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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 12, 2014 17:48:57 GMT 1
Becchio back in training at Norwich after injury..his loan at Rotherham is up at the end of December.. clever central striker, if fit might be an option for a loan till summer??
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 13:06:22 GMT 1
He was the best player on the pitch that day, madness to drop him.....and yet most folk would gladly give him away now. Not so mad after all then? - Or... Bring Back Robins! I haven't seen him play for 12 months or so, so I wouldn't really know, yet he's obviously not making much of an impression at the moment. But it was a stupid decision to drop him after his performance in that particular game, he was exceptional.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 13:09:48 GMT 1
I expect at least one signing to have a Charlton or ex-Charlton connection. If Town were interested in more young lower-league talent at this time then I've previously suggested Ryan Woods of Shrewsbury and Matt Grimes and Tom Nichols of Exeter City, and I know for a fact that Town are well aware of all three. Apart from that, I haven't a clue! Outgoings are easier to predict......could be a lengthy list and most of us can name the likely candidates.......Stead, Paterson, Gobern, Ward (possibly), Gerrard (probably), Hammill (very unlikely IMO), Crooks, Sinnott, Carr, Carroll, Duane Holmes (unlikely?), Peltier (probably), Majewski (return to Forest?).........that's 13 players. Some may be permanent, but I think most will be long-term loan with a view to signing in the summer. Unless I'm mistaken Majewski being a season long loan, can't be returned to Forest. Whats going on with him? I think he'd compliment some of the other CM's we've got available in a midfield 3.
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Post by benmsmith4 on Dec 13, 2014 18:10:33 GMT 1
Okay so seen as Gerrard couldn't even get on the pitch today I'd assume he's off in Jan, also I really think Wallace needs to go or at least be loaned out. Holt going back and Vaughan likely to get injured again. Wouldn't change midfield if I'm honest.
All in all I make that x2 centre backs and x2 strikers required in Jan (the latter will obviously be difficult to acquire).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 18:14:54 GMT 1
Okay so seen as Gerrard couldn't even get on the pitch today I'd assume he's off in Jan, also I really think Wallace needs to go or at least be loaned out. Holt going back and Vaughan likely to get injured again. Wouldn't change midfield if I'm honest. All in all I make that x2 centre backs and x2 strikers required in Jan (the latter will obviously be difficult to acquire). I think it's looking ever more likely gerrard will be moved on, not because he's not a good enough CB but because he's a high maintainance prick.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 18:54:50 GMT 1
Okay so seen as Gerrard couldn't even get on the pitch today I'd assume he's off in Jan, also I really think Wallace needs to go or at least be loaned out. Holt going back and Vaughan likely to get injured again. Wouldn't change midfield if I'm honest. All in all I make that x2 centre backs and x2 strikers required in Jan (the latter will obviously be difficult to acquire). I think it's looking ever more likely gerrard will be moved on, not because he's not a good enough CB but because he's a high maintainance prick. ...who has never really let us down on the pitch?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 19:00:47 GMT 1
I think it's looking ever more likely gerrard will be moved on, not because he's not a good enough CB but because he's a high maintainance prick. ...who has never really let us down on the pitch? Did I say he had?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2014 19:09:37 GMT 1
...who has never really let us down on the pitch? Did I say he had? I didn't say you said he had!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 14:12:09 GMT 1
There was talk about a Hanson Stead swap. Would yous be happy with that?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 14:45:38 GMT 1
There was talk about a Hanson Stead swap. Would yous be happy with that? there is defently a strong possibility os f stead going to bradford/ regarding hanson a bit injury prone we have enough of them and while he worked well with wells unproven at our level.Yes he did well in league cup against good opposition but doing it over a season is very different. its playeres with championship experience we need
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Post by Essex Terrier on Dec 16, 2014 15:00:55 GMT 1
There was talk about a Hanson Stead swap. Would yous be happy with that? No.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Dec 16, 2014 15:04:16 GMT 1
There was talk about a Hanson Stead swap. Would yous be happy with that? ....thank you!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 15:23:27 GMT 1
will sign some decent players and turn them into a bunch of misfit bench warmers
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 16, 2014 15:38:25 GMT 1
what about taking what we have and 'transferring' the team a bit further up the pitch.
bring in players we already have but a bit further away from our goal...
what about having butterfield as a full time forward thinking/playing central midfielder rather than holding hands with hogg and coady..
signing/loaning players and getting them to play how we do now wont make a gnats bollox of difference..
give 11 men something to think about when you have 10?? no chance, change it, sit in and allow them the run of the field..see if you can keep the score down and fail badly even at that...
powell does not need a load of his 'own players' he needs a rethink on what he and his staff are doing..
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Dec 16, 2014 16:05:17 GMT 1
What's the point of holding on to players who won't play a part in towns championship survival . The transfer window is a perfect opportunity to offload any deadwood which is more easily said than done, but vital that any savings/profit are used to bring in championship quality players/player with an aim of keeping the club in this division. Any fresh investment in players could be the difference between holding on to the £6 million + income which is the difference between championship and first division clubs.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 16, 2014 16:23:50 GMT 1
the 'point' is we cant just 'offload' them and we cant afford all these 'championship quality' players you allude to, even if they actually wanted to come here in the first place. We have a squad that will make up the vast majority of what goes forward from January. Time to stop dreaming of 'unloading the deadwood and replacing them with quality', time to start looking at what we are doing now and change it, with the players we have now.
