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Post by justanothertownfan on Jan 11, 2012 9:55:57 GMT 1
It seems there is still a piece of the jigsaw missing. The missing piece is the reason that Davy doesn't want Hoyle to have the 40% in KSDL. Hoyle has offered him his £3M+interest that he invested for the return of the shares. For some reason Davy keeps moving the goal posts. He can only be doing this knowing full well that at some point Hoyle will pull the deal and walk away. Why would he do that? That something must be worth significantly more that £3M to Davy. KSDL, Kirkless and Dean Hoyle have made statements on the subject surely Davy will have to come out with something. The £25K change in the rental agreement must be a red herring. Nobody would allow a £3M deal fall off the table for the sake of £25k.
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Post by mids on Jan 11, 2012 10:17:56 GMT 1
The £25K change in the rental agreement must be a red herring. Nobody would allow a £3M deal fall off the table for the sake of £25k. Davy would. Davy has. There's no red herring here.
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Post by justanothertownfan on Jan 11, 2012 10:23:48 GMT 1
Just doesn't make any sense at all. Cuts nose off to spite face.
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Post by bigfatmonkey on Jan 11, 2012 10:26:55 GMT 1
Why didn't Dean Hoyle say that? Exactly To anyone who didn't know much about it before the 2 statements, they still don't really have the full picture after reading them. I knew hardly anything about it until reading the statement yesterday but the gist I got from the statement was that it was the straw the broke the camels back. I haven't got it to hand, and have only read it the once, but didn't Dean pretty much say it's not about the money, it's more about the principle and that it was just one step too far after all the other bits and bobs he'd agreed to in the previous discussions before the agreement was finalised?
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Post by keepmoving on Jan 11, 2012 10:40:30 GMT 1
read mids's story in the other thread and it will all make perfect sense......
Trust deano to know what he's doing.
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Post by offtopic on Jan 11, 2012 10:43:27 GMT 1
read mids's story in the other thread and it will all make perfect sense...... That should be published on the front page of the examiner
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Post by ram on Jan 11, 2012 11:08:43 GMT 1
My word s my Bond!!...Pity that doesn,t apply to a certain party
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Post by dronfieldterrier on Jan 11, 2012 11:56:18 GMT 1
I think Davy has had is nose put out of joint with the whole Dean Hoyle era. Davy may well have saved the club when we went into administration and he liked the accolades that went with that. However, his contribution pales into insignificance compared to what Dean has done for the club, hence Davy feels insignificant. He's trying to play his 'alpha male' card by doing what he is doing because his pride is hurt. You know what comes before a fall...
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Post by keepmoving on Jan 11, 2012 12:04:29 GMT 1
Trust deano to know what he's doing.... It'll all make sense eventually.
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Post by seanyd1brit on Jan 11, 2012 13:05:14 GMT 1
Why didn't Dean Hoyle say that? My take on this is Dean doesn't want to be the one slinging mud. Davy's statement seems to be littered with VERY careful wording - ambiguous wording.
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Post by griffa on Jan 11, 2012 14:20:58 GMT 1
I think Davy has had is nose put out of joint with the whole Dean Hoyle era. Davy may well have saved the club when we went into administration and he liked the accolades that went with that. However, his contribution pales into insignificance compared to what Dean has done for the club, hence Davy feels insignificant. He's trying to play his 'alpha male' card by doing what he is doing because his pride is hurt. You know what comes before a fall... As has been stated before, Davy only bought Town as without HTAFC using the stadium, then the Giants didn't have a future!
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Post by ruud1boy on Jan 11, 2012 14:55:49 GMT 1
There's as much been left out of the respective statements as there is in there. Coupled with some very careful wording to suit the needs of each party - Dean can't tell all, 'cos if he did Davy's reputation would be shredded and therefore Davy would never agree to sell the shares. Davy won't tell all, 'cos he wants to keep what's left of his reputation intact.
The only certainty at this stage is there are very few people who know all the facts.
