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Post by shawsie on Sept 21, 2014 11:11:47 GMT 1
You have a pool though graham - I have seen the pics. Plenty of strange bikini clad males in it too!!!!
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Post by OldRastrickian on Sept 21, 2014 11:12:21 GMT 1
Does anybody else have a balcony? All Town fans should have a balcony....something convenient to jump off.......:-{
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 11:15:10 GMT 1
You have a pool though graham - I have seen the pics. Plenty of strange bikini clad males in it too!!!! Nowt wrong with putting the wifes swimming costume on and bombing into a pool on a chilly September Saturday evening Jon. Do it every week.
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Post by nicovaesen on Sept 21, 2014 11:15:33 GMT 1
i It wasent anything horrible. Yeah I do it runs the whole length of my flat. Never use it. Too cold up north That's a good balcony wasted. Too busy reading the drivel on DATM ?
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Post by nicovaesen on Sept 21, 2014 11:17:18 GMT 1
I think it's technically a terrace Town terrace?
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 21, 2014 11:19:11 GMT 1
I think it's technically a terrace A terrace!! Penthouse flat then? Ha. It is, but why I originally said balcony, so not to come across a knob (or even bigger one). If only I lived the stereotypical lifestyle, rather than one where I'm reading shit on here, sorting my fantasy league team and then off to Morrisons
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Post by shawsie on Sept 21, 2014 11:19:27 GMT 1
Usual knee jerk guff from keyboard warriors!!! I feel for dean Hoyle right now - if I were him I'd call a halt to flying to games and all the other privileges this pampered group of overpaid players has......and give em back only when they earn em!!!!! The players got a standing ovation v charlton for a draw involving a last minute goal conceded - why?! Because they put a top shift in and played some decent stuff - no more no less! The last few months at home have bordered between dire and pathetic - dull, lifeless, insipid drivel with the odd snippet of quality. It's not good enough and the fans have had enough........don't blame dean though. The players keep telling us they will be up for the next one and 'ready for the challenges ahead' - oh yes lads, and there will be blue snow in the morning! Time for the players to man up - stop blaming the chairman, board and manager - yes they have all made mistakes, but nowhere near as many as the players who all command good money to play at this level and are performing at a level way below that which is required or they are capable!!!!
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 21, 2014 11:31:33 GMT 1
Does anybody else have a balcony? No, I don't have a balcony either.
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Post by aideybabes on Sept 21, 2014 11:32:48 GMT 1
Agree our players need a rocket! I went yesterday and it was bloody dyer.
However critising the chairmen isn't gonna help is it, some of our lot have short memories, do you remember the likes of Goodwin, Parker and Butler to name a few that were signed when Mr Burns was chairman? It wouldn't surprise me if DH gets pissed off with the boo boys and puts us up for sale soon, don't get me wrong I'm not a DH happy clapper and some of his decisions I do not agree with but he's the bloke putting the brass in trying to move is forward.
Yes, we as paying fans can voice our opinion, I was livid yesterday and thinking 'why do I bother'' but it's the players that need a bloody rocket, if they aren't doing what they are being coached to do what can DH actually do? They're sitting tight on long contracts and get paid whatever.. It's time to get tough with them and make them play with a bit of fear, passion and desire and if they do something wrong they get a bollocking for it and it's made sure that the mistake made doesn't happen again.. After all if we did something wrong in our job we'd get a bollocking wouldn't we.. We are too soft with them!
We do need a couple of decent striking options to support wells, he's not getting service so will not score.
We MUST go back to the basics and put a defensive errors correct, the first goal yesterday was a shambles.. All Lynch had to do is smash the ball out of play.. Tried to piss about with it and got caught out!
Onto millwall next Saturday!
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 21, 2014 11:33:31 GMT 1
I feel sorry for him tbh. Made us a magnificent training ground.
The players need a kick up the arse.
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Post by detox on Sept 21, 2014 11:34:43 GMT 1
Can I just say that we do need a new striker (or two preferably )..and we need them like yesterday...the club have said for months we are in the market for a striker, but Powell was quoted recently as saying we might now start to have a look ..So who's telling porkies ?
