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Post by otium (EPBS) on Sept 13, 2014 23:33:26 GMT 1
I support the NSL whole-heartedly but its a sticking plaster on a gaping wound. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON WHY THE SOUTH STAND SHOULD NOT BE THE HOME END!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This has become a "belief-system" by the club, authorities and Police. The fans are just taking it in the arse. Instead of the NSL we need a boycoott, a protest, a concerted pressure on all until we are given the proper home end. We will NEVER have real success without it...trust me on this one.
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Post by hypotenuse on Sept 13, 2014 23:49:44 GMT 1
Have to say (as a North Stand season ticket holder) that there was barely a sound from NSL throughout second half until Stead scored. Kilner Bank were better.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 0:08:47 GMT 1
I support the NSL whole-heartedly but its a sticking plaster on a gaping wound. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON WHY THE SOUTH STAND SHOULD NOT BE THE HOME END!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!This has become a "belief-system" by the club, authorities and Police. The fans are just taking it in the arse. Instead of the NSL we need a boycoott, a protest, a concerted pressure on all until we are given the proper home end. We will NEVER have real success without it...trust me on this one. I can't think of anything more embarrassing than having 800 people (tops) in a stand built for 4000
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Sept 14, 2014 0:22:17 GMT 1
I dont believe that would happen for a moment. I think it would be popular, dont 500 old-timers sit together in the bottom tier Riverside becuase of the away fans? Dont 500 sit together on the Kilner (South end) to sing at away fans? Dont several hundred go join the NSL? I sit upper tier when home, if the South stand was ours i would sit there. There would be at least 2000 every match...with a roof and the wind.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 0:27:39 GMT 1
I dont believe that would happen for a moment. I think it would be popular, dont 500 old-timers sit together in the bottom tier Riverside becuase of the away fans? Dont 500 sit together on the Kilner (South end) to sing at away fans?Dont several hundred go join the NSL? I sit upper tier when home, if the South stand was ours i would sit there. There would be at least 2000 every match...with a roof and the wind. So where are you putting the away fans?!
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Sept 14, 2014 0:28:55 GMT 1
In the away end...the North stand.
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Post by trevorhtfc on Sept 14, 2014 0:30:44 GMT 1
Think its more the fact that the fml is the worst stand in the stadium that puts people off going in. If people got behind the NSL maybe eventually we would have something like what the middlesbrough fans had today which looked a lot more entertaining and a better atmosphere than town fans ever produce in my 19 years of going to town games
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 0:32:28 GMT 1
In the away end...the North stand. So those 1000 people you single out for sitting where they do due to the proximity of the away fans would move to a stand as far away as possible from the away fans?!
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Sept 14, 2014 0:39:22 GMT 1
If we had a home end they would not choose to sit as near as the away fans as possible, the dynamics would change to the old home end at one far end and the away fans the other. Thats how its worked for a 100 years methinks. Look at most other grounds...thats normal.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 0:40:58 GMT 1
This from the club explains unequivocally why things are as they are re: away fans in the South Stand. It's not a mental block or an unwillingness to listen. It's cold, hard facts. Oti, please read it before telling me I'm just pandering to the club / WYP / Safety Group. For the foreseeable future, the North Stand is as good as it's going to get. And, to be honest, it's more than adequate for demand right now
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 0:44:29 GMT 1
If we had a home end they would not choose to sit as near as the away fans as possible, the dynamics would change to the old home end at one far end and the away fans the other. Thats how its worked for a 100 years methinks. Look at most other grounds...thats normal. But you can't on one hand claim you could make the South Stand financially viable because 1000 people like to sit close to the away fans, and then on the other suggest that that's not what those 1000 people really want at all!
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Post by thenuggett on Sept 14, 2014 0:49:59 GMT 1
I applaud the concept but didn't enjoy the experience. Dodging paper missiles and copping for a half full coca cola bottle wasn't my idea of a fun afternoon !
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Post by trevorhtfc on Sept 14, 2014 0:54:10 GMT 1
This from the club explains unequivocally why things are as they are re: away fans in the South Stand. It's not a mental block or an unwillingness to listen. It's cold, hard facts. Oti, please read it before telling me I'm just pandering to the club / WYP / Safety Group. For the foreseeable future, the North Stand is as good as it's going to get. And, to be honest, it's more than adequate for demand right now Don't think its a fair assessment of demand for the south stand by only having 800 in the north stand. The north stand is by far the worst stand with a crap roof and a crap view.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 1:00:06 GMT 1
This from the club explains unequivocally why things are as they are re: away fans in the South Stand. It's not a mental block or an unwillingness to listen. It's cold, hard facts. Oti, please read it before telling me I'm just pandering to the club / WYP / Safety Group. For the foreseeable future, the North Stand is as good as it's going to get. And, to be honest, it's more than adequate for demand right now Don't think its a fair assessment of demand for the south stand by only having 800 in the north stand. The north stand is by far the worst stand with a crap roof and a crap view. But every time the club has given us the South Stand it's never been anywhere near full - even when we only had half of it to fill. I know, I went in it a fair few times when the opportunity arose. However, it seems that, at home, people have got used to / enjoy having a 'side on' view. Away games are a different matter for different reasons. For now, demand has to be proven in the North Stand. The NSL have nothing but my full respect and support. If you want a 'home stand' (if you don't think the three we already have are home stands) your only hope is to get behind them. Don't wait for something to happen; make it happen.
