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Post by faceyd on Oct 23, 2014 18:40:21 GMT 1
Would love to see a load of Caribbean fans giving it plenty...steel drums...female dancers...it'd be just like Brazil ... yeaahhhhh...would be great
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Oct 23, 2014 19:10:16 GMT 1
Otium, you should use that leisure time your username refers to try and come up with some coherent arguments rather than the self aggrandising sweeping generalisations you seem so fond of. Which part of any post on this thread was self-aggrandising? Which bit was racist? You need to start questioning the "belief" systems. Human rights, equality, blah, blah, blah. I hate war, conflict etc but some folk are plain stupid. Ever wondered why the Brits give more to animal charities than the human equivalents? Is it because they are stupid or very, very, wise? One has to generalise pal, its the only way to make points. " Are crowds falling at Huddersfield Town as the Moslem population of Huddersfield rises"?"Yes". Nothing general about that. Look the male muslim and ethnic community are massive sports followers and participants. Its a section of the community and potential support base we should be doing more to 'tap' into. Last season i stopped off for a piss in the Zone sports centre after a match last season, seeing i was wearing my Town shirt a Asian fella who had just finished playing football in an Arsenal shirt said "how did we get on today?". I replied, "what do you mean we? youre a Arsenal fan mate, we won 2-1". The Asian guy then said " no mate im a Town fan, just dont go to the matches". So I then enquired why he didnt go, to which he replied " like many of other Moslems i dont feel welcome at the ground". I reassured him that things had changed and that the team is representing ALL of the community and that he and other Asian/Moslem Town fans should give it a chance. So I believe the interest and support is there so the real trick is how do we get these fans down to the JSS.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Oct 23, 2014 19:20:08 GMT 1
Which part of any post on this thread was self-aggrandising? Which bit was racist? You need to start questioning the "belief" systems. Human rights, equality, blah, blah, blah. I hate war, conflict etc but some folk are plain stupid. Ever wondered why the Brits give more to animal charities than the human equivalents? Is it because they are stupid or very, very, wise? One has to generalise pal, its the only way to make points. " Are crowds falling at Huddersfield Town as the Moslem population of Huddersfield rises"?"Yes". Nothing general about that. Look the male muslim and ethnic community are massive sports followers and participants. Its a section of the community and potential support base we should be doing more to 'tap' into. Last season i stopped off for a piss in the Zone sports centre after a match last season, seeing i was wearing my Town shirt a Asian fella who had just finished playing football in an Arsenal shirt said "how did we get on today?". I replied, "what do you mean we? youre a Arsenal fan mate, we won 2-1". The Asian guy then said " no mate im a Town fan, just dont go to the matches". So I then enquired why he didnt go, to which he replied " like many of other Moslems i dont feel welcome at the ground". I reassured him that things had changed and that the team is representing ALL of the community and that he and other Asian/Moslem Town fans should give it a chance. So I believe the interest and support is there so the real trick is how do we get these fans down to the JSS. Dress Terry the Terrier in a burka
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Oct 23, 2014 19:32:08 GMT 1
Which part of any post on this thread was self-aggrandising? Which bit was racist? You need to start questioning the "belief" systems. Human rights, equality, blah, blah, blah. I hate war, conflict etc but some folk are plain stupid. Ever wondered why the Brits give more to animal charities than the human equivalents? Is it because they are stupid or very, very, wise? One has to generalise pal, its the only way to make points. " Are crowds falling at Huddersfield Town as the Moslem population of Huddersfield rises"?"Yes". Nothing general about that. Look the male muslim and ethnic community are massive sports followers and participants. Its a section of the community and potential support base we should be doing more to 'tap' into. Last season i stopped off for a piss in the Zone sports centre after a match last season, seeing i was wearing my Town shirt a Asian fella who had just finished playing football in an Arsenal shirt said "how did we get on today?". I replied, "what do you mean we? youre a Arsenal fan mate, we won 2-1". The Asian guy then said " no mate im a Town fan, just dont go to the matches". So I then enquired why he didnt go, to which he replied " like many of other Moslems i dont feel welcome at the ground". I reassured him that things had changed and that the team is representing ALL of the community and that he and other Asian/Moslem Town fans should give it a chance. So I believe the interest and support is there so the real trick is how do we get these fans down to the JSS. I totally agree with this, when teaching, I found the young asian fans to be as knowledgeable and fanatical as their white counterparts but none actually attended games as their parents/brothers told them that football stadia were not necessarily the most welcoming of places for them. Surely this needs to change!
