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Post by ivoryman on Apr 9, 2010 21:53:28 GMT 1
I love it how when Mr Jarvis appears all the critics suddenly go scuttling under the carpet, just waiting for the dust to settle and they will be out in force again.
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Post by keepmoving on Apr 9, 2010 21:57:59 GMT 1
nowt wrong with criticism at all....
would you rather everyone be a nodding dog?
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Post by ivoryman on Apr 9, 2010 22:04:57 GMT 1
nowt wrong with criticism at all.... would you rather everyone be a nodding dog? No i just find it amusing. People complaining about how the club is 'alienating' supporters, and how they are being treated poorly in recent months over stewarding, season tickets and vuvuzelas etc, then Mr Jarvis appears and you have a chance to tell him of your complaints and air your grievances to him. Then suddenly you hear nothing apart from 'your doing a great job Sean' (which i believe he is). But then when Jarvis has gone, we will get the usual dramatic posts about the club treating supporters like they are idiots, merely customers, etc, and claiming how they are being discriminated against. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2010 22:07:11 GMT 1
nowt wrong with criticism at all.... would you rather everyone be a nodding dog? No i just find it amusing. People complaining about how the club is 'alienating' supporters, and how they are being treated poorly in recent months over stewarding, season tickets and vuvuzelas etc, then Mr Jarvis appears and you have a chance to tell him of your complaints and air your grievances to him. Then suddenly you hear nothing apart from 'your doing a great job Sean' (which i believe he is). But then when Jarvis has gone, we will get the usual dramatic posts about the club treating supporters like they idiots, customers, etc. yes but us well done mr jarvis creeps have nt been moaning about it.its the moaners not the creeps who vanish  ;D |
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Post by ivoryman on Apr 9, 2010 22:18:21 GMT 1
No i just find it amusing. People complaining about how the club is 'alienating' supporters, and how they are being treated poorly in recent months over stewarding, season tickets and vuvuzelas etc, then Mr Jarvis appears and you have a chance to tell him of your complaints and air your grievances to him. Then suddenly you hear nothing apart from 'your doing a great job Sean' (which i believe he is). But then when Jarvis has gone, we will get the usual dramatic posts about the club treating supporters like they idiots, customers, etc. yes but us well done mr jarvis creeps have nt been moaning about it.its the moaners not the creeps who vanish ;D That was my initial point Fitzy: the moaners vanish :nodding: hence leaving only the 'nodding dogs' (myself included :iconlol: ) left to comment. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2010 23:37:46 GMT 1
yes but us well done mr jarvis creeps have nt been moaning about it.its the moaners not the creeps who vanish ;D That was my initial point Fitzy: the moaners vanish  hence leaving only the 'nodding dogs' (myself included  ) left to comment. yea i know.i even sent him a creepy pm.think i ll regret that tomorrow :shake: this hoegardens rate tackle :spaz: |
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 10, 2010 0:38:05 GMT 1
Visiting teams dont get intimidated much by the fans capn - they get intimidated by the quality of players on show, and unfortunately like all commercial businesses we can only buy what we can afford eventually so its dean and smj's job to maximise commercial revenues to allow the funds he has set aside to invest in the club to last as long as possible giving us the best chance of success. They havent got everything right, and have said publicly as much but if its a choice of the current regime or a return to messrs davy and taylor then its not a difficult one!!! Atmospheres are created by the players performing just as much as any end they sit in - old trafford was rocking for half an hour on wed night when things looked good, an hour or so later and it was like a morgue and they have the biggest fan base in the country!! Be very careful what some of you wish for guys - the current owner for all his newly found wealth, is not about to pump millions and millions in to make it a cheap, atmospheric experience for everyone - football is now very much a business and we the customers will have to do our part to contribute to its ongoing improvement and success, as there is no future relying on a wealthy benefactor permanently. An intimidating atmosphere can have a massive effect on visiting teams and really help the home side. Its like the old saying about the crowd being the 12th man. I hope bro's right and eventually when dean hoyle has clawed back a lot of the clubs power that were handed out elsewhere, they take a serious look at this south stand issue as it is just not right that we are probably the only club in the country without anything you could call 'an end'. Theyve said in the past what an advantage this can be to the team so we know they are aware. But to me, that just makes the decision to make the entire FM stand a 'family stand' even more bizarre. That could have been 'an end' but theyve gone out of their way to stop it.  