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Post by offtopic on Jun 20, 2011 10:38:07 GMT 1
That's nice
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Post by Morning Norwood on Jun 20, 2011 10:39:59 GMT 1
I think if we can get that sort of money then it's good business. Pilks, although a great player has had a bad injury and who knows how he is going to play after that. Sometimes players can't shake off the memory and are never the same. Also, in reality, Pilks has been inconsistent and his forte' is mainly cutting in and shooting. His midfield work on the right doesn't always provide the right strength at key times in key areas. It may also mean that we are moving away from the 4-5-1 to 4-4-2 and with that we cannot afford to have 2 wide players leaving 2 midfielders against usually 3 or 4 opposing midfielders.
If we were in the championship I wouldn't sell, but we're not and he's maybe worth the sacrifice if we strengthen other key areas which enables us to get promotion this time.?
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Post by Colt Seavers on Jun 20, 2011 10:43:52 GMT 1
my point was in no circumstances are we just building for next season in the championship but over a long period of time with young hungry players who can help us in the top flight. I like Pilks, don't get me wrong, BUT, you can do a lot with £1.75 million and i think its a great offer for a player who we ain't sure how he will return post injury. We are not likely to see Pilks this side of Christmas and we could have signed 3-4 good players with that money and be well in command in the league by the time he comes back. Also i think a club like Norwich would be a good move for him. Fans on here are to quick to get emotionally tied to players and forget that Football is a business now and these guys are just commodities. I think it's less of a risk Norwich paying £1.75 million for him, than Town not cashing in and making use of the money we get.
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Post by Colt Seavers on Jun 20, 2011 10:44:56 GMT 1
I think if we can get that sort of money then it's good business. Pilks, although a great player has had a bad injury and who knows how he is going to play after that. Sometimes players can't shake off the memory and are never the same. Also, in reality, Pilks has been inconsistent and his forte' is mainly cutting in and shooting. His midfield work on the right doesn't always provide the right strength at key times in key areas. It may also mean that we are moving away from the 4-5-1 to 4-4-2 and with that we cannot afford to have 2 wide players leaving 2 midfielders against usually 3 or 4 opposing midfielders. If we were in the championship I wouldn't sell, but we're not and he's maybe worth the sacrifice if we strengthen other key areas which enables us to get promotion this time.? :appl: :appl: :appl: Somebody on here with a brain. A rare delight.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 10:46:35 GMT 1
1.75m, 10m or whatever... Pilks is irreplaceable for me. I don't think we'd be capable of unearthing another gem like him no matter how much money we get.
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Post by fredcarno on Jun 20, 2011 10:46:51 GMT 1
So where are the replacements going to come from if we lose most of our best players? Most players as good as Pilks either won't drop to this division or their clubs won't let them go. Best of look if you think we will get an athletic, geninuinely two footed player with the talent this lad has to drop to the third division.
I can cope with losing maybe Pelts and or Smithies, but Pilks is our best player by a country mile. He's always liable to get a goal or create something for someone even when not firing on all cylinders. Seeing him in a town shirt next season was one of the only things I was really looking fowards to next season, if he goes I will be gutted and I hope Clark has a bloody good replacement lined up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 10:50:59 GMT 1
my point was in no circumstances are we just building for next season in the championship but over a long period of time with young hungry players who can help us in the top flight. I like Pilks, don't get me wrong, BUT, you can do a lot with £1.75 million and i think its a great offer for a player who we ain't sure how he will return post injury. We are not likely to see Pilks this side of Christmas and we could have signed 3-4 good players with that money and be well in command in the league by the time he comes back. Also i think a club like Norwich would be a good move for him. Fans on here are to quick to get emotionally tied to players and forget that Football is a business now and these guys are just commodities. I think it's less of a risk Norwich paying £1.75 million for him, than Town not cashing in and making use of the money we get. It's sad but it's true... However, I'm not of the faith that LC will be able to identify and sign those 3-4 players. If he signs 10 he might get 3-4 right
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Post by skiptonterrier on Jun 20, 2011 10:51:48 GMT 1
Im amazed at how many would be quite for Pilks to go, we should keep our stars
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Post by Syran on Jun 20, 2011 10:52:42 GMT 1
my point was in no circumstances are we just building for next season in the championship but over a long period of time with young hungry players who can help us in the top flight. I like Pilks, don't get me wrong, BUT, you can do a lot with £1.75 million and i think its a great offer for a player who we ain't sure how he will return post injury. We are not likely to see Pilks this side of Christmas and we could have signed 3-4 good players with that money and be well in command in the league by the time he comes back. Also i think a club like Norwich would be a good move for him. Fans on here are to quick to get emotionally tied to players and forget that Football is a business now and these guys are just commodities. I think it's less of a risk Norwich paying £1.75 million for him, than Town not cashing in and making use of the money we get. We didnt do alot with the £2.5m from Stewart sale though did we?