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Post by detox on Oct 23, 2014 19:35:28 GMT 1
community engagement ? don't we have someone who does this at HTAFC ?
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Oct 23, 2014 19:46:05 GMT 1
Which part of any post on this thread was self-aggrandising? Which bit was racist? You need to start questioning the "belief" systems. Human rights, equality, blah, blah, blah. I hate war, conflict etc but some folk are plain stupid. Ever wondered why the Brits give more to animal charities than the human equivalents? Is it because they are stupid or very, very, wise? One has to generalise pal, its the only way to make points. " Are crowds falling at Huddersfield Town as the Moslem population of Huddersfield rises"?"Yes". Nothing general about that. Look the male muslim and ethnic community are massive sports followers and participants. Its a section of the community and potential support base we should be doing more to 'tap' into. Last season i stopped off for a piss in the Zone sports centre after a match last season, seeing i was wearing my Town shirt a Asian fella who had just finished playing football in an Arsenal shirt said "how did we get on today?". I replied, "what do you mean we? youre a Arsenal fan mate, we won 2-1". The Asian guy then said " no mate im a Town fan, just dont go to the matches". So I then enquired why he didnt go, to which he replied " like many of other Moslems i dont feel welcome at the ground". I reassured him that things had changed and that the team is representing ALL of the community and that he and other Asian/Moslem Town fans should give it a chance. So I believe the interest and support is there so the real trick is how do we get these fans down to the JSS. Doesnt feel welcome? Thats laughable...was he welcomed in school, were his kids? Did he feel welcomed at the 5 a side? Its they who ostracise, avoid, ignore. The Brits welcome all peoples with open arms....its a two-way street. I have posted on here that i have never been in the home of a Moslem in Huddersfield. I know who a the insular group ad who is not.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 20:27:29 GMT 1
Didn't really want to get involved with this but feel I should say my bit. I played cricket for 4 seasons at a cricket club in Bradford which had about 30 players, I'd say about 15 white and 15 Asian lads. I'd say nearly all 30 were football fans. I was the only town fan amoungst the white lads, rest were Bradford and Leeds. All the Asian lads supported man utd, arsenal and Chelsea. We always spoke about football and the Asian lads would get ribbed a lot because they didn't go watch there respected teams, they used to say 'they couldn't be seen going to football matches', because of their religion and strict culture they would feel it was dangerous territorie to be seen going to watch it. I don't know what the answer is, maybe the club approaching Muslim schools/mosques? I really don't know how htfc taps into the wider community, in my experience mixing with Asian lads who I would call my mates, they couldn't be seen to be associating themselves with such activities, the elders of such communities frown upon it. I would like to see more of the black community involved as well. Not sure why they don't but maybe again they support man utd, arsenal and Chelsea?
