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Post by canarygordo on Jun 20, 2011 12:40:20 GMT 1
I didn't say Pilks was an average league one player, I said I didn't know much about, but am finding a few things aout. Clubs have limits for each league of roughly where to start. it is a game of cat and mouse, the seller wants as much as possible..the buyer wants as cheap as possible. thats where the limits and negoiations come into play.
I know little of Elliot Bennett, Brighton fans sung this guys praises from the top of Devil,s Dyke, I had his stats for the season to use to gauge things, we got him for less than we have supposedly started with Pilks... some of that must be down to him being injured for so long.
cheers for the tip ...I am going to hunt the you tube videos and see. but a player who can score a few and use both feet is up there for me, too many today can't and by the time they have thought about getting it onto their best foot, the chance is gone.
From what little I know at the moment I would go with your own clubs valuation with a decent addon on or two.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 12:40:23 GMT 1
Not likely to see him this side of Christmas? What the hell are you talking about?! He was injured near the start of March, He and LC even said before the P/O final that it was highly likely he'd be fit for the start of the season! If he is back any time before November i will give you the money myself. It's a deal :iconlol: :iconlol:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 12:43:32 GMT 1
Still not right wingers though... Donal McDermott....He's a LW too isn't he? Getting better... ;D
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Post by htfc4eva on Jun 20, 2011 12:43:50 GMT 1
I didn't say Pilks was an average league one player, I said I didn't know much about, but am finding a few things aout. Clubs have limits for each league of roughly where to start. it is a game of cat and mouse, the seller wants as much as possible..the buyer wants as cheap as possible. thats where the limits and negoiations come into play. I know little of Elliot Bennett, Brighton fans sung this guys praises from the top of Devil,s Dyke, I had his stats for the season to use to gauge things, we got him for less than we have supposedly started with Pilks... some of that must be down to him being injured for so long. cheers for the tip ...I am going to hunt the you tube videos and see. but a player who can score a few and use both feet is up there for me, too many today can't and by the time they have thought about getting it onto their best foot, the chance is gone. From what little I know at the moment I would go with your own clubs valuation with a decent addon on or two. its just that you said that your looking at average players prces for league 1. Anyway yes bennet is good seen him play a couple of times so im not too sure if hes prem quality, hope he is for you and hope you stay up and leeds stay where they are. But I really hope you dont take pilks away from us
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 12:45:34 GMT 1
So you think the fact that at pretty much any given point last season, having at least one of our key players injured didn't affect the outcome of our season? Think it's you that's been on the bostik lad. Yes i am absolutely certain if he had been 100% fit it wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference to our finishing position nor our play off final result. That isn't what I asked though is it? I'm not just talking about Pilkington, you also mentioned Johnson. As the central midfield looked so, so much more solid with Johnson in it, which would have undoubtedly saved us from throwing away so many leads in matches that resulted in draws. Yet you think losing these two key players at key moments in the season didn't effect the overall outcome? Absolute Madness
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Post by ritchie on Jun 20, 2011 12:48:59 GMT 1
i dont understand why people say 'snap their hand off' etc....we're not football chairman and its not our money. personally i'd rather we kept all our best players!! people seem more bothered about selling a player for a nice profit than keeping him and winning something. yes we would have a bit more money to spend but it means more player turnover again, with no guarantee they will be as good. madness. Wrong!! I'm concerned about getting out of this tin pot league and taking a risk on a player who isn't guaranteed to come back anywhere near as good as he was prior to his injury when we are been offered enough money to buy 4 quality players, is potentially a massive error. who is to say that the players we bring in aren't going to pick up injuries just as bad as pilks'? you want to get out of this league by selling our best player by a distance and replacing him with 4 players (personally dont even think we even need 4 players!) that may or may not be good? its just as big a gamble to sell him as it is to keep him and hope he returns to fitness, medicine has improved over the last 20 years and i dont see why he wont get back to full fitness again keep the squad, buy a striker and lets get out because we really arent as far off as some think!!
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Post by canarygordo on Jun 20, 2011 12:50:21 GMT 1
Like you I am not sure on Bennett, not whether Morison will cut it, hell even if half of our squad will.. lololol
Yea i think that average prices is the place to start, then all the other things come into play...
I like the sound of him I really do.. but something at the back of my mind I have a little doubt that we are really in for him... There isn't nowt fresh in the papers, they are all rehashes of one story.
I don't know when your evening paper comes out, to see if that has anything fresh on it.
