Ritchie Situation: Sack Him or Back Him?

[LordyOfTheManor]

many suggestions for Ritchie to be axed after what has been so far another disappointing season.

suggestions would be most welcome.

my personal opinion is that he should be given more by the board and i don't mean plying staff. i mean coaching staff. you can some of the best players in the world in the same side, but if the coaching or tactics aren't up to it, they are most certainly going to fail. and before anything says anything, i know this is the job of the manager, but let me ask you these questions then.

How Many Managers In The Football League Do NOT Have An Assistant Manager?
How Many Managers Have To Work With Coaching Staff Left By The Previous Manager?
And How Many Managers Have Ken 'Deep Pockets' Davy To Work With?

if your answers are anything besides NONE, i know you'll be lying.

SUPPORT THE MANAGER!!!

[jackosgal]

Agree with all of the above.

If AR can get his own staff in and that doesn't work either, then I will start to doubt his ability. While he only has Dungheap & Bootboy to help the situations bleak (didn't see PJ busting a gut to take them to Lincoln).

[Nickhudds.UTT]

agree totally, bootboy and dungpile are just not good enough, if we bring a more proven coach to work with ritchie I think we will do better.

[LordyOfTheManor]

i reckon we need four/five positions that need changing at the club.

1. new coaching staff - booty and dungheap please just go.
2. new head scout - where are all the talented young players?
3. new head youth developer (or whatever you call it) - mr murphy is a good guy, buy this ideas are in the past. i mean look at arsenal (i know we're not as big) they look at players to a specific type. they're all great at passing, moving and have natural pace.
4. new assistant manager - a manager cannot do everything, regardless of what some people may some
5. new chairman - self-explanatory really.

only 1, 4 and 5 would ensure ritchie we'll be able to his job to the best of his ability. which will be of a good standard if people were a little more understanding

[jimmymac1964]

TO BE QUITE HONEST i dont know what to think,,,,,,,its a comedy season so far,,,,,,beat swansea away,,,lost at home to orient we were the better team.....we are the most inconsistant team in the land.....never mind eh,,,,,WE ALL STILL LOVE EM NO MATTER WHAT,,,,,TTID

[LordyOfTheManor]

inconsistency and lack of organisation boils down to the manager. but if that manager can get barnsley up into the championship, he can do it here. like i've said, he NEEDS an assistant manager.

[andyhudd]

lordofthemanor said:

inconsistency and lack of organisation boils down to the manager. but if that manager can get barnsley up into the championship, he can do it here. like i've said, he NEEDS an assistant manager.

We're both Student Terriers now! I agree - Ritchie needs to bring his own ass man in, one he knows and trusts.

[LordyOfTheManor]

we're level pegging now. play-offs here we come!

[Deleted]

Bloody hell i know things aren't great but bringing in his own Ass man Might be a step too far for most Town Fans.

[LordyOfTheManor]

maverikk said:

Bloody hell i know things aren't great but bringing in his own Ass man Might be a step too far for most Town Fans.

why would it? are we simply just going to keep getting in managers until to find that someone who can get us up. it would be cheaper probably for davy long-term to get in an assistant manager for ritchie. if he won't back him, then let's find a new manager, although this will simply be papering over the cracks.

[chris164]

I'm not sure on this one. We have seen some good performances under Ritchie this season but for some games we haven't even looked like as if we cared, which is the most upsetting thing about watching Town. We were the better team in the 1st half but that doesn't mean we should have stood down in the 2nd.
Like I did with Jacko last year, I'll give him til Feb and see what he's allowed to get in the transfer market.

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I do find it quite funny though that a few weeks ago a few of us on here were wnting him to be manange rof the month... Ah well, that's football I guess.

[michelotti]

Zooooooommmmmmmm!!!!!!!!

LOTM : "What as that" ?


MAV: "Sarcasm mate"

;D

[Scott Chegg]

lol at lordofthemanor!

What if the Ass Man was Mr Slave from South Park?

Surely you'd agree that would be a negative influence??

[panasonicgeese]

Bloody hell! First time I have logged om today and we have a sack AR debate going on.

AR needs time, he is building a decent team as we can see by Cadders, Malvin, Robbie and hopefully Jevo and Wally signing permanent. We have loads of players out of contract at the end of the season and this will AR a chance to bring in more of the players he wants. KD seems to be backing AR to some degree, remember that Stuart Elliott was chased as a loanee even whilst the Jevo deal was being struck.

IMO the team is not fit enough and have looked this way all season and AR needs his own people in as its some of the backroom staff that are the problem.

This season we will finish high table but not play-offs. Next season we will be challenging!

[LordyOfTheManor]

sorry mate. didn't latch on.

don't mean to criticize fellow town fans, but if it was up to them, we'll already be on our third possibly fourth manager this season.

it's true things haven't gone according to plan this season so far, but sacking the guy wouldn't be the answer. we're always looking for the quick-fix instead of examining the real problems at the club and by doing this, the problems come up time and time again and we are all just continue wondering what the problem is.

[LordyOfTheManor]

i started this board only because of three reasons.

1. to get everyone else's opinions
2. to try to my point across.
3. reading other boards, people are already thinking about sacking the guy.

it's not the answer as i've said before. what's the link between end of jacko's reign and this reign under ritchie.