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Oct 23, 2014 20:46:02 GMT 1
Didn't really want to get involved with this but feel I should say my bit. I played cricket for 4 seasons at a cricket club in Bradford which had about 30 players, I'd say about 15 white and 15 Asian lads. I'd say nearly all 30 were football fans. I was the only town fan amoungst the white lads, rest were Bradford and Leeds. All the Asian lads supported man utd, arsenal and Chelsea. We always spoke about football and the Asian lads would get ribbed a lot because they didn't go watch there respected teams, they used to say ' they couldn't be seen going to football matches', because of their religion and strict culture they would feel it was dangerous territorie to be seen going to watch it. I don't know what the answer is, maybe the club approaching Muslim schools/mosques? I really don't know how htfc taps into the wider community, in my experience mixing with Asian lads who I would call my mates, they couldn't be seen to be associating themselves with such activities, the elders of such communities frown upon it. I would like to see more of the black community involved as well. Not sure why they don't but maybe again they support man utd, arsenal and Chelsea? Your comments I've highlighted above perplex me. I go regularly to Algeria on business, in fact I just got back this afternoon from three days of meetings in Hassi Messaoud, and they love to talk about football. They love nothing more than to have a kick around with the expats on the base in the evening, and many of the arabic speaking channels were showing the Champions League games this week, and I've seen the odd Algeria league game shown where the crowds were decent, maybe up to 20k In Algiers airport today I saw plenty of people in football shirts, admittedly always the big clubs, Barca, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Huddersfield Town etc. However, most of the muslims living in the UK come from the sub-continent rather than the Middle East or North Africa, and they're largely just not that interested in football. I don't think visiting mosques would work. There's plenty of other football places with big muslim populations, look at Birmingham City....St. Andrews is surrounded by mosques, but you don't see many muslims attending their games either.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 20:54:32 GMT 1
Didn't really want to get involved with this but feel I should say my bit. I played cricket for 4 seasons at a cricket club in Bradford which had about 30 players, I'd say about 15 white and 15 Asian lads. I'd say nearly all 30 were football fans. I was the only town fan amoungst the white lads, rest were Bradford and Leeds. All the Asian lads supported man utd, arsenal and Chelsea. We always spoke about football and the Asian lads would get ribbed a lot because they didn't go watch there respected teams, they used to say ' they couldn't be seen going to football matches', because of their religion and strict culture they would feel it was dangerous territorie to be seen going to watch it. I don't know what the answer is, maybe the club approaching Muslim schools/mosques? I really don't know how htfc taps into the wider community, in my experience mixing with Asian lads who I would call my mates, they couldn't be seen to be associating themselves with such activities, the elders of such communities frown upon it. I would like to see more of the black community involved as well. Not sure why they don't but maybe again they support man utd, arsenal and Chelsea? Your comments I've highlighted above perplex me. I go regularly to Algeria on business, in fact I just got back this afternoon from three days of meetings in Hassi Messaoud, and they love to talk about football. They love nothing more than to have a kick around with the expats on the base in the evening, and many of the arabic speaking channels were showing the Champions League games this week, and I've seen the odd Algeria league game shown where the crowds were decent, maybe up to 20k In Algiers airport today I saw plenty of people in football shirts, admittedly always the big clubs, Barca, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Huddersfield Town etc. However, most of the muslims living in the UK come from the sub-continent rather than the Middle East or North Africa, and they're largely just not that interested in football. I don't think visiting mosques would work. There's plenty of other football places with big muslim populations, look at Birmingham City....St. Andrews is surrounded by mosques, but you don't see many muslims attending their games either. I'm only saying what I'm told by them. The English football culture of having a beer, singing and chanting isn't seen as being a good Muslim. I suspect Algerian football fans are predominantly Algerian Muslims who won't drink and the Algerian culture will accept it more.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Oct 23, 2014 21:06:41 GMT 1
Even if there was an appetite for lower League football amongst Asians (or, indeed, Poles or any other recent migrant community), most of Kirklees' Asians are in the Dewsbury/Batley/Mirfield/Heavy Woollen districts (I think)
Town's support from those areas is generational - from a time when it was easier to get a bus along Leeds Road than going the other way and when Huddersfield were generally a higher placed club than Leeds with more tradition.
If you moved in to those areas now, why would Town be the pull (if one existed) rather than Leeds or even Bradford?