What gets the atmosphere going is the same as what encourages kids to want to support the club- winning football. None of this family club business or family stands that seem so important these days makes a jot of difference compared to winning football. I really don't see the need. If parents are concerned about their little johnny hearing some bad language then theres plenty of areas in the stadium where he's very unlikely to hear anything too bad, without the need for an entire stand to be designated 'family' When we ( and I include Dean hoyle in this as hes roughly the same age) started going as kids with our dads or uncles or whatever, we didn't need a 'family area' with bloody clowns and trumpets and a man in a dog costume. We didn't need to be sheltered from bad language. Or the whiff of fag smoke. Or pissing up against a brick wall in the rain. When you're a kid whats appealling IS all that stuff!! Unless kids have changed dramatically, i find it hard to believe your average 7 or 8 year old lad would get as excited by todays 'family activity experience' than we did back in those days, and especially not the slightly older kids compared to us at the same age bouncing round in the cowshed!! But its the football on the pitch that got you wanting to come back and the GENUINE, UN-MANUFACTURED atmosphere that that sparks. That'll be what gets the kids hooked as lifelong fans, not any of this 'family' stuff. |
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Post by seanyd1brit on Apr 10, 2010 1:06:53 GMT 1
The fact that SMJ comes on here and makes posts like the above says it all. Let's not lose sight of the fact that we are lucky to have management who is willing to get out in front of us and explain things. People are entitled to criticise anything they disagree with, but there will always be mistakes and things to improve and it doesn't mean people aren't trying to do the right thing. Fortunately I trust this management team to do what's necessary for the good of the club. And I've never been able to say that about Town before.
It sounds like the big issues are not being lost on them either. I can't wait for the day when Town have their shares back and are filling the South Stand every week. We as fans must keep fighting for it, but also realise that the people in charge of our club are on our side!
And that's something to be proud of!
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Post by andyeastleake on Apr 10, 2010 7:24:05 GMT 1
I love it how when Mr Jarvis appears all the critics suddenly go scuttling under the carpet, just waiting for the dust to settle and they will be out in force again. Or alternatively they were simply not logged on the time Sorry SMJ I'm not convinced by your answer. "As for the marketing of the season ticket early bird then on reflection maybe we would have done things slightly differently but we are where we are and we move on. Next season it may be different." It doesn't seem you accept the club made a mistake (maybe they did maybe they didn't) & nor is there even a hint of an apology. TBH I don't think your answer is how customers should be responded to never mind supporters. IMHO the club could hardly have handled the issue worse if they had tried. PS Apologies to "Playaz for shua" I will not be logged on much this weekend - I'm off to London shortly to support a Huddersfield business sorry the club. |
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Post by andyeastleake on Apr 10, 2010 7:33:53 GMT 1
I love it how when Mr Jarvis appears all the critics suddenly go scuttling under the carpet, just waiting for the dust to settle and they will be out in force again. Sorry I'm still angry by your stupid & completely unjustifiable observation. There has been a lot of sh*8te posted on DATM over the years but this now (even more so than comments saying Senior was better than Rabchubka or that Goodwin was a better right back than Holdsworth or that Ternent should have been given more time) is now (IMHO) "The worst post ever on DATM" |
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Post by bro600 on Apr 10, 2010 7:52:51 GMT 1
