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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 12:59:16 GMT 1
On the bright side, this could lead to a decent chant next season .....
PRIVATE SECTOR --------PUBLIC.
To the tune of 'Almondbury ---- WANKERS'.
Just a thought.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jul 10, 2014 13:01:40 GMT 1
Fire men on strike again.... when do they ever not strike? Teachers moaning... If I don't like my terms and conditions I will get another job, I suggest you moaning shits either do the same or be glad you are working. - I love it! Firemen have an excellent package and should recognise it, as we should all recognise the work they do when called upon. On the other hand, since you ask, I was going to join the LFB many years ago, but when a fellow interviewee said that he had heard that a burning body smells just like roast pork, I decided I couldn't do it. I have tremendous admiration for firemen, but I am not happy about their bleating about how hard done-to they are; it's a great job boys, with brilliant t's&c's. |
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Post by mightyterrier on Jul 10, 2014 13:03:38 GMT 1
Cut and thrust debate - I love it! Firemen have an excellent package and should recognise it, as we should all recognise the work they do when called upon. On the other hand, since you ask, I was going to join the LFB many years ago, but when a fellow interviewee said that he had heard that a burning body smells just like roast pork, I decided I couldn't do it. I have tremendous admiration for firemen, but I am not happy about their bleating about how hard done-to they are; it's a great job boys, with brilliant t's&c's. Lol priceless |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 10, 2014 13:06:08 GMT 1
The truth is Public Sector workers can leave if they don't like it, presuming they have the talent to warrant the pay they believe they are worth then there will be a job elsewhere paying that rate Believe me, hundreds of thousands have. Despite being lower paid than the private sector for decade after decade, the vast majority stayed in the public sector because they had a good pension scheme. It is now impossible to get that pension scheme transferred to another job in the private sector. Thing is Berty I don't see how it benefits an economy if all the brightest and best are in the public sector. If that was the case everyone (Public and Private) would be in trouble. You can have the best public sector in the world but if your Private sector is knackered then there's no money to pay the Public Sector! Surely the best should be in the Private sector where their skills will add to growing the economy. At the moment the packages in the Public sector are better than the same roles in the Private and that can't be healthy |
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Jul 10, 2014 13:13:21 GMT 1
Believe me, hundreds of thousands have. Despite being lower paid than the private sector for decade after decade, the vast majority stayed in the public sector because they had a good pension scheme. It is now impossible to get that pension scheme transferred to another job in the private sector. Thing is Berty I don't see how it benefits an economy if all the brightest and best are in the public sector. If that was the case everyone (Public and Private) would be in trouble. You can have a the best public sector in the world but if your Private sector is knackered then there's no money to pay the Public Sector! Surely the best should be in the Private where their skills will add to growing the economy. At the moment the packages in the Public sector are better than the same roles in the Private and that can't be healthy I agree totally. But I don't believe that the public sector should be 'dragged down' to below the private sector. For as long as I can remember (it probably always has been) the private sector was better paid than the public sector, and I'm sure it will be again. The pubic sector has lost millions of jobs in the last few years, and hopefully a growing economy will be able to employ most of those people. Trouble is, with so many available for work, many greedy bosses will use that to keep wages low. |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 10, 2014 13:13:53 GMT 1
Believe me, hundreds of thousands have. Despite being lower paid than the private sector for decade after decade, the vast majority stayed in the public sector because they had a good pension scheme. It is now impossible to get that pension scheme transferred to another job in the private sector. Thing is Berty I don't see how it benefits an economy if all the brightest and best are in the public sector. If that was the case everyone (Public and Private) would be in trouble. You can have a the best public sector in the world but if your Private sector is knackered then there's no money to pay the Public Sector! Surely the best should be in the Private sector where their skills will add to growing the economy. At the moment the packages in the Public sector are better than the same roles in the Private and that can't be healthy Unless you want substandard teaching of your children, poor medical care for your family should any of them fall ill. Its swings and roundabouts. If the better teachers, firefighters, medical staff leave the public sector then surely we will have an inferior service from them. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 10, 2014 13:16:22 GMT 1
The Tories keep moving the goalposts every year, I work for the NHS and they've savaged the NHS penison scheme, no payrises (well we did get 1% this year but only if you were on the maximum of pay band and it was non pensionable) and no above inflation payrise for another 4 years, cheers David. The Tories are privatising the NHS by stealth. The Trust I work for have been told to save 20 million, how is that going to happen without actually affecting the service on offer?