With no generational roots, it's pretty easy to see why any allegiance would flow to the big TV teams.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 21:09:10 GMT 1
Your comments I've highlighted above perplex me. I go regularly to Algeria on business, in fact I just got back this afternoon from three days of meetings in Hassi Messaoud, and they love to talk about football. They love nothing more than to have a kick around with the expats on the base in the evening, and many of the arabic speaking channels were showing the Champions League games this week, and I've seen the odd Algeria league game shown where the crowds were decent, maybe up to 20k In Algiers airport today I saw plenty of people in football shirts, admittedly always the big clubs, Barca, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Huddersfield Town etc. :D However, most of the muslims living in the UK come from the sub-continent rather than the Middle East or North Africa, and they're largely just not that interested in football. I don't think visiting mosques would work. There's plenty of other football places with big muslim populations, look at Birmingham City....St. Andrews is surrounded by mosques, but you don't see many muslims attending their games either. I'm only saying what I'm told by them. The English football culture of having a beer, singing and chanting isn't seen as being a good Muslim. I suspect Algerian football fans are predominantly Algerian Muslims who won't drink and the Algerian culture will accept it more. I suspect it's a big part of the reason Ben, lets be honest, if you see a load of exremists from the EDL marching through London, they all look like the archetypal football hooligan (some of them probably are), so it's understandable that some young muslims don't want, or don't want to be seen to be mixing in the same circles.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 21:15:12 GMT 1
I'm only saying what I'm told by them. The English football culture of having a beer, singing and chanting isn't seen as being a good Muslim. I suspect Algerian football fans are predominantly Algerian Muslims who won't drink and the Algerian culture will accept it more. I suspect it's a big part of the reason Ben, lets be honest, if you see a load of exremists from the EDL marching through London, they all look like the archetypal football hooligan (some of them probably are), so it's understandable that some young muslims don't want, or don't want to be seen to be mixing in the same circles, even though. That's it really. I've tried to get my mate Wass to come to town to watch a game or two but he said he can't, not because he doesn't want to but because it would be to frowned upon.
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Post by SaudiTerrier on Oct 23, 2014 21:51:42 GMT 1
I suspect it's a big part of the reason Ben, lets be honest, if you see a load of exremists from the EDL marching through London, they all look like the archetypal football hooligan (some of them probably are), so it's understandable that some young muslims don't want, or don't want to be seen to be mixing in the same circles, even though. That's it really. I've tried to get my mate Wass to come to town to watch a game or two but he said he can't, not because he doesn't want to but because it would be to frowned upon. Probably a mix of all these things and others mentioned, rather than Otium's stupid generalisation. There's also the whole drinking culture associated with watching football to take into account, you don't see/hear many conversations about going to watch football without someone mentioning having a pint... some muslims may not mind while others prefer to keep their distance or straight up not attend events where it is present, each to their own. Middle Easterns/North Africans/Arabs are generally crazy about football and there's probably more that attend games than people think. Otium probably expects these people all to be brown, wearing robes and headgear and waving a flag of Arabic scripture on at all times, that's what all muslims look like isn't it? Indians and Pakistanis which are the largest minorities in the UK usually prefer Cricket over anything else, and of those that like football they may not attend for a number of reasons including some already mentioned. Not sure what can be done to appeal to that massive market, other than trying to develop a "everyone is welcome" type atmosphere/brand image. At the end of the day despite the prices and all the changes, football in the UK still has the image/reputation of being the sport for the white working class male who enjoys a bit of a drink, and that might not appeal to some people.