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Post by trevorhtfc on Sept 14, 2014 1:10:21 GMT 1
Don't think its a fair assessment of demand for the south stand by only having 800 in the north stand. The north stand is by far the worst stand with a crap roof and a crap view. But every time the club has given us the South Stand it's never been anywhere near full - even when we only had half of it to fill. I know, I went in it a fair few times when the opportunity arose. However, it seems that, at home, people have got used to / enjoy having a 'side on' view. Away games are a different matter for different reasons. For now, demand has to be proven in the North Stand. The NSL have nothing but my full respect and support. If you want a 'home stand' (if you don't think the three we already have are home stands) your only hope is to get behind them. Don't wait for something to happen; make it happen. I agree completely about getting behind the NSL. I've been in there every game so far for the exact reason you've stated. As for when we had the south stand in league 1, often there was only a few days notice before the game and always for the small games when there were around 200 away fans. I'm pretty sure a south stand loyal would entice a lot more people, especially if there were away fans were at that end of the Britannia rescue.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Sept 14, 2014 1:24:43 GMT 1
This from the club explains unequivocally why things are as they are re: away fans in the South Stand. It's not a mental block or an unwillingness to listen. It's cold, hard facts. Oti, please read it before telling me I'm just pandering to the club / WYP / Safety Group. For the foreseeable future, the North Stand is as good as it's going to get. And, to be honest, it's more than adequate for demand right now Read it before...its blah, blah, blah Excuses. There is room for 500 coaches behind the North stand, in the car park, in the trading park, canalside, roadside and Rickys bar!! Toilets? there are even a dozen showers in the North stand. Its bullshit. Just been in Holland, saw 5000 cyclists and 100 on scooters...no-one wearing a helmet. Rules are to be broken, lets use common-sense. Safety my arse.
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Post by htfcsince70 on Sept 14, 2014 8:37:41 GMT 1
I think all those that go in the north stand lower are to be commended for giving it a go. It is just a shame that most of the noise generated drifts away - with no roof to capture and amplify the singing I dont think it will be any different - the back of the goal experience in the Cowshed worked because of the roof - believe me I have been in there when there werent many of us and we still made some noise! I was tempeted to go in yesterday but the view in my opinion is awful - its just too low to see the far end. I still think the upper section would be better in terms of generating the noise - I know the argument of being close to the pitch - but the roof would help and the view is better! Dont that lot at leeds use the upper section of behind the goal to be near the away fans and sing - in other words some clubs do use an upper teir for singing. Just a thought.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 8:58:18 GMT 1
People need to give it time. 3 league games and a cup match isn't long enough to judge. It's not an experiment either, it's here to stay. We have to create a demand for the south stand to prove to the club it's financially viable for us to be in it, it's got nothing to do with WYP or coaches. Bottom line is we need results on the pitch. Every stand was quiet yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 9:04:06 GMT 1
People need to give it time. 3 league games and a cup match isn't long enough to judge. It's not an experiment either, it's here to stay. We have to create a demand for the south stand to prove to the club it's financially viable for us to be in it, it's got nothing to do with WYP or coaches. Bottom line is we need results on the pitch. Every stand was quiet yesterday. I'm not sure how your apparent longer strategy of getting into the South Stand plays out. I for one, have ONLY been in the North Stand this season, but if the option to go into the South Stand came up, I wouldn't be moving. The South Stand is too far from the goal and not steep enough.... I've been in there before, and it felt cut off from the game compared to other stands where you can get closer to the action
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Post by swollentoe on Sept 14, 2014 9:05:18 GMT 1
There should be 3 singing sections 1 in each stand and all singing the same songs bouncing of each other.
