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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Oct 31, 2014 9:05:23 GMT 1
Its a shame Robins doesn't get as much hammer as Clark does on here. Why? Genuinely why does it matter to you? It's gone It might be because Clark failed several times despite having a massive budget and Robins was a qualified success, although it was clearly time for him to leave. Robins also seems an eminently more likeable person.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 9:10:04 GMT 1
Was he unsuccessful at Brum? With the circus going on behind the scenes and the budget he was operating on, I think he did a pretty good job keeping them up for two seasons. I assume that's why Blackpool have gone for him. Well to be fair he didn't get relegated, if only by the thinnest skin on his teeth in the final moments of the last game. As has been pointed out many times, initially he inherited a side that had finished 4th. Only lost 2 players from the squad, neither of whome were that crucial and brought in a raft of his own signings. And managed to turn them into a side that spent most of the season in a relegation scrap before a late run of good results pulled them clear. He lost a few key players after that , didn;'t cope very well but survived, just, but looked likely to go down this time. I just think its pretty bizarre that the club who's bottom would appoint the bloke who's just been sacked by the club who're second bottom. Theres loads of out of work managers who have much better CVs than Clark, ie- at some point in their career they've been a success.Undoubtedly, but why would they go to Blackpool?
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Post by lankystreak on Oct 31, 2014 9:23:01 GMT 1
Maybe that's because Robins achieved his objective (to keep us up) and Clark never did his (to get us up). & robins had integrity and a bit of class about him. This was the key thing for me with Clarky, initially as many have said on here, I really liked the guy. But by the end of his term I found it an embarassment that he was representing our club, his arrogant, agrresive and condescending approach in the media was appalling and he clearly seems to rate himself far more than his cv should actually allow him to. I was glad when he left and I'd be quite happy to see him relegated at Blackpool.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 31, 2014 10:16:47 GMT 1
Same old thread, same old muppets.. Slapps, you're like a broken record. Guessing it must irritate you that he keeps proving the muppets right? Statler- " See Birmingham finally sacked that rubbish manager they had?" Waldorf - " Yes, and Blackpool have given him their job!! HAHAHAHAHAH"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 10:36:19 GMT 1
He made some great signings for us, but he didn't always play them in important games.
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Post by fiatlux on Oct 31, 2014 11:26:09 GMT 1
Wouldn't be at all surprised if he keeps them up. Underestimated by a lot of town fans imo. If he manages to keep that shower up it really will be a notable success on his CV. I really struggle to see that happening though. Don't struggle. Try and think of something important.
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Post by grist on Oct 31, 2014 12:02:30 GMT 1
From what I heard that was more DH's doing. After Millwall he thought we needed toughening up. Personally I thought we just need to buy some more "players of the season" from other clubs. That was a not bad model for buying in new players. PS I might be wrong but I thought Stan signed Pilks?You are indeed wrong - it was Lee Clark who signed Pilkington in January 2009, Stan had left before xmas - can't you remember his comments about his Xmas dinner if he got sacked?? Quite right. Stan signed no-one decent except perhaps Roberts
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Post by grist on Oct 31, 2014 12:07:48 GMT 1
Wards might go now as he knows him. Can you see Blackpool being able to afford Ward? I am a big fan of Ward and I would hate to see him go
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Post by 3Pipe on Nov 1, 2014 16:16:46 GMT 1
Guessing it must irritate you that he keeps proving the muppets right? Right about him never managing in the Championship? As spouted by your good self and others a few years back. The only thing he keeps doing is he keeps on managing in the Championship.