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Post by jasonhand on Jul 10, 2014 13:19:08 GMT 1
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Post by barnsleydaz on Jul 10, 2014 13:19:50 GMT 1
The Tories keep moving the goalposts every year, I work for the NHS and they've savaged the NHS penison scheme, no payrises (well we did get 1% this year but only if you were on the maximum of pay band and it was non pensionable) and no above inflation payrise for another 4 years, cheers David. The Tories are privatising the NHS by stealth. The Trust I work for have been told to save 20 million, how is that going to happen without actually affecting the service on offer? What's an above inflation pay rise? |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jul 10, 2014 13:21:24 GMT 1
FUCK ME... some really narrow minded people on here.
I really like the assumption that because they can move jobs then that is available for everyone, there's a few who seem to think they know better but then have no idea at all about the reasons for strike.
Let's clear one thing up right now... Firefighters...
How many private fire services do you know of? Yes there are some small private sector firefighters but these are usually at airports or at oil rigs/refineries and not that well paid because of the supply/demand.
So let's pretend there is a private option for them (which there isn't really)... As someone has said quite rightly the reason a lot stay in public sector work is that the pension was beneficial. Do them same people realise that the firefighters had joined up and had a retirement age of 50 (or 30 years) and that to enable this early age they currently pay 15% of their salary into their pension?!? So they have been paying this and planning their retirement for potentially the last 20+ years... Then suddenly the government say they have to work another 10 years!?! And that their final pension will be decreased DESPITE THEM PAYING A THIRD MORE FOR IT?!?
I doubt my mortgage company would let me ring them and say I'm going to give them less and I'll take longer to pay it back... But them type of contracts are invincible...why aren't the people who have signed upto a pension...?
For the narrow minded person who said about it being fine to work until 60 as a fireman... Did they know the average death of a fireman is 62? Hence why historically they have been allowed to retire earlier, and if they want someone age 60 climbing 15m up a ladder with an 18kg breathing apparatus set on their back and a 15kg hose over their shoulder to rescue their own children then fair enough... But I wouldn't.
These two reasons combined make the government changes horrifying to those who have put away so much into their pension and planned for their retirement. But the main reason for them being worried is also what happens if they cannot meet the fitness criteria? Currently the government proposal is that they get made redundant due to i capability... That means NO PENSION DESPITE PAYING THEIR £400 a month! NOTHING... NOT EVEN IF THEY GET TO 59, despite originally signing upto a pension at 50.
I'm in full agreement with them and that their treatment is disgusting. Especially when the MPs have a different idea of cost cutting to the rest of us, they may not give themselves a pay rise but they have accepted it! And get a full pension despite not paying a penny in.
Oh and then if you want to be picky about them being greedy they have had 5 years without an inflation increase despite inflation rising and are now have a pay-to-inflation comparison of an 8% pay cut.
However i do agree that the firefighters shouldn't have joined the other unions strikes because it all gets lumped together as 'pay disputes'
Oh and while we are on it, Yorkshire ambulance trust went on strike too... Their reason? Better safety and protection at work... Why? They have the highest level of assaults in any job (even police) so are they out of order too?
The private sector doesn't often consider those who are there for them when needed and the thing about democracy is that they have an option to speak out, it's just a shame those who support them aren't supported in return.
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Post by buckers on Jul 10, 2014 13:28:11 GMT 1
If anyone thinks a private sector bricklayer is worse paid than say a bricky at building services. Your off your rocker or just lying for the sake of an argument.
