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Post by SaudiTerrier on Dec 8, 2014 20:25:43 GMT 1
Grant holt ?@grantholt31 4m4 minutes ago So Bolton 2 weeks on the bounce with 2 different teams.
Well that settles that.
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Post by doncht on Dec 9, 2014 2:15:58 GMT 1
That's a pretty tough one to take.
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Post by rocky on Dec 9, 2014 9:57:13 GMT 1
Yea I can understand that, 13k isn't going to take is forward. Results are the only thing I think that will change it, we have a lot of fickle fans. We've also got a very loyal hardcore which we need to grow but this is proving mightily difficult. Thank goodness for DH That's always been the case. I remember when we beat Leicester in the old Division 1 to go top (or nearly top) under the Ruberry / Bruce regime & Bruce was moaning about crowds then - pretty sure it was around the 13,000 mark also. Unfortunately, it's hard to see how Town will ever be able to get the gates to be enable us to be more of a force in this division.
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Dec 9, 2014 10:12:39 GMT 1
We've also got a very loyal hardcore which we need to grow but this is proving mightily difficult. Thank goodness for DH That's always been the case. I remember when we beat Leicester in the old Division 1 to go top (or nearly top) under the Ruberry / Bruce regime & Bruce was moaning about crowds then - pretty sure it was around the 13,000 mark also. Unfortunately, it's hard to see how Town will ever be able to get the gates to be enable us to be more of a force in this division. Your absolutely right and both Rubery and Eyre commented about the crowd sizes and trying to encourage more to come down. Is it perhaps that we are at our limit and other than being in the Premier League this is what we have to deal with. Equally DH and the club are trying to cultivate the young uns but that generation are miles away yet.
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Post by Marco4 on Dec 9, 2014 10:25:18 GMT 1
I remember seeing somewhere (no idea where) that in the West Indies, they were trying to make cricket more appealing to girls, knowing that they'd be mothers in future and, if they liked cricket, were more likely to ensure the next generation were cricket-lovers too.
No idea if it's true, or if it would work, but it was a thing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 10:48:27 GMT 1
how manyTown football clubs have a big support? we need to be city and grow if we want to be big boys,the only way we will get a few thousand on the gate will to be have a stint in the prem,and that looks unlikely unless we have a freak season
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Post by kes on Dec 9, 2014 11:18:32 GMT 1
how manyTown football clubs have a big support? we need to be city and grow if we want to be big boys,the only way we will get a few thousand on the gate will to be have a stint in the prem,and that looks unlikely unless we have a freak season Not quite sure how a few thousand extra fans will compete with owners willing to lose 30 odd million quid a season.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 11:46:27 GMT 1
how manyTown football clubs have a big support? we need to be city and grow if we want to be big boys,the only way we will get a few thousand on the gate will to be have a stint in the prem,and that looks unlikely unless we have a freak season Not quite sure how a few thousand extra fans will compete with owners willing to lose 30 odd million quid a season. Agree. some clubs arnt worried about losing millions and yes town will never get more than 13 to14 thousand hard core support so we cannot compete with the bigger clubs. dean is doing a great job but when he sells then we willno where we are at.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Dec 9, 2014 12:14:35 GMT 1
That's always been the case. I remember when we beat Leicester in the old Division 1 to go top (or nearly top) under the Ruberry / Bruce regime & Bruce was moaning about crowds then - pretty sure it was around the 13,000 mark also. Unfortunately, it's hard to see how Town will ever be able to get the gates to be enable us to be more of a force in this division. Your absolutely right and both Rubery and Eyre commented about the crowd sizes and trying to encourage more to come down. Is it perhaps that we are at our limit and other than being in the Premier League this is what we have to deal with. Equally DH and the club are trying to cultivate the young uns but that generation are miles away yet. I remember the same thing when we were in the old Premier League ie Division 1!
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Post by detox on Dec 9, 2014 12:35:57 GMT 1
We do have a broad fan base, a glance back over recent history shows that when Town are doing well then fans flock down. back in the old league 2 in 1965/66 we had a pretty good campaign, being top for quite a long time...and we had gates of 24,532. 18,114. 16,707. 31,876. 19,122. 17,212. 17,855. 17,989. 18,544. 17,350. 19,156. 17,669. 18,479. 19,138 and 24,997.
In 1969/70 we got promoted and got crowds of 30,907. 21,699. 21,788. 17,370. 16,960. 17,481. 20,965. 18,502. 24,854. 26,046. and 27,916.
Even in 1979/80 in the old 4th division we pulled in gates of 16,540. 14,875, 17,223. and 16,807...at the start of the season we got 3,313 for Aldershot !
So when fans say we've never pulled in good crowds at Huddersfield , they are wrong. Ok this was all pre- McAlpine Stadium..but historically the casual fans have turned up when there has been something exciting going on..