Either we are looking for strikers or we are not, which is it ?
As for dean opening his wallet, well I thought we had about £2m in the bank from the sale of Clayton and Norwood...can we not use that money to fund the wages of some loanees.?
The problem doesn't go away though as loanees have to go back at the end of the loan period, as per beckford...so the issue will raise it's head again in january or next summer...and I suspect this is what Dean is pondering over, pay for loanees now then either buy or loan again...or sit tight until january and hope we can skip the loanee bit and buy. The slight problem with that possible strategy is that we could be all but relegated by january and our transfer options would be severely limited.
It's all easy for me to say, I know, I'm not looking at the clubs accounts and balancing them with FFP...but declining gates from stay away fans isn't going to help.
I'm just nipping out to the balcony with my coffee now..
or is a terrace ??
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 21, 2014 11:38:18 GMT 1
I feel sorry for him tbh. Made us a magnificent training ground.The players need a kick up the arse. This is a moot point for me, we might have a great training ground, nothing is won by having a great training ground, great training ground but a shit first team. There is too much back slapping down at Town and self congratulating over the training ground and how far we've come. The club seem more interested in spin of late, instead of doing what is needed to keep to club competitive and the most important thing, keep the club in this league. Its all when and good Hoyle chuckling about how we've had Middlesbrough's pants down, but Middlesbrough aren't 3rd bottom of the league are they?
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Post by Floyds on Sept 21, 2014 11:38:35 GMT 1
In answer to the initial question, not sure it's Hoyle, but the Board (as a whole) really do deserve criticism for the way the manager / signings (lack thereof) have been handled.
We should have sacked Robins after Watford last season, appointed someone in the summer who could bring his own players in and work with them in pre season.
And we should have done everything possible to bring a striker in to play alongside Wells.
Stead/Paterson/Carr/Bunn/an injured Vaughan wouldn't get 10 goals between them in League One, never mind the Championship.
Shocking mismanagement to expect that because we gambled and won last season, and the season before, that we'd be able to do it again.
If nothing is done on the striker situaion then we'll well and truly deserve to go down.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 11:56:19 GMT 1
As far as I can see he does not manage the team he has ploughed millions into our club to build a solid foundation, without going down the Clarke and Grayson road It was if my memory served me correctly it was Robins who brought Stead and Patterson in last year and they are simply not good enough DH did not pick these two forwards MR did and DH supported his manager. Also it was not DH who turned out such a spineless performance yesterday it was the overpaid bunch of freeloaders who need the biggest rocket to make them start earning the wages they are paid. If any complaint is to be levelled at the board in my opinion,it it one of selling your best players Rhodes,Clayton,Pilkington,Norwood all want to better themselves and they feel that this can be done away from Huddersfield. I fully understand DH has to do the best for the club when the contract situation of a player dictates action is required,but you simply cannot sell you best players and replace them with ones not as good and expect to do anything else other than struggle. I am not certain how to solve the problem but we need to create a situation at the club were the good player want to stay and try to get Huddersfield promoted to the Premiership and it appears to me that we either pay more money (which we cannot afford) or perhaps we put longer contracts on the table and take a risk with the players,this way the likes of Clayton and Norwood may still be with us,or subsequently we would have received higher transfer fee's for them allowing is to find suitable replacements. As I said in the title I don't see why we are blaming Dean and I think if he had pulled on a shirt yesterday he would have at least tried harder than most of the players on the pitch. Dean Hoyle has and his a great asset to the club but in my thread dont blame the manager i said things needed to be asked at the top and although i agree the youth policy is correct its battlehardened players which will get us out of this mess and we have not got enough of them Coady Robinson and otheres will go on to be good players but we are a soft touch and it needs addressing and if it costs so be it the alternative is relegation. Powell knows it and so do many more I think Dean will too.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Sept 21, 2014 14:14:54 GMT 1
As a matter of interest , can anybody give an exact figure of how much Town have spent on players this season and what is the budget. No. I bet you've got a nice balcony though, overlooking the sea in Torquay? Paignton on the English riviera . Yep got a pool and balcony that overlooks Torquay,Paignton and Brixham but given the choice , i would swap it for a 3 bed semi overlooking the idyllic river calder in lower hopton.