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Post by Bojaj Horseman on Nov 1, 2014 17:21:15 GMT 1
The only thing I can say for sure is that it won't be steady progress. He'll either perform a miracle transformation or it will be an absolute train wreck. He signs players very erratically and is unlikely to have a settled side, but in general the ones he does sign are decent enough. He did keep a Birmingham side in a difficult financial situation in the league last season, and linking back up with Peter Clarke will be of help, but I still reckon you'll be relegated under him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2014 18:01:13 GMT 1
He splits opinion massively on here, we debate Lee Clark still almost every month on this forum. His tenure at Town will always be looked upon fondly by myself, we'd been a bog standard league one side for years, Lee Clark came in around Christmas time and injected some spirit into the place. He was given a considerable amount of money here in his first full season and we played some brilliant attacking football, we would drub teams by 5,6 and 7 goals regularly. However lost out in the playoffs to Millwall, we didn't really have much of a game plan and looked scared. Second season went well too, however our style changed and we went more defensive, went on an impressive unbeaten run, but in a lot of those games seemed to settled for a point rather then go for a win. Clark spent a lot of money again assembling a squad and would bring in a loan player almost every month with either success or complete failure. We did amass a huge number of points, which in the previous seven or something seasons would have seen us automatically promoted. We were pipped to the post by Saints in second place and went into the playoffs, Clark was still hugely popular amongst most Town fans going into the playoff final but it was a train wreck for Town. We lost 3-0, played one up front and left Rhodes on the bench! We deserved promotion this season but we fell apart in the last half hour of the final, many claim Clark was tactically out done again by his counter part. This was probably the beginning of the end for Lee Clark. In his third season we again went about changing personnel and it was never really as exciting as the two previous campaigns, arguably a playoff hangover, but we went unbeaten up until November and lost to the league leaders Charlton. We then went about losing to most of our promotion rivals and Clark did lose the plot somewhat, their didn't look to be a Plan A never mind a Plan B! The pressure seemed to have gotten to him. He was axed with Town sat in the playoffs, but with three clearly better teams in the league then us that season. Funnily enough this was the season we ended up getting promotion, but a lot of that was down to Seff Utd imploding once Ched Evans was sent to prison. He's passionate and will certainly give 100% to the job but he never quite got us over the line when it mattered and ultimately went abit crazy. Expect to see man mountain Peter Clarke handed the captains armband. A very good overview....I might have just emphasised even more, the massive spending/player revolving door
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2014 18:07:48 GMT 1
After Jordan Rhodes I don't think he made one permanent signing that you could call a success and that was over two years before he left. After Rhodes, he signed Arfield who is currently plying his trade in the PL (despite his inconsistency for us under the 3 different managers), he signed Bennett, Gobern, Wallace and Ward who have had their contracts extended by other managers in addition to signing and selling McDermott for a profit. In total Clark signed 24 players permanently on contracts for a year or more. We made at least FIVE times the original fee on Peltier, Pilkington and Rhodes. He bought the best club captain in my forty plus years in Peter Clarke He bought Lee Novak who transitioned from Non League to the Championship via League One. That's in addition to the original 6 named above. Just looking at the Pilkington, Peltier and Rhodes no other Town manager has had anything like that profitability on multiple players from their transfer dealings. Not many managers get the chance to spend that sort of cash in league one though. If you keep signing players your gonna get a gem every now and then no matter who you are. If you take Rhodes out of the equation, I imagine the profits probably plummet into loss. The guy signed 50 odd players in 3 seasons....and couldn't achieve his objective. Time after time loan players were brought in who were quite frankly shite/ineffective. On the plus side, we now have a guy in charge who signed 19 players on a budget in his first season with Charlton and did it in one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2014 18:09:40 GMT 1
Same old thread, same old muppets.. Slapps, you're like a broken record. To be fair pipes a guy has come on asking for our views.. and there are a breadth of views .. I'm sorry but if someone calls lc a cracking manager I can't just sit on my hands cos it's patently not true Its madness, I really don't get why anyone would employ him. He has passion, he works hard, but other than that....?
