merkin
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Post by merkin on Jun 30, 2011 13:49:02 GMT 1
I wonder how hard it is to blast out the same yearly notes on The Peasants Revolt, soil creep, statistics, The Periodic Table.....
Reading out notes must be horrendously tricky.
Marking those exam papers at home with a cup of tea and the answers handy must be equally as tough.
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Post by brispie on Jun 30, 2011 14:09:54 GMT 1
Don't listen to these fuckers Grimois. They've become indocrinated into the ways of the private sector. You doff your cap to those who are better than you and accept everything unquestioningly.
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Post by daleylama on Jun 30, 2011 14:14:21 GMT 1
Well said brispie.
The lesser class head to the cosy world of public sector while the alpha males fight it out in the private sector.
All we want is a bit of respect not this whinging whiny shit.
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Post by merkin on Jun 30, 2011 14:29:40 GMT 1
i forgot to mention that they have to take turns standing in the playground to make sure they line up properly...in the wind, rain, sleet and snow too...or do they get people in do that now!?
eh, not everyone can be think tanking in the staff room!!!
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Post by owlie on Jun 30, 2011 15:11:16 GMT 1
But they stay up marking until 10 at night!
Personally I think that is their own fault for starting marking at 9:30.
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Post by ab on Jun 30, 2011 15:36:00 GMT 1
When the teachers who have been doing it for 20-30 years got into the profession it was relatively easy but poorly paid. Since then, the pay has rocketed (international comparisons show that British state school teachers are paid very well compared to those in most other developed countries) but so has the crap bureaucracy. That bureaucracy was brought in largely by the last government with its addiction to making new policies and jobs for administrators and theorists. The role of teachers and schools was expanded out into being pseudo-social workers while raising the rights of the pupils and parents and reducing the authority of teachers. I don't believe anyone goes into a hard job on the basis of "at least it has a good pension scheme" - particularly when those people joining the profession prior to Gordon Brown fucking private pensions in 97 could have got private sector jobs with excellent final salary schemes. They also didn't graduate with huge debts because they didn't have to pay for their educations. Even with the increased contributions and the increased length of service after 30+ years of being a teacher you will get a very decent pension. As far as I can tell a classroom teacher of that level of experience will get a pension roughly the same as I'll get despite me having a rather higher salary and making much larger contributions. Of course it would be nice to level up private pensions but that doesn't look to be on the agenda (certainly not now when adding 10% to the employment costs of the private sector would be rather harmful to the economy). A teaching pension plus the state pension would, for someone who had worked most of their life be worth well over half their final salary after tax. bit.ly/mEy6RD
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Post by GroveR on Jun 30, 2011 15:59:37 GMT 1
Comments I'll fight to get it reduced, you fucking retard.
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Post by owlie on Jun 30, 2011 16:14:18 GMT 1
13k a year for about 28 weeks work. Not too had is it?
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Post by thrice on Jun 30, 2011 19:44:07 GMT 1
[/quote] So I teachers..... [/quote] So do I (along with many other professions) but I think that their strike action is bollocks. To be honest it is the Unions fault more so than the teachers that willingly follow their lead like lost sheep.
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Post by jaymz on Jul 1, 2011 7:30:36 GMT 1
11 months off, start at 10, finish at 3?
Respect? Fuck 'em.
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Post by brispie on Jul 1, 2011 13:13:52 GMT 1
The point of a union is that it gives members the right to take appropriate action if they do not agree with something that management are doing. They don't so they have taken appropriate action to show that they are not happy. It is now up to the management (government) to come back to negotiations and agree a compromise.
AB - As a school governor I would argue that teachers do focus on teaching. I get frustrated when they don't have time to take on other key roles.
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Post by Admin on Jul 1, 2011 15:31:08 GMT 1
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jul 1, 2011 15:36:15 GMT 1
what a bunch of cnuts.....
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Post by turtle on Jul 1, 2011 15:48:32 GMT 1
I know a few teachers. Most are mental headcases. The others will be a mental headcases one day too I'm sure. Respect to the good ones. None of them live in the real world.
If they don't like what's happening to their pensions they should get another job or an extra private pension rather than holding the rest of us to ransom though.
Edit : THE MAIL is a the newspaper equivalent of Viz now. "Size doesn't matter: Tiny insect that sings with its penis is loudest creature on Earth" is another headline on their website.
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Post by terrier4ever on Jul 5, 2011 22:56:19 GMT 1
u would of though they would have strike on a Friday rather than a Thursday so they can get an extra DAY OFF
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owlie
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Post by owlie on Jul 6, 2011 5:57:53 GMT 1
Don't Thursdays count as days off?
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Post by ab on Jul 7, 2011 12:03:46 GMT 1
brispie - I'm a governor too. The school is very good (OMB will be starting there in September). The amount of shit that they have to do other than teaching is astonishing. The paperwork generated for governors' meetings (and all the subcommittees) for a 200 pupil single-form entry primary school, along with the policies and processes, all of which have had to be put together by the teaching staff, is comparable to what you'd expect the board of directors of a major plc to be looking at. Almost all of it is a waste of everyone's time. I don't subscribe to the "13 weeks holiday, 9-3.30 working day, what a doss" critique of teachers because I know that they work a lot more than that. Unfortunately, a large proportion of that time is basically wasted on stuff that they need not be doing. Apart from the policy/process stuff there's way too much prescription about how lessons must be structured and planned and way too much data gathering and analysis - bit.ly/oz6De6 - much of which leads to perverse outcomes (eg if I lived next door to brispie and we had children of the same age and ability, my child would be expected by the school to attain higher merely because of his ethnicity). Teaching was more like the caricature in the past and better for it.
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Post by brispie on Jul 7, 2011 15:47:10 GMT 1
You get off lightly. Us governors do most of the policy work at my school which is a junior school only, but still has 300 kids. The bursar and head have to produce info for governors meetings, but that's their job. The teachers don't get involved in most of what happens and just concentrate on teaching on the whole.
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Post by ab on Jul 7, 2011 16:18:37 GMT 1
They seem to have passed quite a lot of the work down to the kids - had some very impressive reports presented by the Y5 & 6 representatives on the anti-bullying policy and on school meals. Very mixed intake school though - disproportionate numbers both of top achievers and kids who have attendance below 80% from Reception on. Seems to be the same at the local secondary - about a third get straight As at GCSE and a similar proportion pass nothing at all. Risky if you have an average kid who likes to hang out with wronguns.
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Post by basilrobbiereborn on Jul 7, 2011 16:26:01 GMT 1
I've worked in both sectors. I can't say the private sector stretched me all that much, and in fact got less stimulating the higher up the managerial ladder i went. The public sector, quite the opposite.
The issue of pensions is emotive, especially when it's brought into sharp relief by the spectre of redundancy, which is not what the public sector is used to of course.
I'm glad I retired when I did, and consider myself fortunate to have got an attractive deal on early departure and pension that is simply not on the table for most people any more. And I mean fortunate in the sense that the only householder in the street who hasn't been burgled feels "fortunate".
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Post by oldstokie on Jul 8, 2011 21:18:17 GMT 1
God is our guide! from field, from , From plough, from anvil, and from loom; We come, our country's rights to save, And speak a tyrant faction's doom: We raise the watch-word liberty; We will, we will, we will be free! You'd have been wasting your time on Awag, George. :violent:
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