At the end of the day we can thrash over and over things the rights and the wrongs, but it will be down to those in charge who decides, as fans we trust these people to do the right things for our club on their watch... we will be there longer than all of them in the end
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 12:53:08 GMT 1
Maybe we could sign John Bostick from Spurs as his replacement ;D No I don't think he'd have made the difference... We had too many frailties in the centre of the park for me and still do. When you look back at Pilks in form - I don't see many players at this level who can do the things that he can do. Genuinely 2 footed, skillful, fantastic shot with both feet, corners, free kicks - he's superb when on form. He's scored some truly excellent goals from nothing and what maybe I should have said is... Pilks is one of the most talented players at this level, sure there are better and similar players out there but I don't see LC or HTFC being able to attract someone of that quality here. I know money talks and we'd have a lot more of it but I genuinely don't see where we'd get the next Pilks from and knowing our luck we're more likely to end up with the next Lionel Ainsworth... I take the point we could take 2m and improve all areas of the side which would compensate for his loss but for me we'd lose that little bit of magic that Pilks possesses and I don't think a club of our stature would find it easy to replace that... Hopefully I'd be wrong. Point i'm making Matty is that if Pilks had remained injury free then i would be screaming out for more money, had he remained in the same form, or i would be trying to keep hold of him. What people on here blindly think is he is going to be exactly the same player he was pre injury. Not in a million years is that a guarantee. So what do you do, keep hold of him and pray or let him go and make use of the money we get to make a realistic push to making the step up. I know what I'd do, but then again i would have played 2 up front in the play off final, so what do i know. No I see what you're saying. The noises that I've heard are that his injury is exactly the same as the one Valencia has had from Man Utd. He's had the same surgeon and physio's who have all said that he has come back incredibly well. Valencia has since come back and looked almost the same as he did prior to his injury (barring the match fitness) so the hopes are that Pilks will come back ok.. Obviously the mental scarring will remain with him for a while and we might not see him going into challenges or running at players immediately - but he's been running on it and there have even been twitter pics of him juggling and kicking a ball so the signs look quite good so far... Either way it's a risk... He could come back and pick up where he left off and if we're promoted we've got a winger who then could potentially be worth 4m... If he comes back and he's gash then a 2m offer could be a million miles away... The issue for me is not so much the selling of him, it's more the ability to replace him. We've had a 40 player+ turnover since LC came in - Pilks has been the best 1 - the odds when you look it at albeit in a cockeyed way like that are that it's 40/1 to replace him with someone decent. The Wards, McDermotts etc we've seen recently are good players but they're not in the same league as Pilks.
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Post by htfc4eva on Jun 20, 2011 12:54:54 GMT 1
Like you I am not sure on Bennett, not whether Morison will cut it, hell even if half of our squad will.. lololol Yea i think that average prices is the place to start, then all the other things come into play... I like the sound of him I really do.. but something at the back of my mind I have a little doubt that we are really in for him... There isn't nowt fresh in the papers, they are all rehashes of one story. I don't know when your evening paper comes out, to see if that has anything fresh on it. At the end of the day we can thrash over and over things the rights and the wrongs, but it will be down to those in charge who decides, as fans we trust these people to do the right things for our club on their watch... we will be there longer than all of them in the end I know what you mean...but hope you have a good season in prem, your a very friendly invader...refreshing.
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Post by benhomly on Jun 20, 2011 12:59:47 GMT 1
I don't know when your evening paper comes out, to see if that has anything fresh on it. We don't have an evening paper anymore, it comes out in the morning and the news is usually 48 hours old. You learn more on here (or you used to before they started lumping posts together and hiding things) long before you read it in the local rag.
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Post by canarygordo on Jun 20, 2011 13:06:16 GMT 1
thanks, I hope you guys can do it straight up this coming season, I have a little soft spot for Town, my main club has and always will be City (1961 I first got bitten) but have other clubs I look out for.
I rate Lee Clarke, I think if he can steer you up he will be off, we have some friends who live close by, have stayed there half a dozen times, got a great stadium. decent fans well the ones I met were.
friendly invader.. hell we are all football lovers just different teams, why fight and be nasty ?
I was rooting for ya as I watched the play offs, had I been well enough, I would have tried to get a ticket myself
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Post by fredcarno on Jun 20, 2011 13:08:55 GMT 1
If sell him what then, with Clarks scattergun approach to buying players we'd have to sign 4 or 5 to get a good one. We really could do with a few more Lionel Ainsworths or Robbie Simpsons to have to pay off.
The transfer noises around potential transfer activity are very worrying and I cannot believe that people are quite prepared to see us let our best players go and replace them with in the most part names plucked out of a hat.
There's going to be some disappointed folk on here when we don't piss the league with 100 points.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 13:10:23 GMT 1
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Post by htfc4eva on Jun 20, 2011 13:11:03 GMT 1
thanks, I hope you guys can do it straight up this coming season, I have a little soft spot for Town, my main club has and always will be City (1961 I first got bitten) but have other clubs I look out for. I rate Lee Clarke, I think if he can steer you up he will be off, we have some friends who live close by, have stayed there half a dozen times, got a great stadium. decent fans well the ones I met were. friendly invader.. hell we are all football lovers just different teams, why fight and be nasty ? I was rooting for ya as I watched the play offs, had I been well enough, I would have tried to get a ticket myself Thanks also. Yep were both football lovers who support their local team, but some come on here and not all that friendly..idiots but there you go. Yes town fans are a good bunch, apart from when we play leeds, but I suppose thats understandable. Enjoy your season, im sure ours will be another rollercoaster but itl be fun as always. Will be looking out for norwich.