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Oct 23, 2014 21:58:06 GMT 1
Look the male muslim and ethnic community are massive sports followers and participants. Its a section of the community and potential support base we should be doing more to 'tap' into. Last season i stopped off for a piss in the Zone sports centre after a match last season, seeing i was wearing my Town shirt a Asian fella who had just finished playing football in an Arsenal shirt said "how did we get on today?". I replied, "what do you mean we? youre a Arsenal fan mate, we won 2-1". The Asian guy then said " no mate im a Town fan, just dont go to the matches". So I then enquired why he didnt go, to which he replied " like many of other Moslems i dont feel welcome at the ground". I reassured him that things had changed and that the team is representing ALL of the community and that he and other Asian/Moslem Town fans should give it a chance. So I believe the interest and support is there so the real trick is how do we get these fans down to the JSS. Dress Terry the Terrier in a burka With idiots like this perhaps that Asian lad i met is correct and Moslem Town fans are not welcome ...I despair !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 22:04:18 GMT 1
That's it really. I've tried to get my mate Wass to come to town to watch a game or two but he said he can't, not because he doesn't want to but because it would be to frowned upon. Probably a mix of all these things and others mentioned, rather than Otium's stupid generalisation. There's also the whole drinking culture associated with watching football to take into account, you don't see/hear many conversations about going to watch football without someone mentioning having a pint... some muslims may not mind while others prefer to keep their distance or straight up not attend events where it is present, each to their own. Middle Easterns/North Africans/Arabs are generally crazy about football and there's probably more that attend games than people think. Otium probably expects these people all to be brown, wearing robes and headgear and waving a flag of Arabic scripture on at all times, that's what all muslims look like isn't it? Indians and Pakistanis which are the largest minorities in the UK usually prefer Cricket over anything else, and of those that like football they may not attend for a number of reasons including some already mentioned. Not sure what can be done to appeal to that massive market, other than trying to develop a "everyone is welcome" type atmosphere/brand image. At the end of the day despite the prices and all the changes, football in the UK still has the image/reputation of being the sport for the white working class male who enjoys a bit of a drink, and that might not appeal to some people. Yea I know what your saying. It's a difficult market for 'us' to understand because I suspect non of us discussing this on DATM are Muslim. I think over time as generations come through life they will get the confidence to come an join in without 'fear'. The majority of the Uk is white so it's wxpected most football fans will be white but there is no doubt football fan bases don't have their fair share of minorities in. God knows how to tackle it, I think the main change is integration of both sides of the communities. Mainly the minorities who may feel they aren't welcome.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Oct 23, 2014 22:09:35 GMT 1
Dress Terry the Terrier in a burka With idiots like this perhaps that Asian lad i met is correct and Moslem Town fans are not welcome ...I despair ! get off your high horse you prat and try and find a sense of humour its miserable gits like you that makes us all despair
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 22:36:31 GMT 1
That's it really. I've tried to get my mate Wass to come to town to watch a game or two but he said he can't, not because he doesn't want to but because it would be to frowned upon. Probably a mix of all these things and others mentioned, rather than Otium's stupid generalisation. There's also the whole drinking culture associated with watching football to take into account, you don't see/hear many conversations about going to watch football without someone mentioning having a pint... some muslims may not mind while others prefer to keep their distance or straight up not attend events where it is present, each to their own. Middle Easterns/North Africans/Arabs are generally crazy about football and there's probably more that attend games than people think. Otium probably expects these people all to be brown, wearing robes and headgear and waving a flag of Arabic scripture on at all times, that's what all muslims look like isn't it? Indians and Pakistanis which are the largest minorities in the UK usually prefer Cricket over anything else, and of those that like football they may not attend for a number of reasons including some already mentioned. Not sure what can be done to appeal to that massive market, other than trying to develop a "everyone is welcome" type atmosphere/brand image. At the end of the day despite the prices and all the changes, football in the UK still has the image/reputation of being the sport for the white working class male who enjoys a bit of a drink, and that might not appeal to some people. Well he did once see a muslim doing exactly that when he running a marathon in 50 degree heat in Libya, so what more evidence do you want that around 1.6bn people are all exactly the same? As you point out, I think most people of asian heritage prefer cricket and are perfectly happy to attend, in what tends to be a more alcohol fuelled crowd than football these days. It'd be great if we could attract a more diverse crowd, but I've no idea how we'd go about. I genuinely can't imagine an asian person attending our stadium being racially abused, although maybe that is me being overly optimistic.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Oct 23, 2014 23:15:35 GMT 1
On a slight tangent I noticed a group of about 10 Chinese in the NSL at our opening game, a mix of lads and lasses. Presumably students, maybe taking advantage of some offer. I saw another group of about 6 (could've been the same people) near me on Tuesday night, including a few in town shirts and scarves. They were all on the bevvies at half time too!