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Nov 1, 2014 18:15:22 GMT 1
After Rhodes, he signed Arfield who is currently plying his trade in the PL (despite his inconsistency for us under the 3 different managers), he signed Bennett, Gobern, Wallace and Ward who have had their contracts extended by other managers in addition to signing and selling McDermott for a profit. In total Clark signed 24 players permanently on contracts for a year or more. We made at least FIVE times the original fee on Peltier, Pilkington and Rhodes. He bought the best club captain in my forty plus years in Peter Clarke He bought Lee Novak who transitioned from Non League to the Championship via League One. That's in addition to the original 6 named above. Just looking at the Pilkington, Peltier and Rhodes no other Town manager has had anything like that profitability on multiple players from their transfer dealings. Not many managers get the chance to spend that sort of cash in league one though. If you keep signing players your gonna get a gem every now and then no matter who you are. If you take Rhodes out of the equation, I imagine the profits probably plummet into loss. The guy signed 50 odd players in 3 seasons....and couldn't achieve his objective. Time after time loan players were brought in who were quite frankly shite/ineffective. On the plus side, we now have a guy in charge who signed 19 players on a budget in his first season with Charlton and did it in one.I believe the examiner link said he signed 44 players in total. Charlton had a bigger budget than us that season but I wouldn't switch managers back
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2014 18:17:25 GMT 1
Not many managers get the chance to spend that sort of cash in league one though. If you keep signing players your gonna get a gem every now and then no matter who you are. If you take Rhodes out of the equation, I imagine the profits probably plummet into loss. The guy signed 50 odd players in 3 seasons....and couldn't achieve his objective. Time after time loan players were brought in who were quite frankly shite/ineffective. On the plus side, we now have a guy in charge who signed 19 players on a budget in his first season with Charlton and did it in one.I believe the examiner link said he signed 44 players in total. Charlton had a bigger budget than us that season but I wouldn't switch managers back Don't listen to the examiner Doc! no neither would I!
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Nov 1, 2014 18:18:52 GMT 1
I believe the examiner link said he signed 44 players in total. Charlton had a bigger budget than us that season but I wouldn't switch managers back Don't listen to the examiner Doc! no neither would I! I don't, I usually read it
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2014 18:19:16 GMT 1
& robins had integrity and a bit of class about him. This was the key thing for me with Clarky, initially as many have said on here, I really liked the guy. But by the end of his term I found it an embarassment that he was representing our club, his arrogant, agrresive and condescending approach in the media was appalling and he clearly seems to rate himself far more than his cv should actually allow him to. I was glad when he left and I'd be quite happy to see him relegated at Blackpool. Completely agree
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2014 18:20:35 GMT 1
Guessing it must irritate you that he keeps proving the muppets right? Right about him never managing in the Championship? As spouted by your good self and others a few years back. The only thing he keeps doing is he keeps on managing in the Championship. Not particularly well either....
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Post by 3Pipe on Nov 1, 2014 18:28:41 GMT 1
Right about him never managing in the Championship? As spouted by your good self and others a few years back. The only thing he keeps doing is he keeps on managing in the Championship. Not particularly well either.... I don't want to fall out with you again but your opinion on Clark means nothing to me. I'll leave it at that.
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Post by Thwarting Dog on Nov 1, 2014 23:23:53 GMT 1
Which Football Manager would leave your best striker on the bench in a winner takes all play-off final....he was the only person in Old Trafford that day that thought it was the correct thing to do. We had to WIN, was he playing for another draw ? Posh fans pissing themselves after the game with that one. That fat twat Barry Fry gloating and their Chairman, still makes my blood boil even now.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Nov 1, 2014 23:26:49 GMT 1
Which Football Manager would leave your best striker on the bench in a winner takes all play-off final....he was the only person in Old Trafford that day that thought it was the correct thing to do. We had to WIN, was he playing for another draw ? Posh fans pissing themselves after the game with that one. That fat twat Barry Fry gloating and their Chairman, still makes my blood boil even now. It's all in the past now, calm down it's not worth it, just enjoy what we saw today against a billy big bollox club.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 0:58:22 GMT 1
I thought he did alright with us, but that a handful of managers did better, including our current one. Without wishing to upset pipes too much, I met him at a couple of corporate do's and it wasn't an experience that endeared me to him.
I was a 22 year old clearly invited on a freebie and when I asked whether he thought Kay was a better midfielder or defender he bit my head off with some bullshit about the flexibility of his playaz. It was an innocuous question asked with no malice. After that he stalked off to hide in a corner. It was petty.
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