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Post by morrisraspass on Jul 10, 2014 13:30:54 GMT 1
never been able to 'withdraw my labour'. What is pissing me off is that the government want to change the rules/contracts that they agreed to with sections of the workforce. Instead of changing the rules for all new starters in those jobs which is what they should be doing they are using the excuse that they and the financial services sector made such a bollox of everything, that now they will changing agreements signed years and years ago and changing pension rights etc. Ok the world situation has changed, why cant everyone who took out a loan/mortgage years ago now go back to their lenders and say "given the world financial situation, I can no longer pay the AGREED sum and therefore I will be paying significantly less and if there is a shortfall, no matter how large, its tough shit on you, you will have to stand it".  ?? Lets make it fair, eh? see how those fuckers like it.. Private sector workers had 10% tax relief taken off their pensions by Gordon Brown 15+ years ago. That's 10% relief every year, compounded, and wasn't in the contract when I started my pension. When I started working, I could pay enough contributions for a comfortable retirement at 65. Now, I can't, because the government has changed the rules - my pension pot is much less and retirement age is up to 68. A lot of public sector workers think they're the only ones whose rules are changing. They're wrong. Did you join your union, organise the masses, go out on strike? I don't work in the public sector but I am in a union and when our terms and conditions are attacked we make damn sure we stand up for our rights. I don't begrudge the public sector workers a thing. Wish more private sector workers would stand up for their rights. |
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Post by htafctaunton on Jul 10, 2014 13:41:32 GMT 1
It's a subject worthy of debate, and the op has a point. The socialists won't like it though. sounds like you must be an anti-socialist |
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Post by rocky on Jul 10, 2014 13:46:38 GMT 1
I work for the NHS and they've savaged the NHS penison scheme That's just not true (I mean the 2nd bit, no the 1st!  ). As you know, the previous benefit levels were calculated decades ago when life expectancy was lower than it is now. As life expectancy rises, then either you have to pay more into your pension, work longer or accept that future benefits will accrue at lower rates, otherwise the scheme will simply collapse. The scheme (as it stood) was simply unsustainable. DB pension schemes have virtually disappeared, apart from in the public sector. Rather than 'savaging the NHS pension scheme', what they've actually done is to reduce the benefits that you will accrue in the future, but not those you've already built up. You still have death in service, dependents pension & automatic increases (this latter point costs a fortune in the personal pension sector). Whilst your new benefits aren't quite as good as they used to be they are still miles better than what you would get for the same money in a personal pension. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 10, 2014 13:56:31 GMT 1
Thing is Berty I don't see how it benefits an economy if all the brightest and best are in the public sector. If that was the case everyone (Public and Private) would be in trouble. You can have a the best public sector in the world but if your Private sector is knackered then there's no money to pay the Public Sector! Surely the best should be in the Private sector where their skills will add to growing the economy. At the moment the packages in the Public sector are better than the same roles in the Private and that can't be healthy Unless you want substandard teaching of your children, poor medical care for your family should any of them fall ill. Its swings and roundabouts. If the better teachers, firefighters, medical staff leave the public sector then surely we will have an inferior service from them. I would pay teachers more and cut the bureaucracy - I fully understand the pressures of paperwork. But it needs to be a two way street with the unions. There are too many poor teachers who never get sacked and that can't be right. There was a stat doing the rounds that something like two dozen teachers actually got sacked in a decade, complete madness and frankly not fair on the kids who have to be taught by weak teachers Firefighters, I don't have too much sympathy with and think they get a decent deal. They get to retire at a very young age and with a healthy pension. They get a lot of time off and the fact is there is no shortage of people wanting to do that job - which suggests it ain't that bad being a fireman. Medical staff - I think our GPs are some of the best paid in the world already which is never mentioned. I agree nurse deserve more. I'd also cut the NHS admin and management team. I've never understood for example why the NHS needs an army of marketing professionals! You can go line by line, but there seems to be a complete mess of pay grades in the Public sector, e.g. how can a squaddie serving on the front line in Afganistan get paid substantially less than a police officer (who will retire after 25 years). |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 13:56:51 GMT 1
It's a subject worthy of debate, and the op has a point. The socialists won't like it though. sounds like you must be an anti-socialist I'm not anything, only a blinkered idiot would nail their political colours permanently to the mast. However, if you're really blinkered and a big enough idiot, you do get a job working in London, arguing with lots of other idiots all day. It pays well, you just have to know how and when to close ranks and "lose" really important documents. Somebody will tell you you are helping to run the country but don't believe them, it's really run by the multinationals that operate out of the UK. |
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Post by htafctaunton on Jul 10, 2014 13:58:35 GMT 1
