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Post by John Smith on Oct 19, 2014 16:44:24 GMT 1
The Boro fans prefer Clayton.
I think it's about winning, personally.
We all like Butterfield because we're doing well right now. Just as they like Clayton at present.
The Boro fans all said Jacob was quality, but that the manager there didn't rate him, or that he didn't fit their system. None of them doubted his ability.
In my opinion, I think we've got the better deal. Financially, and in terms of the player. I liked Clayton, but I already prefer Butterfield and I still don't think we've seen anywhere near the best of this lad. I love watching him. He must have had the most touches of the ball yesterday, such was his involvement. He always wants the ball. Sometimes, he'll ask for it, then move it on straight away. Some folk will think "why's he done that?" but if you watch him, he moves straight into more space. Again, he'll ask for it, play another pass, and so on. He's working the ball constantly. Making the ball do the work. The opposition are never sure what's going to happen.
Weird yesterday. I had a couple of blokes my age next to me who were over critical of him throughout. Then behind me, a few youngsters who couldn't get enough of him. I see it like the youngsters did. The blokes had a pop at him for something second half. Can't recall exactly what happened, but Jacob dispossessed their winger near his own box, then charged forward until he was met by an opponent and so he offloaded it. These blokes were annoyed that he'd done that. Bizarre. "Should have kept going, took em on" they said. Aye, course he should have. He's not that type of player. They can't all dribble through players like Scannell, or fly past folk like Bunn. Butterfield is about possession. He rarely loses it, be it in a tackle or by giving it away with his passing. He links the deeper two in midfield with Holt, which gives the wingers freedom, exposing the opponents full backs.
He's deadly accurate at shooting though. Seriously, he near enough always hits the target. I just wish he'd shoot more to be honest. Although, that was probably his only real chance, the one he buried, first time. Then he's not bad at set pieces either. He must have put at least 5 beauties straight onto Hudson's head the last few weeks, but none have gone in. With both feet too! Unique that, surely? Can't say I can think of anybody else doing it.
He gets stuck in though as well. Does a lot more defensive work than I envisaged he would do after reading/hearing reports of him from Boro and Barnsley fans. I was expecting a lightweight playmaker who rarely broke sweat. But the lad is a grafter. Marry talent with graft and you're looking at a special player. A player as I say, I don't think we've yet seen at his very best. Not had much football since leaving Barnsley, had a bad injury. But he's playing week in, week out here and so yes, I think we've got a great deal. I also wish Clayton all the best at Boro. Win/win really.
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Post by burgerhitsthebar on Oct 19, 2014 17:06:50 GMT 1
OP nailed it always looking to get involved and make an impact with or without the ball. He's making us tick and plays a part in everything. Clayton could go missing for a couple of months JBs at it every minute no contest great bit of business by the club.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 17:17:11 GMT 1
Clayton shone in a shit midfield, he would be a passenger playing with Coady and Butterfield, even with Hogg if he keeps it up 'Even' Hogg. He's been the best of the three for the last two games. In time to come, sure Coady will be the main man. Coady is going to be a fabulous player. Keeps it all very simple.
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Post by ritchie on Oct 19, 2014 17:25:18 GMT 1
think clayton had a touch more class, but butterfield is a better all rounder. hard to say as i think clayton would have been quality next to coady
either way, our midfield and bank balance is far better off than last season
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Oct 19, 2014 17:33:12 GMT 1
As a side note, on the FL show I notice that Jordan Ibe went past Norwood like he wasn't even there for Derby's third yesterday. Anyone know what the Reading fans are making of him?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 17:40:31 GMT 1
As a side note, on the FL show I notice that Jordan Ibe went past Norwood like he wasn't even there for Derby's third yesterday. Anyone know what the Reading fans are making of him? And then he ran away from the scene of the crime pretty quickly so as not to cop the blame.
