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Post by townatheart on Nov 22, 2014 16:31:08 GMT 1
Be careful. You can't say a bad word against the manager. DATM says so. As per normal, your incisive and superior wit shines through, shame all the rest are so lacking in insight and understanding, not to mention leaving you as one of the rare few of the brave and strong able to stand up agonist the sub-par DATM hoards.
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Nov 22, 2014 16:31:09 GMT 1
Against good sides I can accept a negative set up - against Sheff Wed at home it's bollocks.
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Post by Colt Seavers on Nov 22, 2014 16:31:45 GMT 1
Mel, try quitting the sarcasm. I know Town can't do a lot wrong in your eyes but today was wrong tactics from the off against a side I know only too well was there for the taking. I got a message I am more than happy to show you from Jacobs coach saying "Wells injured" We set up to get the draw we ended up with. With the fourth best away record in the table - it would seem that they aren't the pushovers you know them to be. And today were the first starts for GTF and McGugan so your prior knowledge is clearly of a different lineup. funny because I could of sworn I saw a very unfit looking Taylor-Fletcher start against Rotherham and subbed for Nihui. I bow to your greater knowledge.
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Post by Colt Seavers on Nov 22, 2014 16:34:26 GMT 1
It was just a poor game today Thought poyet was poor too Valid point. What was the point of this signing and what did he bring to today's game?
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Post by Thwarting Dog on Nov 22, 2014 17:12:22 GMT 1
Hey Doc, in my opinion Ward and Wells are not bit part players, its just how the manager set town up not to lose today. A more bold team selection might have undone them from the off. It was only Wednesday after all. You've surely got to play 2 up top at home in these winnable games. Well played Murphy by the way.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Nov 22, 2014 17:23:41 GMT 1
Hey Doc, in my opinion Ward and Wells are not bit part players, its just how the manager set town up not to lose today. A more bold team selection might have undone them from the off. It was only Wednesday after all. You've surely got to play 2 up top at home in these winnable games. Well played Murphy by the way. I would have understood if Wells would have started but I would have been stunned if Ward would have been preferred to Bunn before kickoff. Powell has had success with this formation so I will not criticise him for picking it today. The problem with using 2 distinct different formations is that if we don't win then he is bound to be criticised for not playing the other one. I thought Coady and Bunn played well below their usual standards today and that's not down to any formation, with Poyet in midfield we didn't seem as fluid and quick to support Holt I think it's wrong just to pick him out because as I said Coady and Bunn were also below par today. If we had played 4-4-2 and got similarly poor performances from 2 of those 3, whose to know we may have lost and then no doubt there would be complaints that he didn't play how we started today.
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Post by Yesss on Nov 22, 2014 17:26:45 GMT 1
Negative from the off. Should have been beaten. Another messer of a manager. lol
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Post by thrice on Nov 22, 2014 17:29:42 GMT 1
He should practice what he preached & get two up top!
I trust that it was not under instruction but our throw deep in injury time summed up our day.
Rather than being positive & getting the ball into the box we tried to kill it, f*cked it up & very nearly paid the price back up our end in an instant.
A forgettable afternoon that was there for the taking.
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Post by Floyds on Nov 22, 2014 17:30:10 GMT 1
Everyone would have started Bunn, surely.
Holt up front on his own only works if we get people forward to support him, and none of the three central midfielders did that.
Wells needs to start games at home to sides like Wednesday (I.e. around us in the league).
Even accepting the starting 11, Wells had to come on at half time given we'd not mustered one shot on target (and didn't until he came on).
Hopefully we'll learn and be a bit more positive at home going forward.
We can't concede 3 and lose away and only draw at home on an on going basis, otherwise we all know we'll be sucked into another relegation fight.
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Post by terrierpark on Nov 22, 2014 17:36:53 GMT 1
I dont think that the performance warrants a pop at the manager BUT i do get the drift of why the complainers are unhappy.
