Catfish
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Post by Catfish on Dec 21, 2007 11:02:49 GMT 1
Bris- I meant idealistic as in what you would really like is everyone in the world to have only local stuff, which obviously can't happen. And I know you know that and I've said you're right, people should make more effort.
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MikR
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Post by MikR on Dec 21, 2007 11:22:45 GMT 1
Get rid of the common agricultural policy, then we'll talk. I know this bird who has a lot of land and is paid top whack to keep much of it empty. You might know her, she's called the Queen.
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Fenton
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Post by Fenton on Dec 21, 2007 11:58:01 GMT 1
I've never knowingly had faggot
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Post by brispie on Dec 21, 2007 12:03:07 GMT 1
That's what he said.
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Post by brispie on Dec 21, 2007 12:04:11 GMT 1
Fishy - I know that isn't reasonable. I just think we should do all we can, but thank you for not just dismissing my view point.
You really are a lovely, well brought up lady.
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Post by sideshow on Dec 21, 2007 12:11:57 GMT 1
Oi snock, does this same practical industrialised approach al;so apply to factory farming ducks?
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Fenton
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Post by Fenton on Dec 21, 2007 12:13:38 GMT 1
*points & laughs*
the thing is though bris, people do make an effort, they don't just bleat on about it.
I do agree with you some of the time but it's more fun to take the piss
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Post by Fenton on Dec 21, 2007 12:15:22 GMT 1
Oi snock, does this same practical industrialised approach al;so apply to factory farming ducks? *smiley alert* well it would be if they appeared, you had a lucky escape there Anyway, that made me laugh out loud (sorry snock)
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Post by brispie on Dec 21, 2007 12:16:09 GMT 1
Sometimes you reall hurt me Fenners, you really do.
I don't mind upsetting the people who already make an effort, but there are some who don't and if that's out of ignorance and feel the need to try and tell them.
I do realise how much of a twat I sound sometimes though.
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Post by mrduckington on Dec 21, 2007 12:18:53 GMT 1
If it were in my power I would end the factory farming of all animals today.
That said it's only with intensive energy hungry agriculture that the world can support the population it does, so the choice is stark.....continue as we are or endure a horrendous famine.
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Post by brispie on Dec 21, 2007 12:22:40 GMT 1
I'm all for trimming the population back a bit. There are too many idiots in this world for start.
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Post by turtle on Dec 21, 2007 12:34:17 GMT 1
I stuck a note recently on the water dispenser saying that those who use a plastic cup once and then throw it away are c****.
They've stopped doing it now so although I sound like a twat, I have done some good.
I bought some Egyptian strawberries and Greek grapes last week. Sorry Bris.
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Post by latelark on Dec 21, 2007 13:19:40 GMT 1
The vast majority of people in this country shop for convenience, so they do it all in one *hit* (eg as ASDERS or Tesco) rather than go to the butcher for meat, greengrocer for veg etc.
The *specialist* shops (that is what they are becoming) sell much better quality and tastier stuff
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Post by brispie on Dec 21, 2007 14:28:32 GMT 1
I also bought Greek grapes the other day. We can't all be good.
They ditched plastic cups in our place and forced everyone to buy their own glass.
I bet that the Egyptian strawberries tasted as bland as my Greek grapes?
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Post by guernseydave on Dec 21, 2007 14:30:41 GMT 1
Is Stella a local produce
The pubs only 5 minutes walk away
GD
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MikR
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Post by MikR on Dec 21, 2007 14:32:17 GMT 1
Don't ever, EVER eat anything raw from North Africa, without at least giving it a very thorough wash. Some of their agricultural practices are a bit, er, left-field.
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Post by turtle on Dec 21, 2007 14:32:51 GMT 1
They tasted like strawberries with all the sugar sucked out. The boy likes strawberries so I have no choice.
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Post by Bernie on Dec 21, 2007 14:41:05 GMT 1
>Don't ever, EVER eat anything raw from North Africa, without at >least giving it a very thorough wash. Some of their agricultural >practices are a bit, er, left-field.
Same goes for the Koreans, I believe (I'm sure Fenners can set us straight) or at least it did in the Fifities. One of my uncles was in the Gloucester Regiment and told a mediocre story of how they took cover in a field full of crops which had just been fertilised - with human manure. No doubt Kimchi was developed to hide the taste.
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MikR
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Post by MikR on Dec 21, 2007 14:50:30 GMT 1
Our practices were a bit left field until about 1998, to be fair, Bernie
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Post by Bernie on Dec 21, 2007 14:56:17 GMT 1
I'm not surprised, Stoke has always struck me as that sort of a place.
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Post by ab on Dec 21, 2007 20:20:08 GMT 1
People could do more but they won't because for too many when weighing up price, convenience, organicness (sic) and localness of produce, convenience will come first and second, price third and fourth with a general meh to whether the food is organic or local. In practical terms 2 parent families where mum works no more than part time and dad is home by 6 every evening are the main demographic where organic and local produce will be most likely to be consumed. Single parent families or families where both parents are working long hours are not likely to have the time or energy to traipse around 5 different suppliers a couple of times a week and then spend half the weekend maintaining the allotment and they are also unlikely to value organicness and locality of produce sufficiently to spend the substantial extra money it currently costs to buy from people who don't have the economies of scale of the supermarkets.
While supermarkets are able to charge a premium to well off time-poor consumers for local and organic produce they are unlikely to sell it cheaply to consumers who place no value on how local or organic the produce is and who would rather buy £5 frozen processed megapacks of food substitute from Iceland.
Withdrawal from the CAP and CFP, removal of all subsidies for farmers unless they produce organic food for local sale, nationalisation of land suitable for allotments, imposition of a super-rate VAT on sales by supermarkets so as to price mass-produced/mass-distributed food out of the reach of the average consumer and force them to grow their own might work. Or lead to bread riots.
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Fenton
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Post by Fenton on Dec 21, 2007 20:47:37 GMT 1
oi bernie, no I'm not an expert on Korean agriculture in the 50s
cheeky fucker, how old do you think I am?
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Post by brispie on Dec 22, 2007 0:15:23 GMT 1
Although we fall into your time rich family slot, we don't have to make too much of an effort.
Organic milk delivered, organic fruit and veg delivered. Both as local as can be. The allotment takes about 2 hours a week on average and that's usually at the weekend. People could do it if they were informed.
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Post by e17hoop on Dec 22, 2007 1:33:59 GMT 1
People could do it if they were informed. Or if there was enough allotment space for everyone. Each plot can cost up to £1000 to clear derelict land and make it suitable for growing. On a 10 plot site, that's a £10k cost...or £510k cost in my neck of the woods with 10 plots being the equivalent size of 2 houses.
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Post by michelotti on Dec 22, 2007 11:51:40 GMT 1
ab for prime minister!
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