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Post by terrierluke on Jan 11, 2012 15:08:01 GMT 1
How about this?? This an email from Ken Davy to all the recipients of our emails. Cahal Burke just sent it onto me: Hello All I am sorry to see that you are being subjected to what appears to be a round robin of comments from individuals on this matter. My only request to you is that you take the trouble to read my Statement which I understand is on p5 of todays Huddersfield Examiner. The reality is I did not seek to alter the terms of the Agreement with Dean Hoyle of February 2010. Indeed I passed the share certificate to the company secretary of KSDL 2 years ago in anticipation of the transfer proceeding. Equally it is not I who failed to honour that Agreement. Regards - Ken Sent from my iPad Read more: downatthemac.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=63939&page=2#ixzz1j9tRyyok
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Post by dronfieldterrier on Jan 11, 2012 15:11:18 GMT 1
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Post by terrierluke on Jan 11, 2012 15:22:14 GMT 1
How about this?? This an email from Ken Davy to all the recipients of our emails. Cahal Burke just sent it onto me: Hello All I am sorry to see that you are being subjected to what appears to be a round robin of comments from individuals on this matter. My only request to you is that you take the trouble to read my Statement which I understand is on p5 of todays Huddersfield Examiner. The reality is I did not seek to alter the terms of the Agreement with Dean Hoyle of February 2010. Indeed I passed the share certificate to the company secretary of KSDL 2 years ago in anticipation of the transfer proceeding. Equally it is not I who failed to honour that Agreement. Regards - Ken Sent from my iPad Read more: downatthemac.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=63939&page=2#ixzz1j9tRyyok
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Post by belfasttownfan on Jan 11, 2012 15:27:06 GMT 1
Send this link to KD............maybe he will realise how disliked he really is. Failing that............12000 town fans singing KD your a Wa##er for 45 minutes live on sky may hit home to the scumbag!! I have never felt so much HATE for an individual as i do KD.
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Post by ruud1boy on Jan 11, 2012 15:51:29 GMT 1
How about this?? This an email from Ken Davy to all the recipients of our emails. Cahal Burke just sent it onto me: Hello All I am sorry to see that you are being subjected to what appears to be a round robin of comments from individuals on this matter. My only request to you is that you take the trouble to read my Statement which I understand is on p5 of todays Huddersfield Examiner. The reality is I did not seek to alter the terms of the Agreement with Dean Hoyle of February 2010. Indeed I passed the share certificate to the company secretary of KSDL 2 years ago in anticipation of the transfer proceeding. Equally it is not I who failed to honour that Agreement. Regards - Ken Sent from my iPad Does it have his personal e-mail address on it? I'm just interested which ISP he uses
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Post by upthetown on Jan 11, 2012 16:32:30 GMT 1
Send this link to KD............maybe he will realise how disliked he really is. Failing that............12000 town fans singing KD your a Wa##er for 45 minutes live on sky may hit home to the scumbag!! I have never felt so much HATE for an individual as i do KD. Getting Town fans, at home games, to sing anything for 45 mins would be a start!
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Post by bro600 on Jan 11, 2012 19:50:15 GMT 1
Why didn't Dean Hoyle say that? Unfortunately Dean Hoyle knows he's got to work with Ken Davy and the council in the future. Also all this posturing and greed doesn't go down with some of the sponsors and commercial interest partners. Hence the wording in the statement of:: "It would now be easy for me and Huddersfield Town to be drawn into a war of words; seeking to challenge every fact and statement that has recently been issued. At this time, that would not be right for Huddersfield Town or anyone else. Every person involved, including me, will be judged on what they have done and said, and the truth will come out.It's obvious by the statements that Ken Davy couldn't give a toss. Neither do i so i'll tell you as i find out.
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Post by In sooth- - on Jan 11, 2012 20:00:06 GMT 1
Perhaps a mole in KD`s business might tell all.
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Post by philex on Jan 11, 2012 20:50:50 GMT 1
Perhaps a mole in KD`s business might tell all. Know one?!
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Post by In sooth- - on Jan 11, 2012 20:52:45 GMT 1
Not with my eyesight.