I have heard how Powell has previously emphasised the old 3 games in a week, hard work tiredness etc and fair enough the Forest, Derby and Fulham away was a hard run of games, but today after two weeks off i have to ask, where was the energy and commitment ?
I missed some games recently due to work and a holiday but the vibe i got was that we had turned the corner, only to witness a match thrown away at Fulham in which domination counted for nothing when your only option is to go down the wing and try and cross. I saw the same again today a totally one dimensional attack plan and very little for us to get excited about. There was some positives a great debut by Murphy who earned us the point and a steady debut by Poet , but on the whole today was a winnable game that in old Bobbins style we set up not to lose rather than try and win.
Of course you get dull games over the course of a season but in injury time at 0-0 with a throw in to Town no one could be arsed and we gave the ball away and they nearly scored. 2 weeks rest and we witness this in front of us in the NSL URGING THEM ON. Your right Mr Powell, when you closed your summary the other week, with the old Bobbins words "Were a work in progress". Perhaps with a bit more hard work and a more attacking formation from the off we might do better.
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Post by upthetown on Nov 22, 2014 17:47:02 GMT 1
Boring Boring (predictable) Colt.
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Post by Thwarting Dog on Nov 22, 2014 17:59:23 GMT 1
Doc, Bunn was shite at Fulham, If you drop your standards you make way for the next man all in my opinion. I'd have given Ward the shirt today. Wells should have been first name on the team sheet against Wednesday. Very surprised / baffled with this one up top negativity at home. At least L666ds lost, well done Jordan
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 17:59:40 GMT 1
Can't understand how you're not coaching at Real Madrid Mel, try quitting the sarcasm. I know Town can't do a lot wrong in your eyes but today was wrong tactics from the off against a side I know only too well was there for the taking. I got a message I am more than happy to show you from Jacobs coach saying "Wells injured" We set up to get the draw we ended up with. Not true mate, I've been very critical of the club at times when it's warranted, but that line is just typical of how you air your views on here, looking to get a reaction. We were poor today, had we started Wells, would we have won? I don't know, we looked very susceptible after the changes even though we posed more of a threat up front. What I do know is I don't need to come on here starting a thread after the game, pontificating over the team selection after the final whistle. Now where do I sign up for that Level 3 coaching badge in hindsight management. * *sarcasm intended
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Post by galpharm2400 on Nov 22, 2014 18:03:29 GMT 1
you could not tell from the tactics and the play itself who was at home..thats very disappointing.. 3 holding central midfield players??
we will have to win games between now and the end of the season..if we treat wendies with such respect then its going to get very dull when better teams come here..
powell needs to stop playing the other team and get us playing rather than 'keeping it tight'.. wendies produced nothing for themselves and we still almost gave them the winner late on..
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Post by Thwarting Dog on Nov 22, 2014 18:03:33 GMT 1
No Mel, one up top at home, come on. This was a winnable game
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Post by upthetown on Nov 22, 2014 18:09:06 GMT 1
you could not tell from the tactics and the play itself who was at home..thats very disappointing.. 3 holding central midfield players?? we will have to win games between now and the end of the season..if we treat wendies with such respect then its going to get very dull when better teams come here.. powell needs to stop playing the other team and get us playing rather than 'keeping it tight'.. wendies produced nothing for themselves and we still almost gave them the winner late on.. Don't see Butterfield as a holding midfielder at all. He was often our furthest forward player.
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 22, 2014 18:10:50 GMT 1
It was just a poor game today Thought poyet was poor too He was my MOM ! He only gave the ball away about twice all game, he won tackles and did everything simply and with no fuss. My only problem was he played in Coadys best position and so Coady had a poor game but thats down to the manager.