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Oct 19, 2014 18:27:47 GMT 1
The Boro fans prefer Clayton. I think it's about winning, personally. We all like Butterfield because we're doing well right now. Just as they like Clayton at present. The Boro fans all said Jacob was quality, but that the manager there didn't rate him, or that he didn't fit their system. None of them doubted his ability. In my opinion, I think we've got the better deal. Financially, and in terms of the player. I liked Clayton, but I already prefer Butterfield and I still don't think we've seen anywhere near the best of this lad. I love watching him. He must have had the most touches of the ball yesterday, such was his involvement. He always wants the ball. Sometimes, he'll ask for it, then move it on straight away. Some folk will think "why's he done that?" but if you watch him, he moves straight into more space. Again, he'll ask for it, play another pass, and so on. He's working the ball constantly. Making the ball do the work. The opposition are never sure what's going to happen. Weird yesterday. I had a couple of blokes my age next to me who were over critical of him throughout. Then behind me, a few youngsters who couldn't get enough of him. I see it like the youngsters did. The blokes had a pop at him for something second half. Can't recall exactly what happened, but Jacob dispossessed their winger near his own box, then charged forward until he was met by an opponent and so he offloaded it. These blokes were annoyed that he'd done that. Bizarre. "Should have kept going, took em on" they said. Aye, course he should have. He's not that type of player. They can't all dribble through players like Scannell, or fly past folk like Bunn. Butterfield is about possession. He rarely loses it, be it in a tackle or by giving it away with his passing. He links the deeper two in midfield with Holt, which gives the wingers freedom, exposing the opponents full backs. He's deadly accurate at shooting though. Seriously, he near enough always hits the target. I just wish he'd shoot more to be honest. Although, that was probably his only real chance, the one he buried, first time. Then he's not bad at set pieces either. He must have put at least 5 beauties straight onto Hudson's head the last few weeks, but none have gone in. With both feet too! Unique that, surely? Can't say I can think of anybody else doing it. He gets stuck in though as well. Does a lot more defensive work than I envisaged he would do after reading/hearing reports of him from Boro and Barnsley fans. I was expecting a lightweight playmaker who rarely broke sweat. But the lad is a grafter. Marry talent with graft and you're looking at a special player. A player as I say, I don't think we've yet seen at his very best. Not had much football since leaving Barnsley, had a bad injury. But he's playing week in, week out here and so yes, I think we've got a great deal. I also wish Clayton all the best at Boro. Win/win really. UTT Pilks used to put in corners with both feet too. Butterfields delivery is ok but sometimes needs to hit them with more pace.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 18:27:57 GMT 1
Works harder, two footed, more mobile. but probably not quite as technically talented. Seems less likely to be a player who will try too much 25 yards from our own goal and cock up...does his tricks in the rght area.
Two different players. Incomparable.
He really needs to work on his set piece delivery though.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Nov 1, 2014 19:28:20 GMT 1
Rolls Royce performance from Butterfield today. In the last 10 minutes he made at least 3 lung bursting dribbles at pace deep into the first half. Not quite as good technically as Clayton but a far better athlete, more tenacious and driven and seems like a real team man. An absolutely key man at the minute.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 1, 2014 19:33:14 GMT 1
Shit hot today.
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Post by TheDalaiPharmer on Nov 1, 2014 19:36:59 GMT 1
I wouldn't say Butterfield vs Clayton, but Butterfield and Coady vs Clayton and Norwood is a total no brainer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2014 21:05:39 GMT 1
Butterfield played like a gladiator today,he makes Clayton look like a tub of lard
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Post by AndySk on Nov 1, 2014 21:12:53 GMT 1
Motm today for me. Class
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Nov 1, 2014 21:22:21 GMT 1
Best game I've seen by him today, when he did that run near end and nearly scored. Class today, better so far than I expected.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2014 21:22:27 GMT 1
Outstanding today, different player to Clayton but id pick Butterfield hands down.
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Post by rick2b on Nov 1, 2014 21:23:03 GMT 1
Jacob was completely different gravy today. But, so was the whole team. If there ever was a game when not one individual stood out as mom today was it. A complete team performance as I have not/never seen before.