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Post by workshyfop on Sept 21, 2014 14:22:38 GMT 1
I feel sorry for him tbh. Made us a magnificent training ground.The players need a kick up the arse. This is a moot point for me, we might have a great training ground, nothing is won by having a great training ground, great training ground but a shit first team. There is too much back slapping down at Town and self congratulating over the training ground and how far we've come. The club seem more interested in spin of late, instead of doing what is needed to keep to club competitive and the most important thing, keep the club in this league. Its all when and good Hoyle chuckling about how we've had Middlesbrough's pants down, but Middlesbrough aren't 3rd bottom of the league are they? Spot on. While we all appreciate how much Hoyle has done for the club, he does us no favours in the media/public forums. He's quick to take the plaudits, but when it goes wrong it's never his fault. He has slated ex-managers, members of the current playing staff, other clubs' transfer dealings, etc.
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Sept 21, 2014 14:31:00 GMT 1
Usual knee jerk guff from keyboard warriors!!! I feel for dean Hoyle right now - if I were him I'd call a halt to flying to games and all the other privileges this pampered group of overpaid players has......and give em back only when they earn em!!!!! The players got a standing ovation v charlton for a draw involving a last minute goal conceded - why?! Because they put a top shift in and played some decent stuff - no more no less!The last few months at home have bordered between dire and pathetic - dull, lifeless, insipid drivel with the odd snippet of quality. It's not good enough and the fans have had enough........don't blame dean though. The players keep telling us they will be up for the next one and 'ready for the challenges ahead' - oh yes lads, and there will be blue snow in the morning! Time for the players to man up - stop blaming the chairman, board and manager - yes they have all made mistakes, but nowhere near as many as the players who all command good money to play at this level and are performing at a level way below that which is required or they are capable!!!! agree its the players
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 14:32:55 GMT 1
I feel sorry for him tbh. Made us a magnificent training ground.The players need a kick up the arse. This is a moot point for me, we might have a great training ground, nothing is won by having a great training ground, great training ground but a shit first team. There is too much back slapping down at Town and self congratulating over the training ground and how far we've come. The club seem more interested in spin of late, instead of doing what is needed to keep to club competitive and the most important thing, keep the club in this league. Its all when and good Hoyle chuckling about how we've had Middlesbrough's pants down, but Middlesbrough aren't 3rd bottom of the league are they? Really don't understand this argument regarding the training ground. It seems to hinge on the premise that you can either have a great training ground or great players. Why would this be the case? We may complain about some of the players we have now, but the better ones we have (Coady, Wells) or the ones we've had (Clayton, Rhodes, Pilkington) wouldn't have come here if we couldn't demonstrate to them that we could improve them as players. Improved training facilities were essential to this.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 14:38:12 GMT 1
The training ground is a fixed asset of the club, it makes the club more attractive to potential investors. We need that cos we've got the biggest bunch of fickle supporters in the league. Imagine if we had no training ground, and a shit team as well, which would be just as likely as the current situation.
Folk moaning about investing in property, really. do you all live in rented accommodation and spend all your brass on beer and fags, or do you have a mortgage and a plan to secure your future?
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Post by York Terrier on Sept 21, 2014 14:55:12 GMT 1
The training ground is a fixed asset of the club, it makes the club more attractive to potential investors. We need that cos we've got the biggest bunch of fickle supporters in the league. Imagine if we had no training ground, and a shit team as well, which would be just as likely as the current situation. Folk moaning about investing in property, really. do you all live in rented accommodation and spend all your brass on beer and fags, or do you have a mortgage and a plan to secure your future? Mel Why do you feel the need to be so patronising ?just make your point and don't be- little others perhaps not as fortunate as you
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 14:57:21 GMT 1
The training ground is a fixed asset of the club, it makes the club more attractive to potential investors. We need that cos we've got the biggest bunch of fickle supporters in the league. Imagine if we had no training ground, and a shit team as well, which would be just as likely as the current situation. Folk moaning about investing in property, really. do you all live in rented accommodation and spend all your brass on beer and fags, or do you have a mortgage and a plan to secure your future? Mel Why do you feel the need to be so patronising ?just make your point and don't be- little others perhaps not as fortunate as you I'm not patronising anybody! I'm trying to explain the reasons we have purchased a training facility.
