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Post by huddstownjimmymac on Nov 22, 2011 16:51:52 GMT 1
I've just send this! To whom it may concern: I bought a ticket for the Notts County game and chose to sit in the Britannia Rescue Stand (Row P seat 238) close to where some of my friends normally sit. From that seat I had an excellent view of the incident involving the young Town supporter who was ejected from the stadium. When the match kicked off the stewards and supervisors turned towards the stands and commenced their surveillance of crowd. At that point most supporters in that section of the crowd were standing and the stewards were telling people to sit down. After about five minutes the activity of the stewards seemed to increase. They placed themselves into positions at the end of each row and were staring into peoples faces, in what I thought was an unnecessarily aggressive and provocative manner. Indeed I thought their actions escalated the situation and it soon turned into a game of ‘to stand or not to stand’. For the most part the crowd ignored the stewards and the whole thing became a pig circus! I’ve supported Town for 52 seasons and I can honestly say I’ve never witnessed such heavy crowd scrutiny before. I realise these are only the observations of one person but I found the whole situation very intimidating. Clearly, the activities of the stewards failed to have any impact on crowd control, in fact it appeared to make matters considerably worse and at one stage I commented as much to a steward nearby. Eventually several Police Officers arrived and on the advice of the stewards proceeded to push their way into the crowd, disrupting an entire block of supporters as they did so. The game was continuing but at that stage it was impossible to see what was happening on the pitch due to the disruption this caused. The police then proceeded to remove a young man (19/20 year old I guess?) he was clearly distressed by this although he left peacefully but the incident appeared to also distress many others in close proximity. From what I could see the person concerned was doing nothing different to the hundreds of others who were standing and in my view he was being treated as a scapegoat. On the evidence of that incident alone, which was clearly a very rehearsed procedure, I believe the whole situation regarding stewarding and policing of matches at The Galpharm Stadium needs to be reviewed. It appears that quite innocent people are being thrown out of the stadium using methods that actually make matters worse. I realise persistent standing is illegal inside a stadium while a football game is in play (not so with Ruby I note) but does 5/10 minutes into game really constitute persistent standing? In other words it’s a matter of 'interpretation'. Is it really worth upsetting and disrupting an entire block of supporters (who have paid a considerable amount to watch a game) by treating individuals in this punitive fashion? I think not! Please contact me if you would like me to expand on the observations and comments I have made! AceT  Regards to all by the way! this post 120% spot on.......and this reading comes from a life long huddersfield town supporter who to me is a law biding citizen outside the ground and inside!!!this post should be sent to the club because this is excatley what happened,,,,,,, |
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Post by nse7entea on Nov 22, 2011 17:25:08 GMT 1
I say "sit down". If you want to stand, annoy anothers, break the law, spoil my view then organise yourselves and get a change in the rules. Just to clarify from my previous post, if you're standing at a football match, intermittently, persistently or permanently, you are NOT breaking the law. A policeman should NOT interfere or ask you to sit down or leave the ground because you have been standing. He should only do so if he suspects you are committing a crime, or are likely to commit a crime or likely to influence others to commit a crime. Standing up at a football match is not a crime.....it's a contractual dispute you have with the football club. See section 11 of this www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1989/37/contents Note also that the licensing authority would NOT revoke a license or order close down of sections of the ground because of persistent standing, as being seated is not a condition of the license, the license will only state the necessary provision of a seated area. The only people who would potentially close parts of the ground are the Stadium Safety Committee, off their own back. |
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Post by stevvy on Nov 22, 2011 17:26:10 GMT 1
I would throw out everyone who stands. One rule for all!!! Unfortunately for you, that'll never happen, because it'd probably cause even more problems. Plus the '1 rule for all' will never happen, because we all know it's 1 rule for Town fans and another rule for away fans. As for AceT's letter, good letter, the only thing I would've added to it would be mentioning the constant difference in the application of the rules by the stewards, with home fans every week, without fail, being treated differently to away fans, as they'll probably say "ah but it was a 1 off, and the stewards enforced the same rules for the away fans as they always do" but on the whole, good letter. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 17:59:52 GMT 1
I say "sit down". If you want to stand, annoy anothers, break the law, spoil my view then organise yourselves and get a change in the rules. I would throw out everyone who stands. One rule for all!!! The only reason i sit with the old folks in the dear seats is i am sick of the fools jumping up and down like jack-in-boxes and dont get me started on the idiots up and down the aisles for a pee, tea, bet, pie or because they have a 3 year old with them. As i recall from an earlier post you're away from the ground by half time most games anyway. judging by your attitude sitting with US old folks in the kilner you'll be as welcome as a fart in a spacesuit. :beer: |
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Post by scoffsablue on Nov 22, 2011 18:27:55 GMT 1
Deano,HTFC,and anyone else that gives a damn about the working class game and the team we support....Stop this stewarding/Police madness now before there's a mass brawl whereby somebody gets badly hurt......or the support/enthusiasm that is requested from our HTFC peers disappears altogether......you choose....it's only a matter of time.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 22, 2011 20:59:47 GMT 1
I knew when i wrote "law" it was a mistake and a pedants charter.