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Post by BradfordTerrier on Jun 20, 2011 13:24:36 GMT 1
Point i'm making Matty is that if Pilks had remained injury free then i would be screaming out for more money, had he remained in the same form, or i would be trying to keep hold of him. What people on here blindly think is he is going to be exactly the same player he was pre injury. Not in a million years is that a guarantee. So what do you do, keep hold of him and pray or let him go and make use of the money we get to make a realistic push to making the step up. I know what I'd do, but then again i would have played 2 up front in the play off final, so what do i know. No I see what you're saying. The noises that I've heard are that his injury is exactly the same as the one Valencia has had from Man Utd. He's had the same surgeon and physio's who have all said that he has come back incredibly well. Valencia has since come back and looked almost the same as he did prior to his injury (barring the match fitness) so the hopes are that Pilks will come back ok.. Obviously the mental scarring will remain with him for a while and we might not see him going into challenges or running at players immediately - but he's been running on it and there have even been twitter pics of him juggling and kicking a ball so the signs look quite good so far... Either way it's a risk... He could come back and pick up where he left off and if we're promoted we've got a winger who then could potentially be worth 4m... If he comes back and he's gash then a 2m offer could be a million miles away... The issue for me is not so much the selling of him, it's more the ability to replace him. We've had a 40 player+ turnover since LC came in - Pilks has been the best 1 - the odds when you look it at albeit in a cockeyed way like that are that it's 40/1 to replace him with someone decent. The Wards, McDermotts etc we've seen recently are good players but they're not in the same league as Pilks. Might be controversial but I think Ward IS in the same league as Pilks and at 2 years younger and already with a prem club has the world at his feet. : :
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Post by AndySk on Jun 20, 2011 13:28:21 GMT 1
My main worry with selling the likes of Pelts, Rhodes, Pilks etc... is Clark seems to have to buy 3 players in order to get a really good one who will be good enough to get us out of this division. There'll be replacements out there but whether we can get them is an entirely different matter
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 13:34:26 GMT 1
No I see what you're saying. The noises that I've heard are that his injury is exactly the same as the one Valencia has had from Man Utd. He's had the same surgeon and physio's who have all said that he has come back incredibly well. Valencia has since come back and looked almost the same as he did prior to his injury (barring the match fitness) so the hopes are that Pilks will come back ok.. Obviously the mental scarring will remain with him for a while and we might not see him going into challenges or running at players immediately - but he's been running on it and there have even been twitter pics of him juggling and kicking a ball so the signs look quite good so far... Either way it's a risk... He could come back and pick up where he left off and if we're promoted we've got a winger who then could potentially be worth 4m... If he comes back and he's gash then a 2m offer could be a million miles away... The issue for me is not so much the selling of him, it's more the ability to replace him. We've had a 40 player+ turnover since LC came in - Pilks has been the best 1 - the odds when you look it at albeit in a cockeyed way like that are that it's 40/1 to replace him with someone decent. The Wards, McDermotts etc we've seen recently are good players but they're not in the same league as Pilks. Might be controversial but I think Ward IS in the same league as Pilks and at 2 years younger and already with a prem club has the world at his feet. Maybe in 12-18 months - but the chances of him being in L1 with us would be slim to nil me thinks
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 13:40:20 GMT 1
Valencia was out for longer because he had ligament damage in his ankle as well. Pilks got lucky as there was no ligament damage so it was jut his leg that had to heal. I say lucky, it obviously wasn't, but it could have been a lot worse.
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Post by JakeMelbourneTerrier on Jun 20, 2011 13:41:51 GMT 1
Isn't he mates with James Vaughan who's signed for Norwich recently? That could be one of many pulls towards to prem for him.
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Jun 20, 2011 13:46:03 GMT 1
1.75m, 10m or whatever... Pilks is irreplaceable for me. I don't think we'd be capable of unearthing another gem like him no matter how much money we get. # Certainly not Irreplaceable Mr Sultan. Hence the 25 odd game unbeaten run we went on. However, I'l be gutted to see him leave as I've always stuck up for this guy and last season he was finally awesome. BUT, 2 million plus add ons and maybe one of their players would be a massive price for a player who's not proven yet that his injury won't effect his performance.
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Post by bigfatmonkey on Jun 20, 2011 13:58:56 GMT 1
just thinking not much more than a year ago we were similar to Norwich in terms of level and ambition etc....