I love it how when Mr Jarvis appears all the critics suddenly go scuttling under the carpet, just waiting for the dust to settle and they will be out in force again. Or alternatively they were simply not logged on the time Sorry SMJ I'm not convinced by your answer. "As for the marketing of the season ticket early bird then on reflection maybe we would have done things slightly differently but we are where we are and we move on. Next season it may be different." It doesn't seem you accept the club made a mistake (maybe they did maybe they didn't) & nor is there even a hint of an apology. TBH I don't think your answer is how customers should be responded to never mind supporters. IMHO the club could hardly have handled the issue worse if they had tried. PS Apologies to "Playaz for shua" I will not be logged on much this weekend - I'm off to London shortly to support a Huddersfield business sorry the club. Without the business there is no club.! |
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Post by iangreaves on Apr 10, 2010 8:28:55 GMT 1
Now we've blown any chance of retaining the family club award by almost doubling kids ST prices in one go, is there a 'Least intimidating place for an away team to visit' award we can go for instead? I think we'd be in with a great shout! We provide a 4000 seater 'cop' behind the goal for away fans ,whether they bring 4000 or 40. We make the home section at the opposite end a nice cuddly family section where opposition players are 'intimidated' by family groups sat in their seats clapping and from now on blowing an annoying monotonous drone from a plastic trumpet. We employ stewards to stop just the home fans standing and woe betide any home fan who might want to  a flag or throw a bog roll on the pitch. We meekly accept it when the plod stop us playing on bank holidays where a bigger, dare I say 'boozier' atmosphere might be a risk. And then any home goal celebration is drowned out by some crappy pop musicHonestly, visiting teams must be bricking it at the thought of a visit to the Family Club of the year Stadium or whatever it'll be called next year. The bit that makes me cringe, Captain, is when they say "Today's first goal scorted by Jordan Rhodes sponsored by Micklethwaite's mushy peas", or something to that effect.  |
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Post by mids on Apr 10, 2010 11:10:58 GMT 1
To get this club back on track is a long journey, and many small steps.
Spotted one last night on Sky Sports.....Giants vs Castleford
They showed pics from inside the away dressing room and the walls have been painted the sh*ttiest shade of miserable brown
Not exactly inspiring and every little thing helps to unsettle the opposition
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2010 11:41:16 GMT 1
I love it how when Mr Jarvis appears all the critics suddenly go scuttling under the carpet, just waiting for the dust to settle and they will be out in force again. Or maybe many of us are too polite. The club has moved on greatly in the last two years and I welcome members of the HTFC hierachy coming on here. I feel the Upper FM season ticket issue was really badly handled, but wouldn't want to have a rant at SMJ, if I was on the message board at the same time as him. |
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Post by northwick on Apr 10, 2010 13:49:15 GMT 1
When we ( and I include Dean hoyle in this as hes roughly the same age) started going as kids with our dads or uncles or whatever, we didn't need a 'family area' with bloody clowns and trumpets and a man in a dog costume. We didn't need to be sheltered from bad language. Or the whiff of fag smoke. Or pissing up against a brick wall in the rain. When you're a kid whats appealling IS all that stuff!! Unless kids have changed dramatically, i find it hard to believe your average 7 or 8 year old lad would get as excited by todays 'family activity experience' than we did back in those days, and especially not the slightly older kids compared to us at the same age bouncing round in the cowshed!! But its the football on the pitch that got you wanting to come back and the GENUINE, UN-MANUFACTURED atmosphere that that sparks. That'll be what gets the kids hooked as lifelong fans, not any of this 'family' stuff. I don't often agree with what you say but my response to this is 'Yes.' I'm only 26 but I know that that as a kid the best bit was the roar, the edge, the very fact that my dad said 'we won't walk that way because...' at Maine Road. Not some fucking face paint! Worse thing is that if all this family nonsense pays off the next generation of town fans will be a load go-goody machines, programmed to clap when the scoreboard tells them to. I look forward to that... :shake: |
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Post by shawsie on Apr 10, 2010 22:12:58 GMT 1