The reasons why casual fans are not attending now, is that they have never turned up for mid table mediocrity...apart from the early 70's in the 1st division.
The obvious solution, apart from competing at the top of the league, is to get fans to buy a SC, they are cheap, you can pay on int free terms and they are a heck of a lot cheaper than paying the gate prices during the season. The problem the club has is they are unable to promote SC's for new fans because they would undercut the renewal prices existing SC holders pay..in fact new applicants have to pay more than a renewal does...this is not attracting fans, it's turning them away...in the same way match day prices is turning fans away and match categories just add to the problem as some fans will turn up for a big game and think, christ £30 to watch Town...and never come back...
At some stage Town are going to have to change tactics as regards match day pricing, instead of moaning about fans not coming down....Clibs seems stubbornly reluctant to accept pricing is a factor...so I guess he never fills his car up with petrol at the cheapest petrol station then ?
With about 9000 SC holders paying around £10 less per match than casual fans, and just 3,000 home fans paying top whack prices...you might think is it really cost effective ? I've never understood trying to attract new customers by charging them a lot more than your regulars..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 12:57:45 GMT 1
You can't really compare crowds from a few year ago with crowds now . The big difference is SKY . The casual fan doesn't need to come down and pay to watch Town if they are doing well to get his soccer kicks , all he has to do is switch on the TV and sit there with their Man City,Chelsea,Arsenal,Liverpoo or Man U mug and slippers and kid themselves on they are a loyal supporter . Town will only get in the premier league if we are taken over by a rich owner, as even if we start doing well our crowds are unlikely to increase they won't go up that much ,TV has seen to that . Personally 15th in the league and above lxxxs is soccer heaven , if the league positions stay has they are I will be happier than all the plastic premier team fans put together . All is good at Town ,best team we've had in years ,a great chairman and top West Yorkshire side . Merry Christmas
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Dec 9, 2014 13:07:56 GMT 1
We do have a broad fan base, a glance back over recent history shows that when Town are doing well then fans flock down. back in the old league 2 in 1965/66 we had a pretty good campaign, being top for quite a long time...and we had gates of 24,532. 18,114. 16,707. 31,876. 19,122. 17,212. 17,855. 17,989. 18,544. 17,350. 19,156. 17,669. 18,479. 19,138 and 24,997. In 1969/70 we got promoted and got crowds of 30,907. 21,699. 21,788. 17,370. 16,960. 17,481. 20,965. 18,502. 24,854. 26,046. and 27,916.
Even in 1979/80 in the old 4th division we pulled in gates of 16,540. 14,875, 17,223. and 16,807...at the start of the season we got 3,313 for Aldershot !
So when fans say we've never pulled in good crowds at Huddersfield , they are wrong. Ok this was all pre- McAlpine Stadium..but historically the casual fans have turned up when there has been something exciting going on.. The reasons why casual fans are not attending now, is that they have never turned up for mid table mediocrity...apart from the early 70's in the 1st division. The obvious solution, apart from competing at the top of the league, is to get fans to buy a SC, they are cheap, you can pay on int free terms and they are a heck of a lot cheaper than paying the gate prices during the season. The problem the club has is they are unable to promote SC's for new fans because they would undercut the renewal prices existing SC holders pay..in fact new applicants have to pay more than a renewal does...this is not attracting fans, it's turning them away...in the same way match day prices is turning fans away and match categories just add to the problem as some fans will turn up for a big game and think, christ £30 to watch Town...and never come back... At some stage Town are going to have to change tactics as regards match day pricing, instead of moaning about fans not coming down....Clibs seems stubbornly reluctant to accept pricing is a factor...so I guess he never fills his car up with petrol at the cheapest petrol station then ? With about 9000 SC holders paying around £10 less per match than casual fans, and just 3,000 home fans paying top whack prices...you might think is it really cost effective ? I've never understood trying to attract new customers by charging them a lot more than your regulars.. No we are not. The expectation (my expectations anyway) at the time we got promoted to Div 1 was that the crowds would be much bigger than that with an average closer to 30k than 20k. We were playing fantastic football in the promotion season and would be playing against many teams in the 1st Division containing World Cup winning and international stars. The big crowds never quite materialised. But you are right on pricing - much better to slash prices and fill the ground especially for kids.
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Post by kes on Dec 9, 2014 13:35:39 GMT 1
If we had pulled Utd or chelsea out of the hat yesterday they could have sold the place out twice over without factoring in the away fans.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Dec 9, 2014 14:49:55 GMT 1
If we had pulled Utd or chelsea out of the hat yesterday they could have sold the place out twice over without factoring in the away fans. True enough - but we have a small ground and the crowd would be back to less than 15k the following Saturday.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 9, 2014 16:14:27 GMT 1
benik afobe.. coming 'home'...