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Post by AndySk on Jun 20, 2011 14:03:10 GMT 1
just thinking not much more than a year ago we were similar to Norwich in terms of level and ambition etc.... A mile off in terms of players though
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Post by huddy on Jun 20, 2011 14:08:21 GMT 1
thanks, I hope you guys can do it straight up this coming season, I have a little soft spot for Town, my main club has and always will be City (1961 I first got bitten) but have other clubs I look out for. I rate Lee Clarke, I think if he can steer you up he will be off, we have some friends who live close by, have stayed there half a dozen times, got a great stadium. decent fans well the ones I met were. friendly invader.. hell we are all football lovers just different teams, why fight and be nasty ? I was rooting for ya as I watched the play offs, had I been well enough, I would have tried to get a ticket myself Did you used to run a Norwich forum Gordo?
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Post by betsvigi9 on Jun 20, 2011 14:08:26 GMT 1
Thanks, I agree he does sound better, I wasn't a fan of lambert buying cms anyways. but I still think the comparison was a little wide of the mark, we know any player who scores goals attracts a highier price. all the artilces I have read (admittedly all re hashes) all say Huddersifield value him at £2 mill, so £1.75 mill is not a bad starting bid... with some good addons could see that go to £2.5 + We just got Bennett for less, he has just had a good season. just trying to see what a good average rate is for league One players Bennett only had 12 months left on his contract. Pilks signed an extention to his contract in December and is contracted until June 2014; that makes him more expensive, even leaving aside anything else. If a premier league club comes calling and are prepared to pay our asking price, then I don't see how we can keep hold of Pilks, much as I would like us to; it's just not realistic. Pilkington could make himself financially secure for the rest of his life and you can't stand in the way of somebody doing that. I really hope it isn't true, but if he goes I would wish him the best of luck. We would have to trust Clark to find a suitable replacement. On another point though, Pilkington comes from a very close knit family and has a very young son, I'm not at all sure that he would fancy moving to Norwich. It's not the most accessible place in the country to get to and if others are interested and they are closer, hmmmh!
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Post by canarygordo on Jun 20, 2011 14:19:07 GMT 1
yea still do, there was a young lad back then who used to come there from huddersfield, apologises can't remember his username. Would that be you ?
yeah I agree Norfolk is out there a bit, but you would be surprised how many fall in love with the place and move back if they left us, we have loads of ex players living around there. The close knit family thing would be thought of highly by our club, he would slot right in
bennett had signed an extension after we went calling in January for him
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Post by fredcarno on Jun 20, 2011 14:22:25 GMT 1
It's a very nice place to live though, especially if you've a footballers salary to buy a nice big pile to live in. good luck to the lad if he decides to go.
Just think 2 million for Clark to spend let's hope he spends it on the next Pilks or Peltier and not 2 or 3 Simpsons, Ainsworths or Alan Lee's.
Not sure of the quality folk will be expecting as a replacement but anyone expecting someone like Ward is going to be sorely dissapointed.
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Post by huddy on Jun 20, 2011 14:25:22 GMT 1
yea still do, there was a young lad back then who used to come there from huddersfield, apologises can't remember his username. Would that be you ? Yeah I used to post on there, I can't remember what username I used though either.
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Post by canarygordo on Jun 20, 2011 14:35:33 GMT 1
hahaha if you can't what chance do I stand
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 14:40:27 GMT 1
simple fact, if alex oxtail chamberlin is worth £10m plus, then why isnt pilks worth the same? who had the better season? seriously, if we are going to sell him, we should accept no less than a huge fee. simple mate.he has nt got his pace.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2011 14:42:18 GMT 1
No I see what you're saying. The noises that I've heard are that his injury is exactly the same as the one Valencia has had from Man Utd. He's had the same surgeon and physio's who have all said that he has come back incredibly well. Valencia has since come back and looked almost the same as he did prior to his injury (barring the match fitness) so the hopes are that Pilks will come back ok.. Obviously the mental scarring will remain with him for a while and we might not see him going into challenges or running at players immediately - but he's been running on it and there have even been twitter pics of him juggling and kicking a ball so the signs look quite good so far... Either way it's a risk... He could come back and pick up where he left off and if we're promoted we've got a winger who then could potentially be worth 4m... If he comes back and he's gash then a 2m offer could be a million miles away... The issue for me is not so much the selling of him, it's more the ability to replace him. We've had a 40 player+ turnover since LC came in - Pilks has been the best 1 - the odds when you look it at albeit in a cockeyed way like that are that it's 40/1 to replace him with someone decent. The Wards, McDermotts etc we've seen recently are good players but they're not in the same league as Pilks. Might be controversial but I think Ward IS in the same league as Pilks and at 2 years younger and already with a prem club has the world at his feet. beat me to it stants.
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