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Post by keepmoving on Jan 11, 2012 21:32:04 GMT 1
1. dont buy the pies from the stadium. 2. dont buy the watered down cat piss / beer from the stadium 3. dont buy anything from the stadium - apart from program / golden gamble. 4. trust deano. we have to back deano all the way on this one.
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Post by ifuhatepalacestand on Jan 11, 2012 21:56:49 GMT 1
Today 19:56#7 grummitts gloves Registered User -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Join Date: Dec 2008Location: In Gus wonderlandPosts: 1,070vCash: 0Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Hope it has a happy ending. Much respect to your team and manager for the way they behaved towards the Albion last season. Hope you go up this year. Please post any links that will help your cause. Fans United Will Never Be Defeated!! copy of post about your troubles on (north stand chat).. www.northstandchat.com/showthread.php?225353-Huddersfieldif you need any advice we are quit good at protests ect(10 years practice ). also if you come on our forum you wont be able to post links till you have ten posts. so if you pm them to( ifuhatepalaceatandup) i will post them for you. Also might be something fans united might get involved with therefore may be worth contacting Plymouth and wrexham
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Post by yorkshireseagull25 on Jan 11, 2012 22:18:51 GMT 1
Good luck with sorting this out. I'll be watching your boys against Oldham on Saturday as not able to make the Brighton game pus free tickets via work. Hope you get promoted this season.
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Post by subvulture on Jan 12, 2012 6:18:20 GMT 1
1. dont buy the pies from the stadium. 2. dont buy the watered down cat piss / beer from the stadium 3. dont buy anything from the stadium - apart from program / golden gamble. 4. trust deano. we have to back deano all the way on this one. UTT. No Pain....No Gain!! this
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Post by mids on Jan 12, 2012 10:22:57 GMT 1
From: mids To: k.davy@simplybiz.co.uk; adrian.lythgo@kirklees.gov.uk; nigel.clibbens@htafc.com; dean.hoyle@htafc.com; gareth.davies@kirkleesstadium.plus.com; barry.gibson@examiner.co.uk; ann.denham@kirklees.gov.uk; linda.wilkinson@kirklees.gov.uk; james.blanchard@kirklees.gov.uk; ken.smith@kirklees.gov.uk; jean.calvert@kirklees.gov.uk; cath.harris@kirklees.gov.uk; hanif.mayet@kirklees.gov.uk; mahmood.akhtar@kirklees.gov.uk; amanda.stubley@kirklees.gov.uk; shabir.pandor@kirklees.gov.uk; gwen.lowe@kirklees.gov.uk; peter.o'neill@kirklees.gov.uk; andrew.palfreeman@kirklees.gov.uk; elizabeth.smaje@kirklees.gov.uk; robert.light@kirklees.gov.uk; kath.pinnock@kirklees.gov.uk; john.lawson@kirklees.gov.uk; andrew.pinnock@kirklees.gov.uk; david.ridgway@kirklees.gov.uk; nicola.turner@kirklees.gov.uk; donna.bellamy@kirklees.gov.uk; molly.walton@kirklees.gov.uk; carole.pattison@kirklees.gov.uk; mohammad.sarwar@kirklees.gov.uk; rochelle.parchment@kirklees.gov.uk; peter.mcbride@kirklees.gov.uk; cliff.preest@kirklees.gov.uk; john.cook@kirklees.gov.uk; jim.dodds@kirklees.gov.uk; elaine.ward@kirklees.gov.uk; paul.kane@kirklees.gov.uk; cathy.scott@kirklees.gov.uk; eric.firth@kirklees.gov.uk; khizar.iqbal@kirklees.gov.uk; masoodg.ahmed@kirklees.gov.uk; salim.patel@kirklees.gov.uk; karam.hussain@kirklees.gov.uk; mumtaz.hussain@kirklees.gov.uk; darren.odonovan@kirklees.gov.uk; christine.iredale@kirklees.gov.uk; andrew.marchington@kirklees.gov.uk; hilary.richards@kirklees.gov.uk; mehboob.khan@kirklees.gov.uk; mohan.sokhal@kirklees.gov.uk; judith.hughes@kirklees.gov.uk; steve.hall@kirklees.gov.uk; viv.kendrick@kirklees.gov.uk; david.sheard@kirklees.gov.uk; beryl.smith@kirklees.gov.uk; terry.lyons@kirklees.gov.uk; edgar.holroyd-doveton@kirklees.gov.uk; donald.firth@kirklees.gov.uk; nigel.patrick@kirklees.gov.uk; kenneth.sims@kirklees.gov.uk; adrian.murphy@kirklees.gov.uk; christine.smith@kirklees.gov.uk; derek.hardcastle@kirklees.gov.uk; christine.stanfield@kirklees.gov.uk; cahal.burke@kirklees.gov.uk; tony.brice@kirklees.gov.uk; margaret.bates@kirklees.gov.uk; david.hall@kirklees.gov.uk; lisa.holmes@kirklees.gov.uk; martyn.bolt@kirklees.gov.uk; vivien.lees-hamilton@kirklees.gov.uk; kath.taylor@kirklees.gov.uk; andrew.cooper@kirklees.gov.uk; graham.simpson@kirklees.gov.uk; julie.stewart-turner@kirklees.gov.uk Subject: Resolving KSDL Shares Misunderstandings Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:14:45 Ken, The Collaboration Agreement and Transfer were both required, as per the statement of 24 December 2009.