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Post by Colt Seavers on Jun 20, 2011 10:54:23 GMT 1
1.75m, 10m or whatever... Pilks is irreplaceable for me. I don't think we'd be capable of unearthing another gem like him no matter how much money we get. eue Matty, i credit you with been one of the brighter posters on here, so don't tell me Pilks is irreplaceable. Do you think that we would be starting next season in a different league if Pilks had remained fit. If you say yes then i will believe you have been sniffing Bostick since 6 this morning. I get sick of fans on here saying how things might have been different if Johnson or Pilks would have remained fit. What a load of Bullshit. Players are like Racehorses they dip in and out of form and only the thoroughbreds remain at the top of their game. £1.75 million for a player who's future form has a massive question mark over it is good business. Half the season is going to be over by the time he comes back.
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Post by skiptonterrier on Jun 20, 2011 10:55:04 GMT 1
Sorry meant to say quite happy for Pilks to go
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Post by terrier17 on Jun 20, 2011 10:55:20 GMT 1
No player is irreplaceable or bigger than the club! If Hoyle and Clark see fit to sell then I have every faith in them to bring in a quality replacement to try get us out of this god forsaken league!! What will be will be,,, UTT!
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Post by Colt Seavers on Jun 20, 2011 10:58:00 GMT 1
I like Pilks, don't get me wrong, BUT, you can do a lot with £1.75 million and i think its a great offer for a player who we ain't sure how he will return post injury. We are not likely to see Pilks this side of Christmas and we could have signed 3-4 good players with that money and be well in command in the league by the time he comes back. Also i think a club like Norwich would be a good move for him. Fans on here are to quick to get emotionally tied to players and forget that Football is a business now and these guys are just commodities. I think it's less of a risk Norwich paying £1.75 million for him, than Town not cashing in and making use of the money we get. We didnt do alot with the £2.5m from Stewart sale though did we? 10 years ago Syran, another problem with Town fans they don't forget easily. We have different people at the helm now and while i'm still in the Jurys Out camp on Lee Clark, i pretty sure we have the right man in Deano.
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Post by skiptonterrier on Jun 20, 2011 10:58:36 GMT 1
Its also on the BBC website in the football gossip section that they have made a bid but of course this tittle tattle is only taken from the papers etc.
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Post by Colt Seavers on Jun 20, 2011 11:03:59 GMT 1
When people talk about replacements and how Irreplaceable Pilks is, how do we not know we haven't just made one of the shrewdest signings in football with Oscar Gobern. He is 20 unproven, but the reality is that this time next season we might be all shouting his name from the rooftops and have premiership teams knocking our door down for him.