There is currently a war going on between the rich (really rich) and the rest of us yet we take all this propaganda and argue amongst ourselves. And the government knows that the best way to keep the 'masses' down is to divide them (as in divide and conquer) ---- AND THEY ARE TRYING TO ENGINEER THE SPLIT BETWEEN PRIVATE AND PUBLIC SECTORS IN ORDER TO RE-SUBJUGATE US ALL If we argue amongst ourselves we are playing into their hands. SO DON'T FALL FOR THIS CON-TRICK!!! |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 10, 2014 14:03:26 GMT 1
army for 20 odd years..now self employed. I paid a lot of pension, especially later on in my service and I pay a small fortune now. said before im not a fan of something for nothing and clearly pensions have to be looked at and changed if they no longer fit the bill. 20/30 years ago this should have been investigated and changed but of course thats long before the financial institutions were allowed to go fucking mad with the countries money by successive governments and now its clearly the fault of the working population for all the countries ills. If we live longer then we have to pay more for our retirement, not an issue, problem is that the unemployed are living longer and are taking more for longer that they never paid for. Try sorting that one out first before attacking working people along with all the other billions of pounds wasted by this and successive governments. Stop wasting billions and you might even get some of the unions on side a bit.. Anything and everything the government have a hand is has massive amounts of waste and inefficiency and sloth. More nursing managers and admin staff than nurses on duty? ?? More call handlers and admin staff on duty than Police Officers? More admin staff at the council offices than staff out providing the services that we all pay for??? I had the pleasure of trying to sort out a problem with a benefit for a chap who lost half his face and hasn't got the ability to speak anymore, they ignored his e mails and letters and refused to speak to him on his phone that turns it into text. I spoke to a female operator , one of a hundred and 14 working in their call handling centre to find out that we have one disability employment advisor covering the whole area and they were taking 25 calls a day for appointments to speak to just her?? 114 people taking message to pass onto a handful of sharp end workers???. They meet all the govt criteria because its just based on answering calls, not dealing with the problems of the people making those calls. Its a fucking brilliant if not genius method of setting your targets... |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Jul 10, 2014 14:03:52 GMT 1
I work for the NHS and they've savaged the NHS penison scheme That's just not true (I mean the 2nd bit, no the 1st! ). As you know, the previous benefit levels were calculated decades ago when life expectancy was lower than it is now. As life expectancy rises, then either you have to pay more into your pension, work longer or accept that future benefits will accrue at lower rates, otherwise the scheme will simply collapse. The scheme (as it stood) was simply unsustainable. DB pension schemes have virtually disappeared, apart from in the public sector. Rather than 'savaging the NHS pension scheme', what they've actually done is to reduce the benefits that you will accrue in the future, but not those you've already built up. You still have death in service, dependents pension & automatic increases (this latter point costs a fortune in the personal pension sector). Whilst your new benefits aren't quite as good as they used to be they are still miles better than what you would get for the same money in a personal pension. What makes you such a bloody expert? |
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Jul 10, 2014 14:04:20 GMT 1
There is currently a war going on between the rich (really rich) and the rest of us yet we take all this propaganda and argue amongst ourselves. And the government knows that the best way to keep the 'masses' down is to divide them (as in divide and conquer) ---- AND THEY ARE TRYING TO ENGINEER THE SPLIT BETWEEN PRIVATE AND PUBLIC SECTORS IN ORDER TO RE-SUBJUGATE US ALL If we argue amongst ourselves we are playing into their hands. SO DON'T FALL FOR THIS CON-TRICK!!! And this was after they started to divide the workers from the benefit 'scroungers' |
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Post by Wingman on Jul 10, 2014 14:07:30 GMT 1
Erm... Yes, I think I do...I have been working in welfare to work for the last 15 years (I have worked with thousands of unemployed people), and have a Degree in politics.... and I work my arse off, and even though I got paid on the last day of the month I have £47.00 in my current account. We all make our own choices, either suck it up like the rest of us, or shut up. Maybe you need to review your direct debits and either spread them out or visit USwitch.com. Secondly Alex, you fucking wanker, some people have trained and studied damned hard to become teachers, trained and risk their lives to become firemen, etc. Your pompous arrogant train of thought suggest you are a dyed-in-the-wool Tory scumbag.  |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Jul 10, 2014 14:13:34 GMT 1
Now this is an engaging thread...I am only on page 2, but I thought I would pop to the end and let you know that I will catch up eventually. I have to do some real work now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 14:15:36 GMT 1