Hopefully the club are trying to tap into the Chinese student market as there's hundreds of them at the uni.
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Post by detox on Oct 23, 2014 23:48:15 GMT 1
perhaps it's something the ATT can take up with the club...community engagement with the ethnic minorities...positive discrimination , and let us know what the club do ? Tbh, I am impressed by the positive nature of most of this... However , I think the issue is bigger than that...it's the engagement with the majorities in the town that doesn't seem to be bearing any fruit...I'm not saying the club do nothing, because I know they do lots, but we don't seem to be seeing an end product..(apart from 1400 kids on saturday,although that is a different issue)... How many students do we have now at the Uni...8,000 is it ?
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 24, 2014 0:12:06 GMT 1
Not really having the 'not made to feel welcome' excuse. Unless they're stuck in some kind of time warp that takes them back to the 70s every saturday afternoon! Its nonsense basically. An excuse is what it is when the real reason IMo is simply that Town aren't near the top of the prem and playing in europe, combined with a not particularly strong feeling of pride in and belonging to the town or area, simple as that. Going by the shirts you see asians wearing, they're happy to follow a club, so long as its one of the big ones. Think the idea that being in a football crowd is somehow un-islamic, is also a red herring. You only have to go to a Pakistan cricket game to see that loud raucous crowd behaviour is something muslims are happy to take part in.
nothing wrong with targetting them or any other group though, so long as it doesn't involve reduced prices or anything like that based on race or religion, as that would be racist. Im sure other non-top clubs have the same issue on their doorstep and have tried to lure them in, but Im not sure any have been successful.
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Post by shawsie on Oct 24, 2014 0:14:20 GMT 1
Probably a mix of all these things and others mentioned, rather than Otium's stupid generalisation. There's also the whole drinking culture associated with watching football to take into account, you don't see/hear many conversations about going to watch football without someone mentioning having a pint... some muslims may not mind while others prefer to keep their distance or straight up not attend events where it is present, each to their own. Middle Easterns/North Africans/Arabs are generally crazy about football and there's probably more that attend games than people think. Otium probably expects these people all to be brown, wearing robes and headgear and waving a flag of Arabic scripture on at all times, that's what all muslims look like isn't it? Indians and Pakistanis which are the largest minorities in the UK usually prefer Cricket over anything else, and of those that like football they may not attend for a number of reasons including some already mentioned. Not sure what can be done to appeal to that massive market, other than trying to develop a "everyone is welcome" type atmosphere/brand image. At the end of the day despite the prices and all the changes, football in the UK still has the image/reputation of being the sport for the white working class male who enjoys a bit of a drink, and that might not appeal to some people. Well he did once see a muslim doing exactly that when he running a marathon in 50 degree heat in Libya, so what more evidence do you want that around 1.6bn people are all exactly the same? As you point out, I think most people of asian heritage prefer cricket and are perfectly happy to attend, in what tends to be a more alcohol fuelled crowd than football these days. It'd be great if we could attract a more diverse crowd, but I've no idea how we'd go about. I genuinely can't imagine an asian person attending our stadium being racially abused, although maybe that is me being overly optimistic. Nothing more alcohol fuelled than the western terrace or edgbaston for a test match or leo sayer!!! It must be cultural...plenty of black people now follow town and they took fearful abuse on and off the pitch when i was growing up......why arent asians following suit?!
