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Post by benhomly on Aug 27, 2014 10:32:07 GMT 1
For anyone easily offended by negative threads please look away now.
But it has to be Town surely? Apart from a very small number of victories over unfashionable higher placed sides we have done absolutely sod all in cups in over half a century. Nearly my lifetime. Sure we've given good games to the likes of Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal over the years but you sit there knowing exactly what's going to happen. We get back in the game, they bring a sub on and in the blink of an eye the dream has gone. Once, just once, is all i ask - can we go on a cup run and beat a few high profile Premiership sides along the way. Maybe even get to a semi-final? Or dare i dream of a final? After all we are a Championship side and plenty of those have reached FA Cup finals over the years.
I know - i'm deluded.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 10:35:26 GMT 1
FA Cup semi this year
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Post by yettonterriers on Aug 27, 2014 10:47:39 GMT 1
I'd settle for one of those 3rd round draws against a top side, great day out and a couple of quid in the coffers along with chance to dream. And of course, hopefully repeating the process in 4th round!
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Aug 27, 2014 10:56:08 GMT 1
For anyone easily offended by negative threads please look away now. But it has to be Town surely? Apart from a very small number of victories over unfashionable higher placed sides we have done absolutely sod all in cups in over half a century. Nearly my lifetime. Sure we've given good games to the likes of Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal over the years but you sit there knowing exactly what's going to happen. We get back in the game, they bring a sub on and in the blink of an eye the dream has gone. Once, just once, is all i ask - can we go on a cup run and beat a few high profile Premiership sides along the way. Maybe even get to a semi-final? Or dare i dream of a final? After all we are a Championship side and plenty of those have reached FA Cup finals over the years. I know - i'm deluded. You sound like a Newcastle fan
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Aug 27, 2014 11:01:22 GMT 1
We had the perfect oppurtunity to get to the FA Cup Semi Final last season.
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Post by yettonterriers on Aug 27, 2014 11:16:34 GMT 1
True but that is history, I was looking forward to this year. Which would you prefer - Man City away or Grimsby?
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Post by SaudiTerrier on Aug 27, 2014 12:01:21 GMT 1
We keep getting crap draws recently. Teams in our division where it's a tough game that can go either way, even worse when its a team like Forest who are currently top and with a strong squad. Even when we get a Premier league team its a Wigan or Hull
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Post by seanyd1brit on Aug 27, 2014 12:14:16 GMT 1
We keep getting crap draws recently. Teams in our division where it's a tough game that can go either way, even worse when its a team like Forest who are currently top and with a strong squad. Even when we get a Premier league team its a Wigan or Hull Exactly! The draw hasn't been particularly kind to us recently, but the OP certainly has a point.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Aug 27, 2014 12:29:41 GMT 1
If one were to really look at the staistics and compare league teams and standings it would confirm that Town are the WORST cup side since the war. We dont even average one good draw from the hat per decade. We lose to crap teams and even when we play well we lose. In 45 years there was West ham, Arsenal twice (once when they were avarage), Liverpool and Chelsea when they were not particularly dominant. Hell, even our pre-season friendlies are generally rubbish fixtures. We should just pull out of them all and go back to the Shipp Cup, West Riding and Anglo-Scottish
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Post by AndySk on Aug 27, 2014 12:36:30 GMT 1
True but that is history, I was looking forward to this year. Which would you prefer - Man City away or Grimsby? TBF that Grimsby game was one of the best games last season, very enjoyable (doubt City away would've been!)
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Aug 27, 2014 12:49:32 GMT 1
If one were to really look at the staistics and compare league teams and standings it would confirm that Town are the WORST cup side since the war. I'd go further, Huddersfield has experienced the biggest downfall of any club since the war, taking into account success achieved pre-war.
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Post by dewsburyterrier on Aug 27, 2014 12:56:08 GMT 1
When I went to F.A. Cup quarter final in 1972 I wouldn't have thought that it was the last time we would get to that round. Same goes for when I went to the 1968 League Cup semi final second leg v Arsenal.
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Post by Marco4 on Aug 27, 2014 13:02:01 GMT 1
If one were to really look at the staistics and compare league teams and standings it would confirm that Town are the WORST cup side since the war. I'd go further, Huddersfield has experienced the biggest downfall of any club since the war, taking into account success achieved pre-war. I'd probably take Preston for that crown. Quick look at some figures says that no team that has reached 7 or more FA Cup semi-finals has a longer drought than Town's current one (since 1938/39), though a couple of the teams that got to 6 haven't done so since the 1800s.
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Post by stinkypete on Aug 27, 2014 13:02:36 GMT 1
We had the perfect oppurtunity to get to the FA Cup Semi Final last season. No we didn't, Charlton did not get to the semi so what makes it a perfect opportunity for us! That myth that we would have walked through to the semi is ridiculous.
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Aug 27, 2014 13:17:19 GMT 1
I'd go further, Huddersfield has experienced the biggest downfall of any club since the war, taking into account success achieved pre-war. I'd probably take Preston for that crown. No, Preston only won the League twice, and both times back in the 19th Century. They may have won the FA Cup twice, but again one of those times was in the 19th Century.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 27, 2014 13:26:22 GMT 1
Our League Cup record is particularly dire, in my 30 years of watching Town I have seen us reach the 3rd twice and only once have we progressed past that stage when we were diddled by Jeff Winter and his bad decision not to give a pen for the rugby tackle on Marcus Stewart by the Wimbledon defender. Maybe he is the ref from Saturday mentor.