1. the players - the same guys who almost got us promoted.
2. the chairman - we're stuck with him.
3. the coaching staff - that's the answer!!!

[panasonicgeese]

The problem in football is that its become a hire em and fire em mentality now!

Ferguson would not have been given the time now that he was allowed back in 1989/90 when under fire till Mark Robins started the cup run.

Now I am not saying that in 9 years time AR will have us in the Champs League final but he needs a full season at least to develop his squad. We will challenge for promotion but I see it being in our centenary year, not this one!

By the way LOTM I did not interpret your thread as a sack AR thred but the starting point in a healthy debate. Thats one of the ideas why these boards exist.

[LordyOfTheManor]

onedarrenbullock said:

lol at lordofthemanor!

What if the Ass Man was Mr Slave from South Park?

Surely you'd agree that would be a negative influence??

maybe not. may scare the players into playing for the club ;D.

another thing - south park is nowadays sh*t! seasons 3 to 7 were classic. i'll stick with my family guy thankverymuch!

[LordyOfTheManor]

panasonicgeese said:

By the way LOTM I did not interpret your thread as a sack AR thred but the starting point in a healthy debate. Thats one of the ideas why these boards exist.

i know you didn't, but i thought just to give other people obviously a say on what they think. even though if they disagree with my opinion they are wrong ;D

[LordyOfTheManor]

this guy has the right idea though.

www.huddersfield.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=92514

[Deleted]

You're at it again LOTM...Why 'Paper over the cracks' whats wrong with them cracks (Cheers Mich..We must have a pint some time!!)

[panasonicgeese]

Good link LOTM the guy speaks some sense although I think the ageing strikeforce maybe inaccurate as Jevo/Cadders are both at the prime strikers age. IMO this is Boothy's last playing season and I can see LB being moved on, maybe even in January!

[thomo]

I agree, back him first.

I doubt that we'll see new coaching staff though. I think at the very most, we'll see some sort of long term deals for Jevons & Wallwork plus perhaps another addition to the playing staff.

If the rumours of AH going to fund this team building come January so be it. I think the guy is vastly overrated anyway. He's terrible at full back and though improving in midfield, I think worthy is the better player to accompany Wallwork.

That said, I'm not sure Wallwork is the answer anyway. Are we kidding ourselves into thinking he's better than he really is based on his pedigree? He's here for a reason afterall.

[LordyOfTheManor]

i've been drinking... heavily :-)

apologies if my comments are being misinterperated by some on this board. my point is that there are problems at the club that go pass those on the field of play. if we don't address them, how can we expect to see our team challenge for promotion.

[LordyOfTheManor]

panasonicgeese said:

I can see LB being moved on, maybe even in January!

i totally agree. i think he is still a good striker, but the way we play at town were not giving him the kind of service he was given at oldham or stockport. whether he has lost some of his prowess infront of goal since joining town reminds to be seen

[panasonicgeese]

I dont think he has lost his prowess, its more the type of system we play and the speed of attack. If Cadders had LB's finishing ability he would be in double figures this season. Where ever LB ends up next will see the goals return.

Lok at Billy Sharp, I know he has moved upto the Championship now but as a natural goalscorer you dont suddenly become crap. Its the system that Robson plays that gives Sharp problems.

By the way I was born in Hull so where abouts do you live LOTM? My dad was a KR fan so never had any feelings for the Tigers as the Old Craven Park was where I went with my dad, it was my Uncle taking me to Old Trafford every other week in the 70's and 80's that got me keen on football.

I got a huge soft spot for Town about 6 years ago and have had season tickets for kids & I ever since. I still watch United even now but only go if my many Manc mates have spare tickets and have never missed a Town game at home even when the KO's have clashed with Utd's. Bit of an unwritten rule in the house is that!

[LordyOfTheManor]

yeah i agree. that's why he hasn't scored as many goals as would have hoped at town. that and it doesn't help playing high balls to a guy (LB) who can't jump.

the defenders maybe confused thinking it's boothy.

my idea give LB a blue wig to wear. No confusion then. (hopefully :-))

[Scott Chegg]

lordofthemanor said:

onedarrenbullock said:

lol at lordofthemanor!

What if the Ass Man was Mr Slave from South Park?

Surely you'd agree that would be a negative influence??

maybe not. may scare the players into playing for the club ;D.

another thing - south park is nowadays sh*t! seasons 3 to 7 were classic. i'll stick with my family guy thankverymuch!

No way lotm!

Agree that there was a dry patch with South Park but it's firing on all cylinders again now.

Headlice episode (think it was series 11) was up there with "Scott Tenorman Must Die" in the brilliance stakes.

Re Family Guy, just started to get into this about 3 months ago. 1st month was an ordeal, frankly.

However I was advised to persevere and am starting to warm to it.

Humour a bit too cliched and unoriginal though I must say (Peter Griffin is Homer Simpson, basically) but as I say, there's something in it that keeps me switching back on.

Give me I'm Alan Partridge above almost everything else I still say. Timeless classic.

[LordyOfTheManor]

agreed about family guy being unoriginal, but that's what i like about it. it gets the best characters from other shows and tries to emulate them.

family guy is certainly NOT original or clever, but it still makes me laugh.

[C.H]

not a chance give ritchie another year