Let's clear one thing up right now... Firefighters... How many private fire services do you know of? So let's pretend there is a private option for them (which there isn't really)... So a fire fighter isn't employable in any other profession?> How about snooker, plenty of practice? Why would they be incapable of doing anything else? As someone has said quite rightly the reason a lot stay in public sector work is that the pension was beneficial. Do them same people realise that the firefighters had joined up and had a retirement age of 50 (or 30 years) and that to enable this early age they currently pay 15% of their salary into their pension?!? So they have been paying this and planning their retirement for potentially the last 20+ years... Then suddenly the government say they have to work another 10 years!?! And that their final pension will be decreased DESPITE THEM PAYING A THIRD MORE FOR IT?!? You do understand that there are different pension schemes for different fire fighters depending on when they joined I take it? Nearly half of people on the old scheme will still be retiring at 55 on a full pension. For the narrow minded person who said about it being fine to work until 60 as a fireman... Did they know the average death of a fireman is 62? Hence why historically they have been allowed to retire earlier, and if they want someone age 60 climbing 15m up a ladder with an 18kg breathing apparatus set on their back and a 15kg hose over their shoulder to rescue their own children then fair enough... But I wouldn't. Really? Where did you get that from, Union propaganda bollocks? Have a look here..... webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20120919132719/http://communities.gov.uk/documents/fire/pdf/1436114"The main conclusion from our analysis of Firefighters’ pensioner mortality over the period 2003 to 2007 is that the longevity of Firefighters in retirement is greater than that of the general UK population" These two reasons combined make the government changes horrifying to those who have put away so much into their pension and planned for their retirement. But the main reason for them being worried is also what happens if they cannot meet the fitness criteria? Currently the government proposal is that they get made redundant due to i capability... That means NO PENSION DESPITE PAYING THEIR £400 a month! NOTHING... NOT EVEN IF THEY GET TO 59, despite originally signing upto a pension at 50. Really? So you think someone over 55 is clapped out and can't do physical work? Rubbish, this is just one of the Union's weak arguments. What about construction workers, steel erectors, scaffolders, rail engineers? People nowadays are perfectly capable of working to 60 in a physical job if they look after themselves. |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jul 10, 2014 14:17:32 GMT 1
FUCK ME... some really narrow minded people on here. I really like the assumption that because they can move jobs then that is available for everyone, there's a few who seem to think they know better but then have no idea at all about the reasons for strike. Let's clear one thing up right now... Firefighters... How many private fire services do you know of? Yes there are some small private sector firefighters but these are usually at airports or at oil rigs/refineries and not that well paid because of the supply/demand. So let's pretend there is a private option for them (which there isn't really)... As someone has said quite rightly the reason a lot stay in public sector work is that the pension was beneficial. Do them same people realise that the firefighters had joined up and had a retirement age of 50 (or 30 years) and that to enable this early age they currently pay 15% of their salary into their pension?!? So they have been paying this and planning their retirement for potentially the last 20+ years... Then suddenly the government say they have to work another 10 years!?! And that their final pension will be decreased DESPITE THEM PAYING A THIRD MORE FOR IT?!? I doubt my mortgage company would let me ring them and say I'm going to give them less and I'll take longer to pay it back... But them type of contracts are invincible...why aren't the people who have signed upto a pension...? For the narrow minded person who said about it being fine to work until 60 as a fireman... Did they know the average death of a fireman is 62? Hence why historically they have been allowed to retire earlier, and if they want someone age 60 climbing 15m up a ladder with an 18kg breathing apparatus set on their back and a 15kg hose over their shoulder to rescue their own children then fair enough... But I wouldn't. These two reasons combined make the government changes horrifying to those who have put away so much into their pension and planned for their retirement. But the main reason for them being worried is also what happens if they cannot meet the fitness criteria? Currently the government proposal is that they get made redundant due to i capability... That means NO PENSION DESPITE PAYING THEIR £400 a month! NOTHING... NOT EVEN IF THEY GET TO 59, despite originally signing upto a pension at 50. I'm in full agreement with them and that their treatment is disgusting. Especially when the MPs have a different idea of cost cutting to the rest of us, they may not give themselves a pay rise but they have accepted it! And get a full pension despite not paying a penny in. Oh and then if you want to be picky about them being greedy they have had 5 years without an inflation increase despite inflation rising and are now have a pay-to-inflation comparison of an 8% pay cut. However i do agree that the firefighters shouldn't have joined the other unions strikes because it all gets lumped together as 'pay disputes' Oh and while we are on it, Yorkshire ambulance trust went on strike too... Their reason? Better safety and protection at work... Why? They have the highest level of assaults in any job (even police) so are they out of order too? The private sector doesn't often consider those who are there for them when needed and the thing about democracy is that they have an option to speak out, it's just a shame those who support them aren't supported in return. Not one of you who are slating fireman care to respond to this? |
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Post by fredcarno1 on Jul 10, 2014 14:20:01 GMT 1
This kind of debate is exactly what the Goverment want, turn worker against worker. Cameron and his cronies don't believe in good conditions and living standards for the working man. It's all about creating more wealth for those at the very top and having a large proportion of the working class turn against each other does a great job for their cause.