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 22, 2014 18:15:00 GMT 1
One up top is ok but it fell apart becuase Bunn was so bad and Scanz was up against a full back who was as quick and strong as he is, and with hindsight Hogg was better suited to the role Coady played but leaving him out would be harsh after the season hes had sofar
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Post by Giggity on Nov 22, 2014 18:28:32 GMT 1
Be careful. You can't say a bad word against the manager. DATM says so. As per normal, your incisive and superior wit shines through, shame all the rest are so lacking in insight and understanding, not to mention leaving you as one of the rare few of the brave and strong able to stand up agonist the sub-par DATM hoards. Cheers. It is tough, I must admit.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Nov 22, 2014 18:35:27 GMT 1
I thought Poyet was very average, just a poor performance but we'd of lost that with Bobins
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Nov 22, 2014 18:35:18 GMT 1
One up top is ok but it fell apart becuase Bunn was so bad and Scanz was up against a full back who was as quick and strong as he is, and with hindsight Hogg was better suited to the role Coady played but leaving him out would be harsh after the season hes had sofar Don't think it was so much that Bunn was so bad but that the full back was very decent, and Bunn didn't have much of a plan B when he couldn't get behind him. Poyets inclusion is puzzling considering Coady's excellence this season. It definitely affected us. So Man U trying to solve the eternal problem of playing two up front by going 3 at the back, while defensive Arsenal go 4-3-3 at home like us.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 22, 2014 18:37:59 GMT 1
No real problems with the starting 11 or the tactics, after all they have garnered a few good results of late and good performances. That's the main problem today though for me, the performance. We were poor from the off,lacked a spark, lacked tempo and lacked any real quality, but that was the same for both teams, a real lack of quality. Bunn was unable to get the better of the Wednesday right back, Scannell had a little more joy but his teams mates failed to anticipate his crosses. Wells, sorry mate but you are trying too hard to win your place back and it's leading you to panic and make bad decisions at key times. Poyet....ummm, not sure what he brings to the table, thought he was average to poor.
Today is 2 points dropped for me, we failed to seize the initiative to get the game won against a poor Wednesday team, I can see why they are struggling to score goals. The only way Wednesday were gonna score was a from a set play, which they nearly did at the death. Think we could have done with winning today given we're away at Bolton next and then Brentford at home.
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Post by shawsie on Nov 22, 2014 18:44:15 GMT 1
It was just a poor game today Thought poyet was poor too He was my MOM ! He only gave the ball away about twice all game, he won tackles and did everything simply and with no fuss. My only problem was he played in Coadys best position and so Coady had a poor game but thats down to the manager. Im genuinely baffled how anyone could be impressed with poyet today..........thought he slowed us down, was ponderous in possession and rarely won tackles. Did look at times like he had a touch of class and was unruffled on the ball, but was underwhelmed personally - the high tempo and quick pressing seen v forest disappeared in a flash with him replacing hogg. If i was scouting against us though, then look no further than our full backs? Never been convinced with either and against the better teams at this level, smith and dixon will be big weak links imo. Dixons second touch was often a tackle, and smith positionally is so poor at times its ridiculous......how many more crosses is he going to allow in unchallenged?!
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Post by mickydombat on Nov 22, 2014 18:45:29 GMT 1
Art terrier have to say you are probably right. Once we went two up front though we looked vulnerable. Accommodating Poyet seemed to put Coady off his game, but it was a promising debut. However, I hope he is more adventurous in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 18:46:22 GMT 1
He was my MOM ! He only gave the ball away about twice all game, he won tackles and did everything simply and with no fuss. My only problem was he played in Coadys best position and so Coady had a poor game but thats down to the manager. Im genuinely baffled how anyone could be impressed with poyet today..........thought he slowed us down, was ponderous in possession and rarely won tackles. Did look at times like he had a touch of class and was unruffled on the ball, but was underwhelmed personally - the high tempo and quick pressing seen v forest disappeared in a flash with him replacing hogg. If i was scouting against us though, then look no further than our full backs? Never been convinced with either and against the better teams at this level, smith and dixon will be big weak links imo. Dixons second touch was often a tackle, and smith positionally is so poor at times its ridiculous......how many more crosses is he going to allow in unchallenged?! We do look poor at full back, not sure Smith is doing enough to keep his place but I'm not sure Peltief is any better.