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Post by pompeyterrier on Jun 20, 2011 11:05:49 GMT 1
I think if we can get that sort of money then it's good business. Pilks, although a great player has had a bad injury and who knows how he is going to play after that. Sometimes players can't shake off the memory and are never the same. Also, in reality, Pilks has been inconsistent and his forte' is mainly cutting in and shooting. His midfield work on the right doesn't always provide the right strength at key times in key areas. It may also mean that we are moving away from the 4-5-1 to 4-4-2 and with that we cannot afford to have 2 wide players leaving 2 midfielders against usually 3 or 4 opposing midfielders. If we were in the championship I wouldn't sell, but we're not and he's maybe worth the sacrifice if we strengthen other key areas which enables us to get promotion this time.? With the arrival of Woods and Gobern it looks likely that we are going to see the departure of Lee Peltier. So that's already a good cash injection right there. Pilkington however is different class and a very tough player to replace. He is a match winner, a goalscorer a great supplier and is going to get better with age and experience. He is exactly the sort of player that will get us out of this league. We already know that promotion for us means £10m, so is that promotion more likely or less likely with or without our best players? The answer is with, surely. So why not keep hold of him and aim for the big prize and if it all goes wrong we can STILL get similar money for him next year because he will still be under contract. If we gain promotion not only does his valuation rise but we possibly get to keep a quality player for another promotion push. As I say it's win win for us to hold out for a stupid offer. As for recovering from his injury I think Clark, Hoyle and the medical staff will all have examined him in training and will know exactly what his state is. If they feel he's a risk then I'm sure they'll do the right thing for the club and player but I don't doubt for one second that they won't know what his situation is.
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Post by skiptonterrier on Jun 20, 2011 11:05:49 GMT 1
You may be right Colt, and a few clubs were after him it seems
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 11:07:12 GMT 1
1.75m, 10m or whatever... Pilks is irreplaceable for me. I don't think we'd be capable of unearthing another gem like him no matter how much money we get. eue Matty, i credit you with been one of the brighter posters on here, so don't tell me Pilks is irreplaceable. Do you think that we would be starting next season in a different league if Pilks had remained fit. If you say yes then i will believe you have been sniffing Bostick since 6 this morning. I get sick of fans on here saying how things might have been different if Johnson or Pilks would have remained fit. What a load of Bullshit. Players are like Racehorses they dip in and out of form and only the thoroughbreds remain at the top of their game. £1.75 million for a player who's future form has a massive question mark over it is good business. Half the season is going to be over by the time he comes back. Maybe we could sign John Bostick from Spurs as his replacement ;D No I don't think he'd have made the difference... We had too many frailties in the centre of the park for me and still do. When you look back at Pilks in form - I don't see many players at this level who can do the things that he can do. Genuinely 2 footed, skillful, fantastic shot with both feet, corners, free kicks - he's superb when on form. He's scored some truly excellent goals from nothing and what maybe I should have said is... Pilks is one of the most talented players at this level, sure there are better and similar players out there but I don't see LC or HTFC being able to attract someone of that quality here. I know money talks and we'd have a lot more of it but I genuinely don't see where we'd get the next Pilks from and knowing our luck we're more likely to end up with the next Lionel Ainsworth... I take the point we could take 2m and improve all areas of the side which would compensate for his loss but for me we'd lose that little bit of magic that Pilks possesses and I don't think a club of our stature would find it easy to replace that... Hopefully I'd be wrong.
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Post by offtopic on Jun 20, 2011 11:08:16 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 11:08:22 GMT 1
1.75m, 10m or whatever... Pilks is irreplaceable for me. I don't think we'd be capable of unearthing another gem like him no matter how much money we get. eue Matty, i credit you with been one of the brighter posters on here, so don't tell me Pilks is irreplaceable. Do you think that we would be starting next season in a different league if Pilks had remained fit. If you say yes then i will believe you have been sniffing Bostick since 6 this morning. I get sick of fans on here saying how things might have been different if Johnson or Pilks would have remained fit. What a load of Bullshit. Players are like Racehorses they dip in and out of form and only the thoroughbreds remain at the top of their game. £1.75 million for a player who's future form has a massive question mark over it is good business. Half the season is going to be over by the time he comes back. So you think the fact that at pretty much any given point last season, having at least one of our key players injured didn't affect the outcome of our season? Think it's you that's been on the bostik lad.