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Post by starchaser on Sept 21, 2014 14:57:43 GMT 1
I am blaming Dean Hoyle because: As owner he sold Rhodes for 8 plus million (a goal scoring machine)& replaced him with what!! Sold Clayton & Norwood & replaced with what!! Pilkington,Arfield have also gone on to bigger & better things than us. When people talk about him putting millions in...where exactly? Canalside - what use is this overrated facility. He has allowed Ross Wilson to bring in some absolute sh1te players who can't or won't perform & therefore are worse than what we sold or already have. His key decision making in hiring & firing managers & the choice of manager are questionable to say the least. Other clubs are continuously turning out great young talent from their academies, breaking into their 1st team making a name fir themselves & club like Redfern is doing for Leeds & yet we continuously produce academy players only good enough to be shipped out to league 1&2 to teams like Bury, hardly progress! There's loads of other things wrong with our club but it comes from within at the top & lets not be totally all brainwashed into thinking Dean Hoyle has put millions in & taken nothing out. He has simply offset some of the millions received as mentioned for above players & not replaced with similar investment in the squad. Whereas many other championship clubs & owners have backed managers strengthening squads to not only compete, play good, exciting football to watch but also seem to have an ethos coming from within their clubs of unity, togetherness, pride & passion. This is probably why we hardly ever even get a mention on the football league show like the Watford, Reading, Boro, Leeds, Charlton, Forest, Derby, etc etc even Millwall. We are a totally un - exciting team/club with no identity or nothing about us, going nowhere. Fans deserting in big numbers & a total lack of atmosphere at ground with nothing for fans get excited by at all. Thanks Mr Hoyle. For everything & Nothing!
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 21, 2014 15:14:00 GMT 1
This is a moot point for me, we might have a great training ground, nothing is won by having a great training ground, great training ground but a shit first team. There is too much back slapping down at Town and self congratulating over the training ground and how far we've come. The club seem more interested in spin of late, instead of doing what is needed to keep to club competitive and the most important thing, keep the club in this league. Its all when and good Hoyle chuckling about how we've had Middlesbrough's pants down, but Middlesbrough aren't 3rd bottom of the league are they? Really don't understand this argument regarding the training ground. It seems to hinge on the premise that you can either have a great training ground or great players. Why would this be the case? We may complain about some of the players we have now, but the better ones we have (Coady, Wells) or the ones we've had (Clayton, Rhodes, Pilkington) wouldn't have come here if we couldn't demonstrate to them that we could improve them as players. Improved training facilities were essential to this. Not saying that the training facilities aren't important, they are, very important. My point is that some fans and the club hold it aloft as some kind trophy. There probably isn't a club in our division who doesn't have the same quality training facility. Its the norm nowadays, not the exception. Don't keep trotting it out as some kind of jewel in the crown.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Sept 21, 2014 15:19:09 GMT 1
Mel Why do you feel the need to be so patronising ?just make your point and don't be- little others perhaps not as fortunate as you I'm not patronising anybody! I'm trying to explain the reasons we have purchased a training facility. Mel -- Do you live in Mirfield ??