I would prefer an all-standing option but what we have is hopeless.
How about we all jumped up from the soafa for a goal or at an exciting point in the cinema?
How about seats with belts?
How about we ban all folk over 6 foot?
Football fans themselves were responsible for the end of standing.
Sit down and enjoy the game, if you want to jump about and stand go to the park.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 22, 2011 21:01:07 GMT 1
ps I sit in the Upper with my flask, knitting and 30 foot wool  . |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 21:39:56 GMT 1
I was actually told by a steward on Saturday to stop shouting, when I pointed out it was a football ground & not a library he said don't shout as loud.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2011 23:47:28 GMT 1
I was actually told by a steward on Saturday to stop shouting, when I pointed out it was a football ground & not a library he said don't shout as loud. :iconlol: unbelievable |
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Post by Spunker on Nov 23, 2011 0:30:17 GMT 1
I say "sit down". If you want to stand, annoy anothers, break the law, spoil my view then organise yourselves and get a change in the rules. I would throw out everyone who stands. One rule for all!!! The only reason i sit with the old folks in the dear seats is i am sick of the fools jumping up and down like jack-in-boxes and dont get me started on the idiots up and down the aisles for a pee, tea, bet, pie or because they have a 3 year old with them. You are my least favourite Town fan. Were you telling me to sit down at Scunthorpe? I hope you like the back of my head ;D mwah |
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Post by Spunker on Nov 23, 2011 0:33:44 GMT 1
I was actually told by a steward on Saturday to stop shouting, when I pointed out it was a football ground & not a library he said don't shout as loud. When we scored the third against Preston one grabbed my arm and told me to calm down. My response; I'm at a fucking football match.He let go. |
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Post by stevvy on Nov 23, 2011 0:41:15 GMT 1
Says it all about the stewards at Town games. It's a shame we can't sack the lot of them.
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Post by 3Pipe on Nov 23, 2011 0:54:54 GMT 1
Football fans themselves were responsible for the end of standing. You really are a complete ignoramus. |
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Post by terrierluke on Nov 23, 2011 15:57:26 GMT 1
Football fans themselves were responsible for the end of standing. You really are a complete ignoramus. Wrong!! He is a complete and utter Bell-End |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 23, 2011 16:57:11 GMT 1
Football fans themselves were responsible for the end of standing. You really are a complete ignoramus. Subjective. Well-read, high intellect, self-educated. I once passed out in the Shed after being crushed against a barrier. Do you want dead fans? Shankly was wrong, its a football game, not life or death. Sit down or get political and get safe standing like they have in Germany. |
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Post by terrierluke on Nov 23, 2011 17:18:09 GMT 1
Unless I'm mistaken there are no/very few barriers at football grounds nowadays. Due to this fact otium, I suspect it's highly unlikely that people will be crushed against one.
Standing isn't unsafe at all. When a goal is scored and we all go crazy, it could then be deemed unsafe - on several occasions I've gone a bit mad and fallen into the aisle in front of me! Did I die? Well, clearly not.
There is more than enough room in the aisles, when the seats are folded up, to be able to stand safely. The thing is though, there are very few clubs that are against standing when you travel about the country. In fact the stewards couldn't care less. The stewards couldn't care less at our place in the away end. The stewards and safety officials certainly couldn't care less at Anfield as those who are situated in the Kop stand for the entire 90+ minutes.
Our safety officer/jobsworth/twatface/oxygen thief, John Robinson, deems standing to be unsafe at our ground (in home areas only), hence why his dickhead stewards are so on top of it. The sooner this prat flucks off, the better.
Who is he employed by? The football/rugby clubs, or the council?