A centre mid of butterfield and Coady ( with Hogg at times) is light years better than Norwood and Clayton
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2014 23:15:29 GMT 1
The Boro fans prefer Clayton. I think it's about winning, personally. We all like Butterfield because we're doing well right now. Just as they like Clayton at present. The Boro fans all said Jacob was quality, but that the manager there didn't rate him, or that he didn't fit their system. None of them doubted his ability. In my opinion, I think we've got the better deal. Financially, and in terms of the player. I liked Clayton, but I already prefer Butterfield and I still don't think we've seen anywhere near the best of this lad. I love watching him. He must have had the most touches of the ball yesterday, such was his involvement. He always wants the ball. Sometimes, he'll ask for it, then move it on straight away. Some folk will think "why's he done that?" but if you watch him, he moves straight into more space. Again, he'll ask for it, play another pass, and so on. He's working the ball constantly. Making the ball do the work. The opposition are never sure what's going to happen. Weird yesterday. I had a couple of blokes my age next to me who were over critical of him throughout. Then behind me, a few youngsters who couldn't get enough of him. I see it like the youngsters did. The blokes had a pop at him for something second half. Can't recall exactly what happened, but Jacob dispossessed their winger near his own box, then charged forward until he was met by an opponent and so he offloaded it. These blokes were annoyed that he'd done that. Bizarre. "Should have kept going, took em on" they said. Aye, course he should have. He's not that type of player. They can't all dribble through players like Scannell, or fly past folk like Bunn. Butterfield is about possession. He rarely loses it, be it in a tackle or by giving it away with his passing. He links the deeper two in midfield with Holt, which gives the wingers freedom, exposing the opponents full backs. He's deadly accurate at shooting though. Seriously, he near enough always hits the target. I just wish he'd shoot more to be honest. Although, that was probably his only real chance, the one he buried, first time. Then he's not bad at set pieces either. He must have put at least 5 beauties straight onto Hudson's head the last few weeks, but none have gone in. With both feet too! Unique that, surely? Can't say I can think of anybody else doing it. He gets stuck in though as well. Does a lot more defensive work than I envisaged he would do after reading/hearing reports of him from Boro and Barnsley fans. I was expecting a lightweight playmaker who rarely broke sweat. But the lad is a grafter. Marry talent with graft and you're looking at a special player. A player as I say, I don't think we've yet seen at his very best. Not had much football since leaving Barnsley, had a bad injury. But he's playing week in, week out here and so yes, I think we've got a great deal. I also wish Clayton all the best at Boro. Win/win really. UTT Pilks used to put in corners with both feet too. Butterfields delivery is ok but sometimes needs to hit them with more pace. i.e. Gary Robert's corners!
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Post by John Smith on Nov 2, 2014 2:30:38 GMT 1
Another game where I've gone home thanking our lucky stars that we've got Jacob Butterfield. I'm in my thirties. I've a family. But boy do I love watching this lad play. And boy does he play! I stand by my previous remarks that I still don't believe this is the best we'll see from him. I can sense a lot more good stuff to come from JB. He's the one player I'd hate us to lose. Key man.
That skill he did today? Magical.
Boro must have some midfielders....