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 22, 2014 18:52:36 GMT 1
I thought Poyet was very average, just a poor performance but we'd of lost that with Bobins That means I was right then Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 18:57:02 GMT 1
I dont think that the performance warrants a pop at the manager BUT i do get the drift of why the complainers are unhappy. I have heard how Powell has previously emphasised the old 3 games in a week, hard work tiredness etc and fair enough the Forest, Derby and Fulham away was a hard run of games, but today after two weeks off i have to ask, where was the energy and commitment ? I missed some games recently due to work and a holiday but the vibe i got was that we had turned the corner, only to witness a match thrown away at Fulham in which domination counted for nothing when your only option is to go down the wing and try and cross. I saw the same again today a totally one dimensional attack plan and very little for us to get excited about. There was some positives a great debut by Murphy who earned us the point and a steady debut by Poet , but on the whole today was a winnable game that in old Bobbins style we set up not to lose rather than try and win. Of course you get dull games over the course of a season but in injury time at 0-0 with a throw in to Town no one could be arsed and we gave the ball away and they nearly scored. 2 weeks rest and we witness this in front of us in the NSL URGING THEM ON. Your right Mr Powell, when you closed your summary the other week, with the old Bobbins words "Were a work in progress". Perhaps with a bit more hard work and a more attacking formation from the off we might do better. commitment? there was no lack ofthat and when the game changed to us going 4 2 4 we were more vunerable than before. every point is a good one and typical town fans have a go at the tactics when we dont win. get real we have a battle on to keep up but powell is doing a good job so support him
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Nov 22, 2014 18:57:17 GMT 1
Im genuinely baffled how anyone could be impressed with poyet today..........thought he slowed us down, was ponderous in possession and rarely won tackles. Did look at times like he had a touch of class and was unruffled on the ball, but was underwhelmed personally - the high tempo and quick pressing seen v forest disappeared in a flash with him replacing hogg. If i was scouting against us though, then look no further than our full backs? Never been convinced with either and against the better teams at this level, smith and dixon will be big weak links imo. Dixons second touch was often a tackle, and smith positionally is so poor at times its ridiculous......how many more crosses is he going to allow in unchallenged?! We do look poor at full back, not sure Smith is doing enough to keep his place but I'm not sure Peltief is any better. Adam Hammill it is then
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Post by dickya on Nov 22, 2014 18:58:06 GMT 1
Negative from the off. Should have been beaten. Another messer of a manager. Surprise/ surprise a negative post from Colt,mid life crisis or what, been there ,seen that, done that.Do you ever post anything posotive!!!!
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Post by shawsie on Nov 22, 2014 18:59:57 GMT 1
Im genuinely baffled how anyone could be impressed with poyet today..........thought he slowed us down, was ponderous in possession and rarely won tackles. Did look at times like he had a touch of class and was unruffled on the ball, but was underwhelmed personally - the high tempo and quick pressing seen v forest disappeared in a flash with him replacing hogg. If i was scouting against us though, then look no further than our full backs? Never been convinced with either and against the better teams at this level, smith and dixon will be big weak links imo. Dixons second touch was often a tackle, and smith positionally is so poor at times its ridiculous......how many more crosses is he going to allow in unchallenged?! We do look poor at full back, not sure Smith is doing enough to keep his place but I'm not sure Peltief is any better. Nor am i Graham, but he surely deserves a chance there.....hes been played in every position except the one were he is most comfortable imo. Some folks have decided he is worse than smith, but i dont see it.........think smith can do a job as part of a back 3 and as stopgap fullback, but not longterm for me in what is an increasingly important role in any team. As an aside, thought both wed fullbacks were excellent today.
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