We should be striving for a system where working people can afford to all have a decent standard of living in retirement, not take some kind of macabre self satisfaction in the fact that an increasing majority of the population will work until they die, many in poverty. Whilst those at the top will live a life of luxury.
Cameron and his mob probably yearn for the halcyon days of landowners and serfs, and the days when it was ok to send kids up chimneys and down coal mines.
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Post by In sooth- - on Jul 10, 2014 14:20:36 GMT 1
I remember the time(earlier today)when we used to have heated debates concerning how many left wingers we have - --actually left full backs.
What about getting a coalition centre back.I ask myself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 14:20:50 GMT 1
Ahem..... 2 minutes before you posted....  [Not one of you who are slating fireman care to respond to this? |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jul 10, 2014 14:23:25 GMT 1
If anyone thinks a private sector bricklayer is worse paid than say a bricky at building services. Your off your rocker or just lying for the sake of an argument. No, but he has an option - if he doesn't like a steady, well paid job, with limited pressure and a gold plated public service pension he should get off his backside, go out into the wider industry and make himself some money (if that is what rocks his boat). |
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Post by DeepSpace on Jul 10, 2014 14:32:33 GMT 1
I work in the Third Sector s neither public nor private, but work closely with public sector workers.
So, yesterday I have to travel a couple of hundred miles by train, attend meetings, write reports, a whole load of stuff for which I get paid a pittance compared to what I'd get for a roughly similar private sector job and have had my pension shafted thanks to government cuts.
Here's my real gripe though. You know what totally screwed up my day yesterday...cost me 2 hours of work, extra money & a load of stress?
Private sector Northern f***ing Rail cancelling the train from town meaning I had to shift all my stuff to the bus station, pay extra, walk to get my car & lost a load of time off my day. So anyone who wants to try & tell me the private sector are any better than the public can take a running f***ing jump because the incompetent b*stards left me having to work extra hours at home to make up for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 14:39:53 GMT 1
Unless you want substandard teaching of your children, poor medical care for your family should any of them fall ill. Its swings and roundabouts. If the better teachers, firefighters, medical staff leave the public sector then surely we will have an inferior service from them. I would pay teachers more and cut the bureaucracy - I fully understand the pressures of paperwork. But it needs to be a two way street with the unions. There are too many poor teachers who never get sacked and that can't be right. There was a stat doing the rounds that something like two dozen teachers actually got sacked in a decade, complete madness and frankly not fair on the kids who have to be taught by weak teachers Firefighters, I don't have too much sympathy with and think they get a decent deal. They get to retire at a very young age and with a healthy pension. They get a lot of time off and the fact is there is no shortage of people wanting to do that job - which suggests it ain't that bad being a fireman. Medical staff - I think our GPs are some of the best paid in the world already which is never mentioned. I agree nurse deserve more. I'd also cut the NHS admin and management team. I've never understood for example why the NHS needs an army of marketing professionals! You can go line by line, but there seems to be a complete mess of pay grades in the Public sector, e.g. how can a squaddie serving on the front line in Afganistan get paid half that of a police officer (who will retire after 25 years). I work a 48 hour week fella, Christmas Day, Boxing Day, kids birthdays the job lot. You might not have much sympathy for us fella but take a gulp of thick black acrid smoke once a week for 30 years and let's see how healthy you are. Yes we have breathing apparatus but we actually have to get to the job first to know it's needed so we are constantly breathing in all sorts. Deaths in service are uncommon but injuries are very common. As for retiring at a very young age, that's no more thanks to this government. Let me tell you something, if they brought our pension in line with the private sector, our hours in line with the private sector and our pay in line with the private sector you would be fucked if you were sat in your bedroom awaiting rescue during backdraft conditions because I can't see anybody willing to risk their lives for someone else when they are getting sod all in return. You get a professional dedicated service who are damn good at what they do and are willing to risk their lives to save others. I spent all day Tuesday digging a horse out of an abandoned water shaft in linthwaite, up to my knees in horseshit because there was nobody else who could do it. Go ask the owners who were faced with the prospect of having their horse out down if we are worth it. |
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