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Post by HD8 Blue & White on Nov 2, 2014 7:56:32 GMT 1
Both very good midfielders
Butterfield More direct with more pace and energy although Clayton probably had a better range of passing. Clayton somtimes gave the impression of being a bit sulky, whining at other players, where Butterfield looks 100% team player. Butterfield and £1M or Clayton? No Brainer IMO
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Nov 2, 2014 8:27:40 GMT 1
Shows how much we've improved the squad when so many people wanted Clayton to be captain.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 8:43:19 GMT 1
Mine too, thought he was outstanding.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 9:02:13 GMT 1
Think my neighbours thought I'd been shot when he turned their midfielder in the second half. I squealed like a little girl.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 9:29:34 GMT 1
The Boro fans prefer Clayton. I think it's about winning, personally. We all like Butterfield because we're doing well right now. Just as they like Clayton at present. The Boro fans all said Jacob was quality, but that the manager there didn't rate him, or that he didn't fit their system. None of them doubted his ability. In my opinion, I think we've got the better deal. Financially, and in terms of the player. I liked Clayton, but I already prefer Butterfield and I still don't think we've seen anywhere near the best of this lad. I love watching him. He must have had the most touches of the ball yesterday, such was his involvement. He always wants the ball. Sometimes, he'll ask for it, then move it on straight away. Some folk will think "why's he done that?" but if you watch him, he moves straight into more space. Again, he'll ask for it, play another pass, and so on. He's working the ball constantly. Making the ball do the work. The opposition are never sure what's going to happen. Weird yesterday. I had a couple of blokes my age next to me who were over critical of him throughout. Then behind me, a few youngsters who couldn't get enough of him. I see it like the youngsters did. The blokes had a pop at him for something second half. Can't recall exactly what happened, but Jacob dispossessed their winger near his own box, then charged forward until he was met by an opponent and so he offloaded it. These blokes were annoyed that he'd done that. Bizarre. "Should have kept going, took em on" they said. Aye, course he should have. He's not that type of player. They can't all dribble through players like Scannell, or fly past folk like Bunn. Butterfield is about possession. He rarely loses it, be it in a tackle or by giving it away with his passing. He links the deeper two in midfield with Holt, which gives the wingers freedom, exposing the opponents full backs. He's deadly accurate at shooting though. Seriously, he near enough always hits the target. I just wish he'd shoot more to be honest. Although, that was probably his only real chance, the one he buried, first time. Then he's not bad at set pieces either. He must have put at least 5 beauties straight onto Hudson's head the last few weeks, but none have gone in. With both feet too! Unique that, surely? Can't say I can think of anybody else doing it. He gets stuck in though as well. Does a lot more defensive work than I envisaged he would do after reading/hearing reports of him from Boro and Barnsley fans. I was expecting a lightweight playmaker who rarely broke sweat. But the lad is a grafter. Marry talent with graft and you're looking at a special player. A player as I say, I don't think we've yet seen at his very best. Not had much football since leaving Barnsley, had a bad injury. But he's playing week in, week out here and so yes, I think we've got a great deal. I also wish Clayton all the best at Boro. Win/win really. UTT Agree with that. Clayton seems to be doing okay with Boro. The BBC reporter said Clayton and whoever were running the show yesterday. Like you say win win.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 2, 2014 9:34:00 GMT 1
Clayton never had a game for us as good as butterfield had yesterday.. I'm happy with how the deal has panned out so far
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Post by hxfiver on Nov 6, 2014 22:38:53 GMT 1
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Post by Beech's Nuts on Nov 6, 2014 23:37:47 GMT 1
Grant Leadbitter bosses the Middlesbrough midfield: Clayton has to play second fiddle to him.
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Post by bullard on Nov 6, 2014 23:39:54 GMT 1
We as a team are far better with the current crop, they compliment each other well. As good as Clayton was on the ball, we focused our play through him and he was so slow on the ball unlike Butterfield who moves the ball quicker but also has that turn of pace in him that can take him passed a player.
Butterfield for me, and as someone mentioned Coady trumps them all, class act is that kid
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2014 0:29:34 GMT 1
I'd take Clayton personally, it's a shame Powell never got to work with him really.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Nov 7, 2014 9:29:31 GMT 1
Clayton was very very good, I'm surprised by the Butterfield stats, excellent so far.
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Post by Is It Eidur Gudjohnsen on Nov 7, 2014 11:02:14 GMT 1
I think the weak link was more Norwood than Clayton and the fact that Hogg by his own omission didnt have a good season. If Clayton we playing now alongside Hogg and Coady then I think it would be a great midefield. Saying that to get £1M and Butterfield for Clayton makes me smile everytime I think about it and I bet Hoyle is the same! Just to add to that and the comments about Coady, I bet when Hoyle thinks of the profit from selling Norwood and buying Coady just makes it hilarious!
As mentioned above Grant Leadbitter is immense and when you get to partner someone that good it always improves your game.
With our transfer business have we just got lucky this time or have other clubs just paid over the odds due to where the respective players started their careers and Clayton's beard???
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