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Post by BOD squad on Dec 9, 2014 16:29:03 GMT 1
Thought he had signed season loan at MK Galph?
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 9, 2014 16:36:31 GMT 1
Adobe would be a great signing. Much stronger and scoring plenty at MK cows.
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Dec 9, 2014 16:56:03 GMT 1
If we had pulled Utd or chelsea out of the hat yesterday they could have sold the place out twice over without factoring in the away fans. Indeed..... but we got Reading, so will have to wait for the next round. I think I would just prefer an easier home tie and progress further with more dosh from each round and more chance of TV rights
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Post by Essex Terrier on Dec 9, 2014 17:46:29 GMT 1
Surprised the Thread Police haven't been on yet - what's this got to do with Grant Holt - he'll be long gone by the time we play 'em!
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Post by BottomLip on Dec 9, 2014 18:07:07 GMT 1
All this about crowds of 13,000. If this is to do with affording him im pretty sure we could free up space i.e Stead and Pato to accommadate wages. If its to do with Holt playing in front of bigger crowds, then there is zero difference with us and Wigan tbh. If we wanted him we would be pulling out the stops or maybe had a pre agreement set up to purchase Jan? Short term he is perfect, the club obviously see an alternative on the long future. Thanks Grant, perfect professional
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Dec 9, 2014 18:42:46 GMT 1
All this about crowds of 13,000. If this is to do with affording him im pretty sure we could free up space i.e Stead and Pato to accommadate wages. If its to do with Holt playing in front of bigger crowds, then there is zero difference with us and Wigan tbh. If we wanted him we would be pulling out the stops or maybe had a pre agreement set up to purchase Jan? Short term he is perfect, the club obviously see an alternative on the long future. Thanks Grant, perfect professional Its not to do with crowds. Its only to do with the value he has remaining on his massive contract.
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Post by detox on Dec 9, 2014 19:00:52 GMT 1
We do have a broad fan base, a glance back over recent history shows that when Town are doing well then fans flock down. back in the old league 2 in 1965/66 we had a pretty good campaign, being top for quite a long time...and we had gates of 24,532. 18,114. 16,707. 31,876. 19,122. 17,212. 17,855. 17,989. 18,544. 17,350. 19,156. 17,669. 18,479. 19,138 and 24,997. In 1969/70 we got promoted and got crowds of 30,907. 21,699. 21,788. 17,370. 16,960. 17,481. 20,965. 18,502. 24,854. 26,046. and 27,916.
Even in 1979/80 in the old 4th division we pulled in gates of 16,540. 14,875, 17,223. and 16,807...at the start of the season we got 3,313 for Aldershot !
So when fans say we've never pulled in good crowds at Huddersfield , they are wrong. Ok this was all pre- McAlpine Stadium..but historically the casual fans have turned up when there has been something exciting going on.. The reasons why casual fans are not attending now, is that they have never turned up for mid table mediocrity...apart from the early 70's in the 1st division. The obvious solution, apart from competing at the top of the league, is to get fans to buy a SC, they are cheap, you can pay on int free terms and they are a heck of a lot cheaper than paying the gate prices during the season. The problem the club has is they are unable to promote SC's for new fans because they would undercut the renewal prices existing SC holders pay..in fact new applicants have to pay more than a renewal does...this is not attracting fans, it's turning them away...in the same way match day prices is turning fans away and match categories just add to the problem as some fans will turn up for a big game and think, christ £30 to watch Town...and never come back... At some stage Town are going to have to change tactics as regards match day pricing, instead of moaning about fans not coming down....Clibs seems stubbornly reluctant to accept pricing is a factor...so I guess he never fills his car up with petrol at the cheapest petrol station then ? With about 9000 SC holders paying around £10 less per match than casual fans, and just 3,000 home fans paying top whack prices...you might think is it really cost effective ? I've never understood trying to attract new customers by charging them a lot more than your regulars.. No we are not. The expectation (my expectations anyway) at the time we got promoted to Div 1 was that the crowds would be much bigger than that with an average closer to 30k than 20k. We were playing fantastic football in the promotion season and would be playing against many teams in the 1st Division containing World Cup winning and international stars. The big crowds never quite materialised. But you are right on pricing - much better to slash prices and fill the ground especially for kids. Point I was trying to make was that there is an extensive 'general' interest in Town within the area..people who always check our score, but only go when things are rocking. The JSS only allows about 20,000 home fans now, almost half are already SC holders. We have 11,000 empty seats to fill...when we played Barnsley we nearly sold them all...when we played Liverpool we did sell them all..so those fans are still there..We only need 8,000 more of them and I reckon there are double that number...look how many went to Old Trafford. To me Town need to get these people roped in to coming down and then they can tweak the prices up later, but what the club are doing are tweaking the prices up before they come down,so unsurprisingly, they are not coming down..Even the Buy 10 or half season tickets are not cheap enough and regular match day prices are way too high...I'd even say punitive. We've had this argument many times, and the club have weighed up and evaluated all this as uneconomic...so we continue with a half empty stadium,and the poor atmosphere we often seem to have at home games. I'm not saying this is the difinitive answer, all I know is what has been tried so far has not worked...Maybe time for a radical re think ?