FA Cup we've fared little better in that period too, the fifth round a few times against Wimbledon, Derby, Chelsea, Arsenal and Wigan.
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Post by Marco4 on Aug 27, 2014 13:30:48 GMT 1
I'd probably take Preston for that crown. No, Preston only won the League twice, and both times back in the 19th Century. They may have won the FA Cup twice, but again one of those times was in the 19th Century. I won't argue with that - I'd still take Preston; that team of the 1880s were far more dominant than Town ever were, and they racked up a fair few FA Cup Final defeats in their time, too. Would be an interesting question to put to fans of neither club.
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Post by andy112 on Aug 27, 2014 13:31:42 GMT 1
We keep getting crap draws recently. Teams in our division where it's a tough game that can go either way, even worse when its a team like Forest who are currently top and with a strong squad. Even when we get a Premier league team its a Wigan or Hull Yep, this. Every time we all sit around our computer or TV screens awaiting the draw... Charlton... Away... Again.
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Post by Five Lamps on Aug 27, 2014 13:36:14 GMT 1
No, Preston only won the League twice, and both times back in the 19th Century. They may have won the FA Cup twice, but again one of those times was in the 19th Century. I won't argue with that - I'd still take Preston; that team of the 1880s were far more dominant than Town ever were, and they racked up a fair few FA Cup Final defeats in their time, too. Would be an interesting question to put to fans of neither club. They certainly did! (Let's just forget about 1938...)
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Aug 27, 2014 13:47:54 GMT 1
No, Preston only won the League twice, and both times back in the 19th Century. They may have won the FA Cup twice, but again one of those times was in the 19th Century. I won't argue with that - I'd still take Preston; that team of the 1880s were far more dominant than Town ever were, and they racked up a fair few FA Cup Final defeats in their time, too. Would be an interesting question to put to fans of neither club. Nah, Huddersfield have still had the biggest downfall. Firstly, Preston won the league twice in the 1890's and came runners-up three times, obviously not as good as winning the league three times (in a row) and coming runners-up twice. Also, our achievements were 30 years later, ie. much closer to the war period. Secondly, Preston came runners-up in the League twice in the 1950's, and were also twice runners-up in the FA Cup after the war too.
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Post by Marco4 on Aug 27, 2014 13:58:22 GMT 1
Long ago and far away (about three years ago) I had look at this from the opposite perspective; about gathering success rather than failure. You can read that here
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Aug 27, 2014 14:09:53 GMT 1
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Post by gledholt terrier on Aug 27, 2014 14:13:00 GMT 1
Long ago and far away (about three years ago) I had look at this from the opposite perspective; about gathering success rather than failure. You can read that hereGood read that. I think the abolition of the maximum wage had far more to do with why the 2 clubs diverged so dramatically though (and I doubt Shankly would have made that much difference to Town post 1959). Very sobering statistics though - our "rightful" place would appear to be in the top half of the 3rd tier.
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Post by 007Berlin on Aug 27, 2014 14:15:38 GMT 1
When I went to F.A. Cup quarter final in 1972 I wouldn't have thought that it was the last time we would get to that round. Same goes for when I went to the 1968 League Cup semi final second leg v Arsenal. Old bastard / show off
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Post by Marco4 on Aug 27, 2014 14:23:47 GMT 1
Long ago and far away (about three years ago) I had look at this from the opposite perspective; about gathering success rather than failure. You can read that hereGood read that. I think the abolition of the maximum wage had far more to do with why the 2 clubs diverged so dramatically though (and I doubt Shankly would have made that much difference to Town post 1959). Very sobering statistics though - our "rightful" place would appear to be in the top half of the 3rd tier. Thanks; to be honest the Shankly thing is a convenient jumping off point. While it'd have been interesting to see how Town would have developed had he been backed as he'd wanted, I doubt - as you say - he would have been able to do a lot through the 60s.
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Post by Macjinx on Aug 27, 2014 14:39:43 GMT 1
We might not have got to the final stages very often, but cups have still provided me with great memories, Arsenal 2nd leg in the League Cup semi (already mentioned), the 4-2 against West Ham, the quarter final against Sheff Weds,biggest crowd I've been in at Leeds Road. I think we are just one of those teams that has the occasional moment of glory, but they dont come along very often. UTT, and I will take whatever comes along !
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Post by impact on Aug 27, 2014 15:55:11 GMT 1
We had the perfect oppurtunity to get to the FA Cup Semi Final last season. No we didn't, Charlton did not get to the semi so what makes it a perfect opportunity for us! That myth that we would have walked through to the semi is ridiculous. He didn't say we would walk it, but we will never have a kinder draw to get there.
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Post by stinkypete on Aug 27, 2014 17:27:49 GMT 1
No we didn't, Charlton did not get to the semi so what makes it a perfect opportunity for us! That myth that we would have walked through to the semi is ridiculous. He didn't say we would walk it, but we will never have a kinder draw to get there. It doesn't work like that in cup games tho does it? Anyone can beat anyone on the day, as Charlton found out in the next round!
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 27, 2014 17:39:20 GMT 1
I've watched Town for 40 years...
Can count on one hand the few little cup runs tbh.
Probably enjoyed the arsenal and Chelski games as much as any...
We are not a good cup team.
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Post by thrice on Aug 27, 2014 18:04:23 GMT 1
The cups are our chance to dream.
It does my bloody head in that we don't treat them accordingly.
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