Against Carlton there were 2 lads stood at the bottom of the stand getting everyone going that work brilliantly that's what it needs the masses need to be shown the way getting the whole stand going ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 9:12:19 GMT 1
People need to give it time. 3 league games and a cup match isn't long enough to judge. It's not an experiment either, it's here to stay. We have to create a demand for the south stand to prove to the club it's financially viable for us to be in it, it's got nothing to do with WYP or coaches. Bottom line is we need results on the pitch. Every stand was quiet yesterday. I'm not sure how your apparent longer strategy of getting into the South Stand plays out. I for one, have ONLY been in the North Stand this season, but if the option to go into the South Stand came up, I wouldn't be moving. The South Stand is too far from the goal and not steep enough.... I've been in there before, and it felt cut off from the game compared to other stands where you can get closer to the action Not everybody holds that opinion of the south stand mate. Same for the north stand, a lot dislike the view and exposure. There's no strategy, it's just small steps. We all love a moan at Huddersfield, but we need results on the pitch because there's not a great deal to chant and sing about currently.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 14, 2014 9:20:05 GMT 1
I started the thread and didn't mean to belittle those people who have joined in the experiment, it just isn't working. The effect has been to thin out the kilner bank singing section to the point where it's now barely a singing section.Those people who go in the north stand are great. The banners are brill and you were jumping around and looked like you were singing but I couldn't hear a peep. It isn't working cos those in the kilner are still sulking at being left behind. Maybe you could start a thread asking them why they don't want to join in the experiment? I don't think anyone in the Kilner bank is sulking. I support the idea of NSL but its been poorly executed if you want my honest opinion and by that I mean, its in the wrong stand. It should have been located to the Kilner Bank stand by the away fans. I won't go in the north stand because its too shallow, the view isn't that great and its open to the elements and worse of all any atmosphere generated is lost due to no roof keeping it in. The experiment has diluted the atmosphere in the ground. In principle its a good idea, its in the wrong stand.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 14, 2014 9:22:02 GMT 1
Well done to the NSL for trying, I'm afraid I prefer the side on view. Very quiet yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 9:28:46 GMT 1
Well done to the NSL for trying, I'm afraid I prefer the side on view. Very quiet yesterday. Don't worry Nick, the Kilner bank was very quiet also.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 9:29:02 GMT 1
I was stood about 20ft from Jonathon Stead when he scored yesterday. The view was fanblooodytastic.
I also knew Boro's first was in the net before most of the ground. Cracking strike.
The view is what it is, I don't go to the football to make an assessment of how the players have played, pass completion, yards covered etc. I go to enjoy myself, I could see from my "shit view" on the 6th row that we were a bit crap in the 2nd half, I don't need to be sat bang on the halfway line to come to that conclusion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 9:29:20 GMT 1
It isn't working cos those in the kilner are still sulking at being left behind. Maybe you could start a thread asking them why they don't want to join in the experiment? I don't think anyone in the Kilner bank is sulking. I support the idea of NSL but its been poorly executed if you want my honest opinion and by that I mean, its in the wrong stand. It should have been located to the Kilner Bank stand by the away fans. I won't go in the north stand because its too shallow, the view isn't that great and its open to the elements and worse of all any atmosphere generated is lost due to no roof keeping it in. The experiment has diluted the atmosphere in the ground. In principle its a good idea, its in the wrong stand. What other solution is there Andy?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 9:33:21 GMT 1
I don't think anyone in the Kilner bank is sulking. I support the idea of NSL but its been poorly executed if you want my honest opinion and by that I mean, its in the wrong stand. It should have been located to the Kilner Bank stand by the away fans. I won't go in the north stand because its too shallow, the view isn't that great and its open to the elements and worse of all any atmosphere generated is lost due to no roof keeping it in. The experiment has diluted the atmosphere in the ground. In principle its a good idea, its in the wrong stand. What other solution is there Andy? Nobody is stopping the fans that go in the Kilner, from raising thousands of pounds to purchase flags, streamers, ticker tape, contact the media, hundreds of PM's and emails between themselves, the club, and suppliers. We were located in that corner for years, and it was poor, and personally I would have had no interest in setting up a home end in the corner by the away fans. I prefer it behind the goal, where it has to be. By the way Ben, I know I've quoted your post, I'm obviously responding to Arterrier.
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Post by benmsmith4 on Sept 14, 2014 9:54:42 GMT 1
Everyone keeps talking about the NSL in terms of what it does for the atmosphere at the ground. However for me personally the whole point of the NSL is enjoying myself at a football game for a change, regardless of whether anyone can hear me or not. Yes, it got a bit shit yesterday but as others have said its what happens on the pitch that often dictates the atmosphere.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 10:10:01 GMT 1
Everyone keeps talking about the NSL in terms of what it does for the atmosphere at the ground. However for me personally the whole point of the NSL is enjoying myself at a football game for a change, regardless of whether anyone can hear me or not. Yes, it got a bit shit yesterday but as others have said its what happens on the pitch that often dictates the atmosphere. I agree Ben, if somebody that sits quietly in the Kilner bank isn't happy with the atmosphere, its tough shit. The goal celebrations when Steady scored yesterday were epic, and had we held out for appoint, I guarantee half the criticism of the efforts of the NSL wouldn't have been brayed out on the keyboards of Huddersfield. It was quiet in there yesterday in the 2nd half, but it would have been worse (for me) to be stood in the Kilner watching some fat lad showing his tits to the boro fans. We'll get there, early days yet and we have to learn from the bad days, but we will.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 10:22:07 GMT 1
tbf 50,000 behind the goal would struggle to make some noise untill the team stops serving up dogshite in front of them
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