brispie
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Post by brispie on Aug 11, 2011 18:41:27 GMT 1
How could you tell in those clothes?
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Post by owlie on Aug 11, 2011 19:36:52 GMT 1
Owlie. He wants his assailant to be punished. He doesn't want his family home set on fire or his Dad (unexpectedly) having both his knees broken. The friendship has gone. The woman across the road (the assailants sister)... I am her daughter's Godmother My son is a child. He's 16. He has a dilemma. He wants to protect his family that is horrible. Like I say, it's easy to make a decision here, but it's not my family being threatened.
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Post by Bernie on Aug 12, 2011 7:34:08 GMT 1
I would have been there AB. Maybe not at 11, but certainly at 15. Naturally, by your own admission you were a horrible little c*** when you were fifteen.
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Post by gymmers on Aug 12, 2011 8:34:36 GMT 1
That bloke from Ealing who tried to stamp out a fire and fight off some 'disaffected yoofs' is dead
You can't blame the bastard who murdered him. He clearly lacked socio-economic opportunities
So that's alright, then.
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Post by ab on Aug 12, 2011 9:32:27 GMT 1
Just a bit of fun that got a bit out of hand.
We ought to reintroduce football hooliganism to give these guys a more productive outlet for their energies and to confine as far as possible the risk of death and injury to other scrotes.
It would probably be economic to recommence mining if we used the disaffected as indentured labour. They get a home, Sky subscription, food stamps, 12 hours a day down a mine.
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Post by fgrfc_dan on Aug 12, 2011 9:42:01 GMT 1
We could recommence all kinds of industry if we started using indentured labour. We could return to having a textile industry, shipbuilding, car and aircraft production and all sorts of other manufacturing if the scrotes would work for little more than a roof over their heads and basic sustenance instead of demanding payment for watching Jeremy Kyle all day and filling the world with their useless offspring.
It might be at the expense of the white cider and superstrength lager industries but there have to be some casualties...
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Post by merkin on Aug 12, 2011 10:07:34 GMT 1
All kinds of things would be possible if we had a notion where we were prepared to work for wages that would allow us to compete on a worldwide basis. This should be the basic entry of working of where you work just to eat and sleep under a roof....with a few goodies now and again. Odd beer in the house, odd bar of chocolate for the kiddywinks.
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Post by gymmers on Aug 12, 2011 10:22:29 GMT 1
BRING BACK NATIONAL SERVICE
(well that's what my dad says anyway)
Just saying, loike
Actually, National Service need not be military service. It might be service to one's community with an associated financial allowance
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Post by ab on Aug 12, 2011 11:30:11 GMT 1
Problem is that if people don't want to do anything like serve their community or get a job and would rather thieve and cheat than make any effort there's not a lot you can do other than give in if you find the idea of starving criminal masses on the street unattractive. Freedom includes the freedom to be a c*** and for no-one to have the right to take that away from you.
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Post by daleylama on Aug 12, 2011 12:13:13 GMT 1
"Freedom includes the freedom to be a c*** and for no-one to have the right to take that away from you."
I've been trying to phrase that point so simply over the last couple of days when discussing this subject but am not as wordy as your good self.
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Post by AndyM on Aug 12, 2011 13:02:28 GMT 1
One good thing about the riots is that it has brought up a rare AWAG ton.
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Post by turtle on Aug 12, 2011 13:04:33 GMT 1
Oi Gymgirl....
I got attacked. 2 broken arms. Police utterly useless. No conviction. I'm sure the police knew who did it. Absolutely certain in fact. I did the CICA claim myself and got 4 grand. Apparently if you turn down the first claim you generally get more but I was more than happy with that so took the cash.
Hope your lad's alright. Shit decision you have he has to make at such a young age. If it helps from what you've said and if it was my family I would keep the police and courts out of it for a quiet life.
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Post by merkin on Aug 12, 2011 13:44:59 GMT 1
When you are sat well away from them then it's easy to say they will be a good thing. Everyone seems to be on board with the Daily Mail ethos now. We've gone from why didn the c**** shoot a man* with a gun in sock to why have we made these heroes in blue feel that they can't baton the fuck out of lads in a hoodie** within the space of days *drug dealing criminal **looting criminals Brilliant
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brispie
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Post by brispie on Aug 12, 2011 13:55:30 GMT 1
Its funny you should say that thing about the Daily Hell.
I was thinking to myself 'When did everyone become so right wing?' It appeared to happen almost overnight. Normally sane liberalish people are suddenly saying stuff like 'National Service', 'Lock 'em up and throw away the key' etc etc.
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Post by brispie on Aug 12, 2011 13:56:31 GMT 1
Bernie - If you'd asked anyone who knew me at that age they would have said that I was a nice, quiet lad. I was on the fringes.
I'll be honest as I got older I assumed that most people, especially males, went through similar rites of passage.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2011 14:31:46 GMT 1
Can't believe anyone would want to bring back national service, can you seriously imagine those lazy useless scrounging bastards in the armed forces ? No it's much easier to loot and burn people out of their homes, murder people who are trying to protect their own property, then claim it's all down to social problems, poor darlings,it's time for the police to take control and show these worthless twats some real law and order.