Visiting teams dont get intimidated much by the fans capn - they get intimidated by the quality of players on show, and unfortunately like all commercial businesses we can only buy what we can afford eventually so its dean and smj's job to maximise commercial revenues to allow the funds he has set aside to invest in the club to last as long as possible giving us the best chance of success. They havent got everything right, and have said publicly as much but if its a choice of the current regime or a return to messrs davy and taylor then its not a difficult one!!! Atmospheres are created by the players performing just as much as any end they sit in - old trafford was rocking for half an hour on wed night when things looked good, an hour or so later and it was like a morgue and they have the biggest fan base in the country!! Be very careful what some of you wish for guys - the current owner for all his newly found wealth, is not about to pump millions and millions in to make it a cheap, atmospheric experience for everyone - football is now very much a business and we the customers will have to do our part to contribute to its ongoing improvement and success, as there is no future relying on a wealthy benefactor permanently. An intimidating atmosphere can have a massive effect on visiting teams and really help the home side. Its like the old saying about the crowd being the 12th man. I hope bro's right and eventually when dean hoyle has clawed back a lot of the clubs power that were handed out elsewhere, they take a serious look at this south stand issue as it is just not right that we are probably the only club in the country without anything you could call 'an end'. Theyve said in the past what an advantage this can be to the team so we know they are aware. But to me, that just makes the decision to make the entire FM stand a 'family stand' even more bizarre. That could have been 'an end' but theyve gone out of their way to stop it. What gets the atmosphere going is the same as what encourages kids to want to support the club- winning football. None of this family club business or family stands that seem so important these days makes a jot of difference compared to winning football. I really don't see the need. If parents are concerned about their little johnny hearing some bad language then theres plenty of areas in the stadium where he's very unlikely to hear anything too bad, without the need for an entire stand to be designated 'family' When we ( and I include Dean hoyle in this as hes roughly the same age) started going as kids with our dads or uncles or whatever, we didn't need a 'family area' with bloody clowns and trumpets and a man in a dog costume. We didn't need to be sheltered from bad language. Or the whiff of fag smoke. Or pissing up against a brick wall in the rain. When you're a kid whats appealling IS all that stuff!! Unless kids have changed dramatically, i find it hard to believe your average 7 or 8 year old lad would get as excited by todays 'family activity experience' than we did back in those days, and especially not the slightly older kids compared to us at the same age bouncing round in the cowshed!! But its the football on the pitch that got you wanting to come back and the GENUINE, UN-MANUFACTURED atmosphere that that sparks. That'll be what gets the kids hooked as lifelong fans, not any of this 'family' stuff. Much as i agree with the sentiment capn, i think we have to face facts that the football world has become a much more sanitised place where a mosh pit in the cowshed or the middle of the away terrace is now alien to the Health and Safety brigade who are petrified of the litigious culture we now live in. I like you spent many a happy afternoon in the shed swaying forward in the throng and casting envious eyes at lads leading the foul mouthed terrace chanting - unfortunately it doesnt work like that now. Its all facepaint, mascots and piped music when we score!!! Atmospheres at modern footy stadia will never be the same as the old ones because you arent tightly packed standing up in low roofed stands where the acoustics aid the noise - we have to accept that and move on. Even if we do get the South Stand as an "end", it is highly likely it will go the same sad way as the cowshed did once you couldnt move stands at half time - the side stands offer the best view and with our current support levels it is highly unlikely we will get enough wanting to relocate to behind the goal to make any real difference to the atmosphere week by week - players and performances dictacte atmospheres not the location of a stand. |
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Post by seanyd1brit on Apr 11, 2010 2:21:37 GMT 1
I disagree with that - the Cowshed was still a great place to be when you couldn't switch ends - and the view from the main stand was still better. (plus the view from the Cowshed was much worse than the view from the South Stand)
If we get the South Stand, people (of all ages) will gravitate to it just like we all did to the Cowshed.
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