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Oct 24, 2014 0:39:46 GMT 1
perhaps it's something the ATT can take up with the club...community engagement with the ethnic minorities...positive discrimination , and let us know what the club do ? Tbh, I am impressed by the positive nature of most of this... However , I think the issue is bigger than that...it's the engagement with the majorities in the town that doesn't seem to be bearing any fruit...I'm not saying the club do nothing, because I know they do lots, but we don't seem to be seeing an end product..(apart from 1400 kids on saturday,although that is a different issue)... How many students do we have now at the Uni...8,000 is it ? 24,000 and yes the club does reduced prices for students
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Oct 24, 2014 0:41:44 GMT 1
That's it really. I've tried to get my mate Wass to come to town to watch a game or two but he said he can't, not because he doesn't want to but because it would be to frowned upon. Probably a mix of all these things and others mentioned, rather than Otium's stupid generalisation. There's also the whole drinking culture associated with watching football to take into account, you don't see/hear many conversations about going to watch football without someone mentioning having a pint... some muslims may not mind while others prefer to keep their distance or straight up not attend events where it is present, each to their own. Middle Easterns/North Africans/Arabs are generally crazy about football and there's probably more that attend games than people think. Otium probably expects these people all to be brown, wearing robes and headgear and waving a flag of Arabic scripture on at all times, that's what all muslims look like isn't it? Indians and Pakistanis which are the largest minorities in the UK usually prefer Cricket over anything else, and of those that like football they may not attend for a number of reasons including some already mentioned. Not sure what can be done to appeal to that massive market, other than trying to develop a "everyone is welcome" type atmosphere/brand image. At the end of the day despite the prices and all the changes, football in the UK still has the image/reputation of being the sport for the white working class male who enjoys a bit of a drink, and that might not appeal to some people. Seeing as we are on stupid generalisations..... 50% dont drink for a week at a stretch. 50% NEVER enter a pub. 40% dont drink at all. www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_338863.pdfMoslems dont avoid football games because its alcohol related. Ever been to a cricket club? Moslems avoid anything at all that is not theirs...because they are GENERALLY small-minded, brainwashed,ignorant and insular. See them in restaurants, Sainsburys, at the bowling?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 6:17:13 GMT 1
On a slight tangent I noticed a group of about 10 Chinese in the NSL at our opening game, a mix of lads and lasses. Presumably students, maybe taking advantage of some offer. I saw another group of about 6 (could've been the same people) near me on Tuesday night, including a few in town shirts and scarves. They were all on the bevvies at half time too! Hopefully the club are trying to tap into the Chinese student market as there's hundreds of them at the uni. I notcied that and it's really good to see. The NSL is open to everyone so to see kids, women, students, Chinese etc is brilliant to see.
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Post by sapphireblue on Oct 24, 2014 8:26:50 GMT 1
Moslems dont avoid football games because its alcohol related. Ever been to a cricket club? Moslems avoid anything at all that is not theirs...because they are GENERALLY small-minded, brainwashed,ignorant and insular. See them in restaurants, Sainsburys, at the bowling? Yes, yes and erm, yes. And that is the one of the most small-minded, brainwashed, ignorant and insular posts I have seen on this board since diamondwhite18 buggered off. I have, unlike you, been into many muslim households in this country over the years as a friend, colleague and/or neighbour. Joined in Eid celebrations, reciprocated the invites for Christmas etc. Been to weddings & naming ceremonies of the children of people whom I regard as good friends. "They" have been quite happy to attend ours too. Maybe the problem is you?