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Dec 9, 2014 19:12:59 GMT 1
No we are not. The expectation (my expectations anyway) at the time we got promoted to Div 1 was that the crowds would be much bigger than that with an average closer to 30k than 20k. We were playing fantastic football in the promotion season and would be playing against many teams in the 1st Division containing World Cup winning and international stars. The big crowds never quite materialised. But you are right on pricing - much better to slash prices and fill the ground especially for kids. Point I was trying to make was that there is an extensive 'general' interest in Town within the area..people who always check our score, but only go when things are rocking. The JSS only allows about 20,000 home fans now, almost half are already SC holders. We have 11,000 empty seats to fill...when we played Barnsley we nearly sold them all...when we played Liverpool we did sell them all..so those fans are still there..We only need 8,000 more of them and I reckon there are double that number...look how many went to Old Trafford. To me Town need to get these people roped in to coming down and then they can tweak the prices up later, but what the club are doing are tweaking the prices up before they come down,so unsurprisingly, they are not coming down..Even the Buy 10 or half season tickets are not cheap enough and regular match day prices are way too high...I'd even say punitive. We've had this argument many times, and the club have weighed up and evaluated all this as uneconomic...so we continue with a half empty stadium,and the poor atmosphere we often seem to have at home games. I'm not saying this is the difinitive answer, all I know is what has been tried so far has not worked...Maybe time for a radical re think ? I'm all for a radical re-think on the lines you have suggested. In most normal operations bums on seats would be more important than cost per seat as you could add a lot of value from other sales. It would be better to have 20,000 seat sales at £10 than 10,000 at £20. Problem is we don't control that yet do we? We'll know we do when we get some decent pies!
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Post by detox on Dec 9, 2014 19:48:52 GMT 1
Point I was trying to make was that there is an extensive 'general' interest in Town within the area..people who always check our score, but only go when things are rocking. The JSS only allows about 20,000 home fans now, almost half are already SC holders. We have 11,000 empty seats to fill...when we played Barnsley we nearly sold them all...when we played Liverpool we did sell them all..so those fans are still there..We only need 8,000 more of them and I reckon there are double that number...look how many went to Old Trafford. To me Town need to get these people roped in to coming down and then they can tweak the prices up later, but what the club are doing are tweaking the prices up before they come down,so unsurprisingly, they are not coming down..Even the Buy 10 or half season tickets are not cheap enough and regular match day prices are way too high...I'd even say punitive. We've had this argument many times, and the club have weighed up and evaluated all this as uneconomic...so we continue with a half empty stadium,and the poor atmosphere we often seem to have at home games. I'm not saying this is the difinitive answer, all I know is what has been tried so far has not worked...Maybe time for a radical re think ? I'm all for a radical re-think on the lines you have suggested. In most normal operations bums on seats would be more important than cost per seat as you could add a lot of value from other sales. It would be better to have 20,000 seat sales at £10 than 10,000 at £20. Problem is we don't control that yet do we? We'll know we do when we get some decent pies! we could learn from Fulham on the catering front I reckon...was decent down there... and yes, the 'added benefit' or more fans in the stadium needs to be counted in the 'costings' .. Clibbs ?
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Post by SaudiTerrier on Dec 9, 2014 20:03:51 GMT 1
Adobe would be a great signing. Much stronger and scoring plenty at MK cows. I much prefer Microsoft to Adobe.
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Post by Giggity on Dec 9, 2014 23:36:59 GMT 1
Ooooooooo Benik Afobe. Go get him Town.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Dec 10, 2014 12:03:16 GMT 1
I'm all for a radical re-think on the lines you have suggested. In most normal operations bums on seats would be more important than cost per seat as you could add a lot of value from other sales. It would be better to have 20,000 seat sales at £10 than 10,000 at £20. Problem is we don't control that yet do we? We'll know we do when we get some decent pies! we could learn from Fulham on the catering front I reckon...was decent down there... and yes, the 'added benefit' or more fans in the stadium needs to be counted in the 'costings' .. Clibbs ? I had a posh sausage there - but it was edible. Can't be rocket science to make a decent bacon roll or buy in some nice pies.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 10, 2014 17:04:03 GMT 1
mixed feelings from a town fan who has seen us lose and lose badly a few times at carrow road...shitty drive back, I promise not to swear and intimate that we are in a third world country on the way home if we get something...I wont even attempt the accent..
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