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Post by skiptonterrier on Jun 20, 2011 11:08:46 GMT 1
Well said Sultan
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 11:23:34 GMT 1
my point was in no circumstances are we just building for next season in the championship but over a long period of time with young hungry players who can help us in the top flight. I like Pilks, don't get me wrong, BUT, you can do a lot with £1.75 million and i think its a great offer for a player who we ain't sure how he will return post injury. We are not likely to see Pilks this side of Christmas and we could have signed 3-4 good players with that money and be well in command in the league by the time he comes back. Also i think a club like Norwich would be a good move for him. Fans on here are to quick to get emotionally tied to players and forget that Football is a business now and these guys are just commodities. I think it's less of a risk Norwich paying £1.75 million for him, than Town not cashing in and making use of the money we get. Not likely to see him this side of Christmas? What the hell are you talking about?! He was injured near the start of March, He and LC even said before the P/O final that it was highly likely he'd be fit for the start of the season!
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Post by Captainchampo on Jun 20, 2011 11:25:47 GMT 1
Pilks has been my favourite player for the past two seasons and is undoubtebly the star player in our team. However I dont believe any player is irreplacable and if the money or deal is right we should sell. The price we get should be enough to replace him with Ward and also some more. If they really want him Deano should make them pay top end for sure.
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Post by BradfordTerrier on Jun 20, 2011 11:30:43 GMT 1
Pilks has been my favourite player for the past two seasons and is undoubtebly the star player in our team. However I dont believe any player is irreplacable and if the money or deal is right we should sell. The price we get should be enough to replace him with Ward and also some more. If they really want him Deano should make them pay top end for sure. No chance of Ward. He will be in Bolton squad for next season and if not pushing on in their side will be loaned to Championship minimum. I'd be amazed and delighted if he ended up back here.
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Post by skiptonterrier on Jun 20, 2011 11:33:19 GMT 1
I agree, as much as I would like to see Ward return, Coyle clearly has plans in his squad for next season for the lad
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 11:35:16 GMT 1
Pilks has been my favourite player for the past two seasons and is undoubtebly the star player in our team. However I dont believe any player is irreplacable and if the money or deal is right we should sell. The price we get should be enough to replace him with Ward and also some more. If they really want him Deano should make them pay top end for sure. We will not get Danny Ward. He's wanted by Bolton for next season. Try again
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Post by canarygordo on Jun 20, 2011 11:37:37 GMT 1
Hi canary fan in peace...I thought I would have a look round to see what you terrier fans thought of this latest bit of paper talk.
I was surprised as anybody to read that this morning, not saying anything bad about the player but league One is hardly going to be able to make a fast step up to the Prem, even more so someone who has been out a long while.
I can't remember if he played when we visited your place, (great stadium BTW and helpful people who were great for me and my mate both disabled)
I personally can't see this one, but Lambert has a canny knack of getting the absolute best out of a player, providing they are prepared to work. So it shouldn't surprise me really.
Add to that list Fox, Smith Surman and possibly scummer Bradley Johnson so he would have a bit of a battle. personall by the way Lambert has been talking no player is guaranteed a place, a level field for everyone he has said many times.
Not sure where you heard that about a view to relegation, excuse me for saying that a load of tosh, our manager,chairman and CEO are all targeting a second season, looking at around 17th spot as minium.
What he is doing is buying players for the future, to bed them into the club get them use to live in premiership ready for a regular place a little later. Now to me that is ambition and forward thinking; he will not buy the usual run of the mill premiership journey men, they command high wages, have no committment what so ever to the club, only the next pay master, believe me we have been there done that, and failed.
I am not saying we will stay up or hold our own, who the hell knows, the gap is Grand Canyon size and getting bigger, £40 million sounds alot to be given for players, but when a club has that amount for the first time, agents and other clubs rack up the prices, look at Mackail-Smith at peterbro, though we had signed him, only for them to crank it up by another 1.5 to 2 million becuase we were nearly promoted.
