to convince me that they have done this.
As the buck, in the UK, stops with Edwards he needs to own that transition and moreover the failure to deliver significant improvements.
I'm sure that the internal conversations will be about; "holding our nerve" and/or "trusting the process". However every poor result and week where performances are still, at best, inconsistent the questions over competence and ownership will increase.
You can only bluster for so long before people realise the emperors new clothes are pretty unsubstantial.
Edwards needs to get a grip of his responsibilities or expect more questions.
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Post by Up the Duff. on Sept 28, 2024 20:33:23 GMT 1
Who do you think appointed him? Terry the terrier? Nagle |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Sept 28, 2024 20:39:23 GMT 1
Well you seem to be suggesting that Edwards has responsibility for Cartwright's cock ups. Therefore he must be responsible for the football side of things ? Edwards job is to run the football club and Cartwright the football side of things. Again, I think you've missed the point. I'm acutely aware of the responsibilities of a CEO, and the responsibilities of a DoF. The point I'm making, is that given JE is essentially MC's boss, he has to shoulder some responsibility for the fact that MC is still in a job, despite the fact he keeps getting it completely wrong. I'm not suggesting for one second that JE has direct input in what happens on the pitch. I can't really put it any clearer than that. One links to the other and you are fuelling the fire. What are we supposed to do ? blame everyone who holds any responsibility whatsoever and fire everyone ? Keep throwing the petrol on. How about we give them some time and see how we get on this season. If it turns to shit then start asking questions about everyone who has played a part. |
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Post by iangreaves on Sept 28, 2024 20:46:31 GMT 1
Again, I think you've missed the point. I'm acutely aware of the responsibilities of a CEO, and the responsibilities of a DoF. The point I'm making, is that given JE is essentially MC's boss, he has to shoulder some responsibility for the fact that MC is still in a job, despite the fact he keeps getting it completely wrong. I'm not suggesting for one second that JE has direct input in what happens on the pitch. I can't really put it any clearer than that. One links to the other and you are fuelling the fire. What are we supposed to do ? blame everyone who holds any responsibility whatsoever and fire everyone ? Keep throwing the petrol on. How about we give them some time and see how we get on this season. If it turns to shit then start asking questions about everyone who has played a part. Isn't that what we did last season. Edwards said we were getting rid of Warnock from a position of strength and the club's managerial team subsequently got us relegated. Our recent form shows no sign of improvement. We could be headed for the fourth division. |
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Post by isitjustme on Sept 28, 2024 20:52:55 GMT 1
Mates or not, if Cartwright is the problem, and Edwards doesn't advise Nagle as such, then his own position is at stake. I would look after myself first if I was him.....!!!
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Post by katiemterrier27 on Sept 28, 2024 21:07:26 GMT 1
One links to the other and you are fuelling the fire. What are we supposed to do ? blame everyone who holds any responsibility whatsoever and fire everyone ? Keep throwing the petrol on. How about we give them some time and see how we get on this season. If it turns to shit then start asking questions about everyone who has played a part. Isn't that what we did last season. Edwards said we were getting rid of Warnock from a position of strength and the club's managerial team subsequently got us relegated. Our recent form shows no sign of improvement. We could be headed for the fourth division. I think there is something seriously wrong with Edwards logic, getting rid from a position of strength, so who got them to that position. The fact some so-called fans applauded Edwards just shows they are as clueless as the management. |
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