( www.htafc.com/page/FromTheBoardroomDetail/0,,10312~1914687,00.html) This was an agreed joint PR statement by all parties, including your own lawyers. You agreed that statement, but yet you tried to renegotiate the Collaboration Agreement didn't you? You sought to re-write seven years of practice which in the past you said “could not be changed”. The fans, the club, Dean Hoyle, Kirklees Council, and KSDL trusted you on that. But now, since the deal you, have now backtracked and are trying to re-write history, and your past comments, to justify yourself. You never said the 15/13 rental formula was temporary. You did say “it couldn’t be changed” to myself as part of the supporters group, FFA, in 2007, although you deny it now. Claims of “hindsight”, “misunderstandings”, and not reading your own website is unacceptable – you were the Chairman of HTAFC, and it was your responsibility to ensure the truth was told. In order to end any confusion, and to give clarity, please answer the following: Would you be prepared to now allow disclosure of the 2004 collaboration agreement? If Dean Hoyle agreed in writing, would you agree to the release of all relevant information regarding the agreement you both reached in February 2010? Was mediation and arbitration (from a third party) suggested and, if so, would you have agreed? Were there any deadlines for you, and Dean, to sign the agreement? If the 15/13 rental formula was “temporary” when did you tell Dean Hoyle it was temporary? Before or after April 2008? Before or after February 2010? If you had told Dean in the past, are you saying Dean is lying when he says in the press that it was a “new” proposal after the event – and had never been mentioned before? If he is not lying, on what date did you ask Dean and KSDL to revert back to the 13/13 formula, rather than 15/13 formula? Why didn’t you revert it back to 13/13 before now - for example, during the previous eight years? If you say “it has now ceased” to be 15/13 – when was that from? Have HTFC agreed or is it just on your say so? If they haven’t agreed, how can you change eight years practice on your own? If HTAFC and the shareholders were equal in KSDL, how can one club change the rents of another ? That can’t be fair! If, as you say, you could change eight years of practice on your own, why did you ever bother to ask Dean and KSDL and Council for it to revert back? Surely you would have just done it? Regards
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jan 12, 2012 10:23:41 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2012 13:54:10 GMT 1
For some reason i see that as a slightly petty reply (albeit due to siding with Dean) where a game of "he said this" is coming to the fore.
The sooner the share situation is sorted out the better for both Huddersfield clubs.
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Post by mids on Jan 12, 2012 14:05:16 GMT 1
For some reason i see that as a slightly petty reply (albeit due to siding with Dean) where a game of "he said this" is coming to the fore. The sooner the share situation is sorted out the better for both Huddersfield clubs. Unfortunately, that's the situation we find ourselves in. There's nothing wrong, IMHO, in asking Ken to explain himself and to point out his 'misinformation' and 'inaccuracies'. Yes it might appear petty, and nit picking. Yes it might be repetitive. But if it works then so be it.
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