That 40 million would not buy one player at certain clubs, so how the hell are newly promoted clubs supposed to compete ? Others have tried like Hull, and are now suffering as they haven't the money coming in to pay for their mistakes (Jimmy Bullard just one case)
So in truth I think that bit about ambition is well off the mark. don't take it the wrong way, it is easy to say anything on a forum, I know I have been running mine for 10 years. But there is nowt like getting things from the area the club is and from the supporters who read and contribute to the media.
I don't proclaim to be in all the know about my club and even less about yours, we can't we are just ordinary supporters on the outside, but the true lifeblood of our clubs.
With that all said, what is the guy or should I say what was he like, not only skill levels but attitude is a major thing with Lambert.
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Post by Captainchampo on Jun 20, 2011 11:40:09 GMT 1
He's crap you dont want him.
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Post by ekembi on Jun 20, 2011 11:41:42 GMT 1
If he wants to go let him go, hopefully we could get ward straight replacement with the cash. Pilks may have the ability but mentaly after the injury it could affect his preformance you never know. I hope he stays tho
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jun 20, 2011 11:44:21 GMT 1
Hi canary fan in peace...I thought I would have a look round to see what you terrier fans thought of this latest bit of paper talk. I was surprised as anybody to read that this morning, not saying anything bad about the player but league One is hardly going to be able to make a fast step up to the Prem, even more so someone who has been out a long while. I can't remember if he played when we visited your place, (great stadium BTW and helpful people who were great for me and my mate both disabled) I personally can't see this one, but Lambert has a canny knack of getting the absolute best out of a player, providing they are prepared to work. So it shouldn't surprise me really. Add to that list Fox, Smith Surman and possibly scummer Bradley Johnson so he would have a bit of a battle. personall by the way Lambert has been talking no player is guaranteed a place, a level field for everyone he has said many times. Not sure where you heard that about a view to relegation, excuse me for saying that a load of tosh, our manager,chairman and CEO are all targeting a second season, looking at around 17th spot as minium. What he is doing is buying players for the future, to bed them into the club get them use to live in premiership ready for a regular place a little later. Now to me that is ambition and forward thinking; he will not buy the usual run of the mill premiership journey men, they command high wages, have no committment what so ever to the club, only the next pay master, believe me we have been there done that, and failed. I am not saying we will stay up or hold our own, who the hell knows, the gap is Grand Canyon size and getting bigger, £40 million sounds alot to be given for players, but when a club has that amount for the first time, agents and other clubs rack up the prices, look at Mackail-Smith at peterbro, though we had signed him, only for them to crank it up by another 1.5 to 2 million becuase we were nearly promoted. That 40 million would not buy one player at certain clubs, so how the hell are newly promoted clubs supposed to compete ? Others have tried like Hull, and are now suffering as they haven't the money coming in to pay for their mistakes (Jimmy Bullard just one case) So in truth I think that bit about ambition is well off the mark. don't take it the wrong way, it is easy to say anything on a forum, I know I have been running mine for 10 years. But there is nowt like getting things from the area the club is and from the supporters who read and contribute to the media. I don't proclaim to be in all the know about my club and even less about yours, we can't we are just ordinary supporters on the outside, but the true lifeblood of our clubs. With that all said, what is the guy or should I say what was he like, not only skill levels but attitude is a major thing with Lambert. You talk a lot of sense buddy. :appl: With regard to your questions at the end, ability - he has bags of it but it's largely still in the "potential" bracket. He can do lots of things very well, but probably needs to be tested at a higher level. As for attitude, can't really fault him. Not likely to cause trouble, just crack on with it. That said, I think it's a year too soon for him to go to the prem. He runs the risk of getting swallowed up and ending up being loaned out to the Chamionship, which is a more realistic level for him right now.
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