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Post by Larry David on Sept 21, 2014 15:21:55 GMT 1
Really don't understand this argument regarding the training ground. It seems to hinge on the premise that you can either have a great training ground or great players. Why would this be the case? We may complain about some of the players we have now, but the better ones we have (Coady, Wells) or the ones we've had (Clayton, Rhodes, Pilkington) wouldn't have come here if we couldn't demonstrate to them that we could improve them as players. Improved training facilities were essential to this. Not saying that the training facilities aren't important, they are, very important. My point is that some fans and the club hold it aloft as some kind trophy. There probably isn't a club in our division who doesn't have the same quality training facility. Its the norm nowadays, not the exception. Don't keep trotting it out as some kind of jewel in the crown. Bingo. What's so good about it anyway? It's a portacabin at the back and basically a gym/cafe at the front. I doubt any championship club has a facility much worse than ours anyway? The pitches are good, so they bloody well should be. Time for the board to stop bragging about how much they get for players, dicking about in the transfer market and deliver in the department 99% of the fans pay their money for....the 1st team. The way this season has panned out is entirely the fault of the board. It's no wonder the players are confused. They have had 3 managers this season. It's shambolic
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 21, 2014 15:39:57 GMT 1
I guess its fair enough to laud the future building that's gone on at the club. Its also fair enough for the fans who have to pay to watch the shite on show now, to stop going until we reach this fantastic 'future' we will then have a terrific training ground and a decent first team and everyone will be happy?? unfortunately Dean will have to take a massive hit in income till the promised land appears but as its his plan, he should be prepared for that, shouldn't he?. He is a liefelong town fan and he surely knows that when we are shit only the die hards go regularly, always been so... As I said after the wigan game, nobody else will look as disinterested at winning as they did and as soon as we concede we are almost certainly going to lose the game, its just a question of by how many, whilst its Huddersfield Town 0. No shots on target yesterday is a pretty frightening statistic. Lots of clubs with less to spend than others in different divisions have very good seasons, why cant Town? we have a great owner and a great training facility? ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 15:50:00 GMT 1
I am blaming Dean Hoyle because: As owner he sold Rhodes for 8 plus million (a goal scoring machine)& replaced him with what!! Sold Clayton & Norwood & replaced with what!! Pilkington,Arfield have also gone on to bigger & better things than us. When people talk about him putting millions in...where exactly? Canalside - what use is this overrated facility. He has allowed Ross Wilson to bring in some absolute sh1te players who can't or won't perform & therefore are worse than what we sold or already have. His key decision making in hiring & firing managers & the choice of manager are questionable to say the least. Other clubs are continuously turning out great young talent from their academies, breaking into their 1st team making a name fir themselves & club like Redfern is doing for Leeds & yet we continuously produce academy players only good enough to be shipped out to league 1&2 to teams like Bury, hardly progress! There's loads of other things wrong with our club but it comes from within at the top & lets not be totally all brainwashed into thinking Dean Hoyle has put millions in & taken nothing out. He has simply offset some of the millions received as mentioned for above players & not replaced with similar investment in the squad. Whereas many other championship clubs & owners have backed managers strengthening squads to not only compete, play good, exciting football to watch but also seem to have an ethos coming from within their clubs of unity, togetherness, pride & passion. This is probably why we hardly ever even get a mention on the football league show like the Watford, Reading, Boro, Leeds, Charlton, Forest, Derby, etc etc even Millwall. We are a totally un - exciting team/club with no identity or nothing about us, going nowhere. Fans deserting in big numbers & a total lack of atmosphere at ground with nothing for fans get excited by at all. Thanks Mr Hoyle. For everything & Nothing! ON ONE ISSUE YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD POINT I KNOW ONE PRO WHO HAD IS LADS AT TOWN THOUGHT THE COACHING WAS OLD SCHOOL THEY ARENOW AT MAN CITY. WE DONT PRODUCEPLAYERS WHO ARE GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP ENOUGH BUT ON YOUR OTHER POINTS I THINK YOU ARE WRONG AND UNFAIR ON DEAN.