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Post by TerrierArmy on Nov 23, 2011 18:34:27 GMT 1
You really are a complete ignoramus. Subjective. Well-read, high intellect, self-educated. I once passed out in the Shed after being crushed against a barrier. Do you want dead fans? Shankly was wrong, its a football game, not life or death. Sit down or get political and get safe standing like they have in Germany. Just because you have a high intellect and educated does not mean you are wrong. In fact I think it may be a problem with you as you seem to think you are never wrong due to this apparent ego of yours. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Nov 23, 2011 19:09:06 GMT 1
Well-read ? You're having a laugh. Start with this. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster''The official inquiry into the disaster, the Taylor Report, concluded that 'the main reason for the disaster was the failure of police control.' The findings of the report resulted in the elimination of standing terraces at all major football stadia in both England and Scotland.[4]'' To come out with the statement 'football fans themselves were responsible for the end of standing' is not only incorrect and in itself irresponsible, you're also disrespecting the memory of 96 dead football fans and bringing further pain to their relatives, survivors from that day, Liverpudlians and the football world in general. From reading most of your posts on here you've a very high opinion of yourself, an opinion that is shared by very few as far as I can see. Your statement 'football fans themselves were responsible for the end of standing' makes you a complete ignoramus in my eyes. Instead of claiming to be well-read, prove it in your contributions to this board. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 23, 2011 20:06:29 GMT 1
"I once passed out in the Shed after being crushed against a barrier. Do you want dead fans?"
No but in your case i would have been happy with you suffering a little pain and discomfort
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Post by pozza on Nov 23, 2011 21:27:15 GMT 1
Anyone watching Arsenal game now will see 7k Germans going mental & making some right noise, all stood an all. Funny that.
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Post by yoho on Nov 23, 2011 21:30:21 GMT 1
If and i say a BIG IF standing is unsafe then i don't understand why we are all alloued to stand at the end of the game if its that unsafe the stewards should only let a row of fans go at a time so we can all stay SAFE i would also suggest stopping the fans that go 5 mins before the end as this should also be classed as very unsafe having fans standing to let them get out. Also i don't see the stewards siting down they are always standing and blocking the exits this should also be classed as VERY unsafe.
I'd also like to know what is PERSISTENT standing? and who made this rule up? as i can't find it in any stadium safty rules
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 23, 2011 21:32:03 GMT 1
Anyone watching Arsenal game now will see 7k Germans going mental & making some right noise, all stood an all. Funny that. Any deaths to report yet Pozza? |
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Post by nse7entea on Nov 23, 2011 21:39:17 GMT 1
People are drinking crap German lager in full view of a football match over on ITV - it can only be a matter of seconds before mass carnage ensues.
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Post by pozza on Nov 23, 2011 22:30:00 GMT 1
Anyone watching Arsenal game now will see 7k Germans going mental & making some right noise, all stood an all. Funny that. Any deaths to report yet Pozza? Everyone still alive as far as I know. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 23, 2011 23:47:11 GMT 1
Listen, i understand your frustrations. I dont have a problem with standing (if safely managed and in a purpose-built area).
I sincerely believe the Hillsboro disaster was caused by both fans AND the Police not to mention the antiquated way clubs treated fans back then.
To not put any blame on fans is like trying to say Heysel was caused by a ticketing error!!
With proper ticketing, Policing and adequate crush barriers and penning then standing would be fine.
Lets look at it from another view.
Its a form of entertainment, you have a seat and if you stand up/jump/move i (and many others including old-folk and kids) miss the goals/shots etc.
I want to pinch a million pounds from the bank but i realise that if you give you get. Its called society, its one of the few things that seperates us from the animals.
I dont throw litter in the street, park illegally or avoid my taxes.
We have rules for reasons. Stop bleating about getting thrown out for standing or do something about it.
To claim that i am disrespecting dead football fans is the type of mud-slinging tosh that now pervades society. Racist, homophobe PC nonsense.
In standing up in front of others you are disrespecting them!!!!
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 23, 2011 23:49:21 GMT 1
Subjective. Well-read, high intellect, self-educated. I once passed out in the Shed after being crushed against a barrier. Do you want dead fans? Shankly was wrong, its a football game, not life or death. Sit down or get political and get safe standing like they have in Germany. Just because you have a high intellect and educated does not mean you are wrong. In fact I think it may be a problem with you as you seem to think you are never wrong due to this apparent ego of yours. Show me a man who thinks he is wrong..... I would not expound a view i did not believe in. Now which bit is wrong? |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 23, 2011 23:51:57 GMT 1
Just because you have a high intellect and educated does not mean you are wrong. In fact I think it may be a problem with you as you seem to think you are never wrong due to this apparent ego of yours. Show me a man who thinks he is wrong..... I would not expound a view i did not believe in. Now which bit is wrong? Sit down and shut up |
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Post by Spunker on Nov 24, 2011 13:57:11 GMT 1
There's no chance of a crush stood up in that corner.
Or, have I misunderstood and you are a Borrower?
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Post by htsa2011 on Nov 24, 2011 15:24:23 GMT 1
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Post by jimmyhtfc on Nov 24, 2011 19:24:31 GMT 1
Very interesting. Didn't know Cardiff City have a safe standing area.
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