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Post by ab on Aug 12, 2011 14:35:50 GMT 1
There's a very good reason why papers like the Mail, the Express, Sun, Telegraph and the defunct NoTW sell bucketloads more than the Guardian and Independent. Even if their proprietors and editors have an aim of influencing their readership to take particular stances ultimately they are bought by people who are receptive to these stances and open to agreeing with them. The majority of people in the country share their perspective, even if through politeness and natural inconsistency (eg Bees fans think QPR to be lower than vermin and their fans to be utter scum, except of course hoopy, GroveR, Varc and all of their mates who we have met in real life) they tend not to express the more extreme parts of their views all the time. I reckon most people, including every social worker I've ever met, would read the following story as being of sad and unusual kids rather than "just boys going through the rites of passage that most go through" www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/Boy-accused-of-post-office-fire-suffers-from-ADHD-mum-tells-court-11082011.htm
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Post by gymmers on Aug 14, 2011 19:48:25 GMT 1
Can't believe anyone would want to bring back national service, can you seriously imagine those lazy useless scrounging bastards in the armed forces ? No it's much easier to loot and burn people out of their homes, murder people who are trying to protect their own property, then claim it's all down to social problems, poor darlings,it's time for the police to take control and show these worthless twats some real law and order. Read my post again National service need not mean military service
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Post by e17hoop on Aug 14, 2011 22:52:57 GMT 1
10% of the London arrests are for kids under 18; would national service help? Would it have helped those over 18 feeling listless, disenfranchised, etc? I doubt it.
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ab
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Post by ab on Aug 15, 2011 10:04:03 GMT 1
It depends on what such service involved. If it was well organised and had young people doing meaningful work that was rewarding to them it would help by opening up opportunities and changing their perspectives on what life involved.
I find it hard to imagine how kids growing up in a massive city like London where opportunities have been no more than a bus ride away for so many years could feel that life didn't have much to offer them, but clearly a lot do. A lot have tiny horizons which barely stretch beyond the few streets around them - so they complain of there being nothing to do when in reality there's tons of stuff you can do or see for free if you can be bothered to think about what you'd like to do and go and do it.
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Post by gymmers on Aug 15, 2011 10:05:01 GMT 1
If it helped the other 90%, I wouldn't mind.
If a period of mandatory practical experience in social and community responsibility was avaiable, what harm would it do?
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brispie
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Post by brispie on Aug 15, 2011 13:42:06 GMT 1
For a start it would cost millions. So for that reason the government will be out.
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Post by AndyM on Aug 15, 2011 14:03:45 GMT 1
Looting is bad, but we were the victim of daylight robbery on Saturday afternoon.
Daley should hang his head in shame.
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Post by daleylama on Aug 15, 2011 14:15:42 GMT 1
I have no shame, you played worse than you did last season when we beat you 3-0, you should be grateful for a point
p.s. Get thee a ticket for either Sat or Sunday v South Africa at Headingley next Summer, Sat West Stand £40, Sunday North Stand £35 through Yorkshite Cricket. I've got tickets for both avec lots of mates although we're all sat in different bits of the stand.
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Post by AndyM on Aug 15, 2011 15:01:48 GMT 1
Tickets bought for both days. We'd better not skittle them twice in first 2 days.
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Post by gymmers on Aug 15, 2011 17:16:22 GMT 1
For a start it would cost millions. So for that reason the government will be out. Hang on. Doesn't the government shell out a fortune in: Policing ASBOS Alcohol and drug treatment NHS treatment as a result of assaults involving the above Criminal Injuries Compensation Handouts to dolies who have no motivation to work Family allowance payments to schoolgirls who see no meaningful purpose or future other than to get themselves up the duff? Why not remove dole payments within a certain age bracket and replace it with compulsory paid community service? Paint an old person's house. Clear a disused recreational area? Do play activities at a local library. Benefit the community, appreciate how disadvantaged sections of community are, do something about it and learn new skills at the same time as earning money?
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Post by ab on Aug 15, 2011 17:36:17 GMT 1
As with most well-meaning things the people most likely to benefit from it (and who everyone else would really like to change away from being amoral scrotes) are the least likely to engage with it.
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Post by daleylama on Aug 15, 2011 21:37:54 GMT 1
"If people feel that society isn't working for them they will eventually do something about it"
It's amazing that the rejection of society and protests across the country happened a couple of days after riots in London following the shooting of a gang leader.
That must be just coincidence, the mass uprising against social injustice was on the tipping edge irrespective of the events in Tottingham, otherwise one would be drawn to believe that it was simply a case of a load of criminals (some organised, some not so organised) doing what they do under the collective rioting umbrella in copycat style.
Likewise criminals are of course only criminals because there are no jobs etc etc etc.
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Post by e17hoop on Aug 16, 2011 22:07:41 GMT 1
As with most well-meaning things the people most likely to benefit from it (and who everyone else would really like to change away from being amoral scrotes) are the least likely to engage with it. This.
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Post by GroveR on Aug 17, 2011 12:56:08 GMT 1
Paint an old person's house. Mmm, not sure how that one'll pan out...
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