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Post by Larry David on Sept 21, 2014 15:51:51 GMT 1
I am blaming Dean Hoyle because: As owner he sold Rhodes for 8 plus million (a goal scoring machine)& replaced him with what!! Sold Clayton & Norwood & replaced with what!! Pilkington,Arfield have also gone on to bigger & better things than us. When people talk about him putting millions in...where exactly? Canalside - what use is this overrated facility. He has allowed Ross Wilson to bring in some absolute sh1te players who can't or won't perform & therefore are worse than what we sold or already have. His key decision making in hiring & firing managers & the choice of manager are questionable to say the least. Other clubs are continuously turning out great young talent from their academies, breaking into their 1st team making a name fir themselves & club like Redfern is doing for Leeds & yet we continuously produce academy players only good enough to be shipped out to league 1&2 to teams like Bury, hardly progress! There's loads of other things wrong with our club but it comes from within at the top & lets not be totally all brainwashed into thinking Dean Hoyle has put millions in & taken nothing out. He has simply offset some of the millions received as mentioned for above players & not replaced with similar investment in the squad. Whereas many other championship clubs & owners have backed managers strengthening squads to not only compete, play good, exciting football to watch but also seem to have an ethos coming from within their clubs of unity, togetherness, pride & passion. This is probably why we hardly ever even get a mention on the football league show like the Watford, Reading, Boro, Leeds, Charlton, Forest, Derby, etc etc even Millwall. We are a totally un - exciting team/club with no identity or nothing about us, going nowhere. Fans deserting in big numbers & a total lack of atmosphere at ground with nothing for fans get excited by at all. Thanks Mr Hoyle. For everything & Nothing! ON ONE ISSUE YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD POINT I KNOW ONE PRO WHO HAD IS LADS AT TOWN THOUGHT THE COACHING WAS OLD SCHOOL THEY ARENOW AT MAN CITY. WE DONT PRODUCEPLAYERS WHO ARE GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP ENOUGH BUT ON YOUR OTHER POINTS I THINK YOU ARE WRONG AND UNFAIR ON DEAN. Loud noises
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 21, 2014 16:18:11 GMT 1
3rd season in this division and we look less prepared and ready as a first team than we did when we first arrived.
during that period of time we have sold and bought players and have spent much less than we have brought in.
now we have ffp, but prior to that being the main consideration we still didn't spend more than we brought in. Struggling to think of any side that goes up a division and sells more than they bring in???
Yeovil even spent more than they brought in.
yes we came into the division with debt, everyone does, ask Bournemouth.
If Dean is seriously going to ask everyone to come with him into this 'bright future' then full honesty might be a better way of going about it but he will not get the extra bums on seats we need and he really should know that and he should have been ready for it and the flak that was surely going to come his way..
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Sept 21, 2014 16:19:10 GMT 1
I am blaming Dean Hoyle because: As owner he sold Rhodes for 8 plus million (a goal scoring machine)& replaced him with what!! Sold Clayton & Norwood & replaced with what!! Pilkington,Arfield have also gone on to bigger & better things than us. When people talk about him putting millions in...where exactly? Canalside - what use is this overrated facility. He has allowed Ross Wilson to bring in some absolute sh1te players who can't or won't perform & therefore are worse than what we sold or already have. His key decision making in hiring & firing managers & the choice of manager are questionable to say the least. Other clubs are continuously turning out great young talent from their academies, breaking into their 1st team making a name fir themselves & club like Redfern is doing for Leeds & yet we continuously produce academy players only good enough to be shipped out to league 1&2 to teams like Bury, hardly progress! There's loads of other things wrong with our club but it comes from within at the top & lets not be totally all brainwashed into thinking Dean Hoyle has put millions in & taken nothing out. He has simply offset some of the millions received as mentioned for above players & not replaced with similar investment in the squad. Whereas many other championship clubs & owners have backed managers strengthening squads to not only compete, play good, exciting football to watch but also seem to have an ethos coming from within their clubs of unity, togetherness, pride & passion. This is probably why we hardly ever even get a mention on the football league show like the Watford, Reading, Boro, Leeds, Charlton, Forest, Derby, etc etc even Millwall. We are a totally un - exciting team/club with no identity or nothing about us, going nowhere. Fans deserting in big numbers & a total lack of atmosphere at ground with nothing for fans get excited by at all. Thanks Mr Hoyle. For everything & Nothing! All those players you mention wanted to go, so i suppose you blame Dean Hoyle for that too. Some people have very short memories, if it wasn't for DH, we would still be playing the likes of Colchester, Stevenage ect and at east were not massively in debt like most clubs in this division.
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