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Oct 24, 2014 8:56:47 GMT 1
Probably a mix of all these things and others mentioned, rather than Otium's stupid generalisation. There's also the whole drinking culture associated with watching football to take into account, you don't see/hear many conversations about going to watch football without someone mentioning having a pint... some muslims may not mind while others prefer to keep their distance or straight up not attend events where it is present, each to their own. Middle Easterns/North Africans/Arabs are generally crazy about football and there's probably more that attend games than people think. Otium probably expects these people all to be brown, wearing robes and headgear and waving a flag of Arabic scripture on at all times, that's what all muslims look like isn't it? Indians and Pakistanis which are the largest minorities in the UK usually prefer Cricket over anything else, and of those that like football they may not attend for a number of reasons including some already mentioned. Not sure what can be done to appeal to that massive market, other than trying to develop a "everyone is welcome" type atmosphere/brand image. At the end of the day despite the prices and all the changes, football in the UK still has the image/reputation of being the sport for the white working class male who enjoys a bit of a drink, and that might not appeal to some people. Seeing as we are on stupid generalisations..... 50% dont drink for a week at a stretch. 50% NEVER enter a pub. 40% dont drink at all. www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_338863.pdfMoslems dont avoid football games because its alcohol related. Ever been to a cricket club? Moslems avoid anything at all that is not theirs...because they are GENERALLY small-minded, brainwashed,ignorant and insular.See them in restaurants, Sainsburys, at the bowling? Where's the REALLY dislike button
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Oct 24, 2014 10:27:04 GMT 1
Last year an Asian taxi driver in Huddersfield who i had travelled with over many years asked me "is it true England was the first country in the World"? This was a man who was in his 40's and had come from Pakistan at the age of 16. If they are not generally ignorant and insular why do they marry off children, marry first cousins, subjugate women etc. Why are there religious war in virtually every Moslem country in the World? I must have imagined Rotherham...just 1400 children raped, sold, abused. They are backward and insular. Quoting some minor interaction with a university educated optometrist does not make British Asians modern, progressive or open. A war is coming to the streets of Britain and when the Trojan Horse spills open please dont look to the old country (which no longer exists) to save your head.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 10:45:36 GMT 1
Last year an Asian taxi driver in Huddersfield who i had travelled with over many years asked me "is it true England was the first country in the World"?This was a man who was in his 40's and had come from Pakistan at the age of 16. If they are not generally ignorant and insular why do they marry off children, marry first cousins, subjugate women etc. Why are there religious war in virtually every Moslem country in the World? I must have imagined Rotherham...just 1400 children raped, sold, abused. They are backward and insular. Quoting some minor interaction with a university educated optometrist does not make British Asians modern, progressive or open.A war is coming to the streets of Britain and when the Trojan Horse spills open please dont look to the old country (which no longer exists) to save your head. Quoting some minor interaction with a (presumably) uneducated taxi driver does not make all British Asian ignorant, backward and insular. Your knowledge of history and world politics is pathetic. You talk as if Saudi Arabia and Indonesia are the countries operating under the same laws. I'm not going through the Sykes-Picot agreement with you on a football message board, but it might help you to understand why there are wars in some (Syria) muslim countries....or do you think Ukraine is a Muslim majority country? I've always wondered what sort of person believes UKIP's nonsense - now I know.
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Post by detox on Oct 24, 2014 11:27:32 GMT 1
perhaps it's something the ATT can take up with the club...community engagement with the ethnic minorities...positive discrimination , and let us know what the club do ? Tbh, I am impressed by the positive nature of most of this... However , I think the issue is bigger than that...it's the engagement with the majorities in the town that doesn't seem to be bearing any fruit...I'm not saying the club do nothing, because I know they do lots, but we don't seem to be seeing an end product..(apart from 1400 kids on saturday,although that is a different issue)... How many students do we have now at the Uni...8,000 is it ? 24,000 and yes the club does reduced prices for students www.htafc.com/news/article/home-tickets-201415-first-five-home-1649468.aspxare you sure ?
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Post by rooo on Oct 24, 2014 11:35:17 GMT 1
Yes they (and Kirklees College students) have their own website with special offer tickets on it.
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