Town as a club have been 'dreaming about this progress to the promised land' for too long and have failed badly to deal with the here and now. The future is Birmingham on Saturday and if we are not looking to take the game on and try to win it from minute one to the last then the 'airy fairy' promise of steady progress to our 'bright future' looks even more bollox than it was before.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 16:29:37 GMT 1
the 'point' is we cant just 'offload' them and we cant afford all these 'championship quality' players you allude to, even if they actually wanted to come here in the first place. We have a squad that will make up the vast majority of what goes forward from January. Time to stop dreaming of 'unloading the deadwood and replacing them with quality', time to start looking at what we are doing now and change it, with the players we have now. Town as a club have been 'dreaming about this progress to the promised land' for too long and have failed badly to deal with the here and now. The future is Birmingham on Saturday and if we are not looking to take the game on and try to win it from minute one to the last then the 'airy fairy' promise of steady progress to our 'bright future' looks even more bollox than it was before. You're on a roll today, mate. It doesn't sit very nicely but you're not a million miles off the mark.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 16, 2014 16:50:47 GMT 1
9 points to be won till we can even think about loans/signings. add 9 points to our total and January looks very different. add a couple of points or worse and January becomes vital and the pressure is of our own making. We can win the next 3 games, forget about signings, look to win them and January isn't as frightening. The idea that lower league players will see our training facilities etc and want to play for us in the first division is the attitude that has kept us towards the bottom of this division, just enough does not cut it for me, ending up in the bottom after giving it our very best go is a different matter. Trying to 'obtain' just enough points wont work again.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Dec 16, 2014 16:52:45 GMT 1
the 'point' is we cant just 'offload' them and we cant afford all these 'championship quality' players you allude to, even if they actually wanted to come here in the first place. We have a squad that will make up the vast majority of what goes forward from January. Time to stop dreaming of 'unloading the deadwood and replacing them with quality', time to start looking at what we are doing now and change it, with the players we have now. Town as a club have been 'dreaming about this progress to the promised land' for too long and have failed badly to deal with the here and now. The future is Birmingham on Saturday and if we are not looking to take the game on and try to win it from minute one to the last then the 'airy fairy' promise of steady progress to our 'bright future' looks even more bollox than it was before. You're on a roll today, mate. It doesn't sit very nicely but you're not a million miles off the mark. The only promise land I am referring to is survival in the championship , especially after the departure of Holt . I certainly take your point regarding which players will be going forward next season, but no need to buy if certain players could show more consistency.
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Post by jimmymcgill on Dec 16, 2014 17:10:54 GMT 1
DH has already said he cannot afford to take us into the greedy league so his primary concern is to keep us in the Championship so we are a more saleable proposition to whoever.Spending enough to make us a top six challenger may be beyond his desires so we have to stay put until DH sells on that basis.Not palatable but I have a contact with the Burnley chairman and he made it clear to Dyche when it looked like they were going up that he was virtually on his own spending wise and this has proved to be the case.Thay are doing a decent job - just a pity Town cannot get the team spirit together to do what Burnley did with a lot of average Championship players - Arfield included - plus two decent strikers in Ings and Voakes but looked what happened when they got injured - Jutkeiwicz was all they could afford! If top six ever happens or better ,great, but I do not expect DH or this board to push for it.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 16, 2014 17:20:34 GMT 1
jimmy..
as you see im not in the 'shed a load, spend a load' brigade. I guess some think that the wages we pay a lot of the named 'deadwood' would fund an injection of 'championship quality'??
clearly that rubbish and we really do now need to get more from what we have. continuing on the sneaking a few points here and there isn going to keep us 'safe' in the championship. working on the principle that 3 teams will be worse than us isn't and hasn't ever been a sensible ethos.
there are teams that we have to seriously be looking to beat and 3 of them are next in line. It will be interesting , to say the least to see how we 'attack' these matches.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Dec 16, 2014 17:42:56 GMT 1
jimmy.. as you see im not in the 'shed a load, spend a load' brigade. I guess some think that the wages we pay a lot of the named 'deadwood' would fund an injection of 'championship quality'?? clearly that rubbish and we really do now need to get more from what we have. continuing on the sneaking a few points here and there isn going to keep us 'safe' in the championship. working on the principle that 3 teams will be worse than us isn't and hasn't ever been a sensible ethos. there are teams that we have to seriously be looking to beat and 3 of them are next in line. It will be interesting , to say the least to see how we 'attack' these matches. Powell mentioned that he would be looking to strenthen the squad when the transfer window opens, and feel certain that players will be leaving to make that possible. Holt needs to be replacing for a start , and surely we need to bring in another central defender.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 16, 2014 17:50:05 GMT 1
Deffo signing the Dutch striker, dunno his name but Will have A van Or Vonnegut in the middle.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 16, 2014 18:02:20 GMT 1
'looking to strengthen' and 'feeling certain' are merely possibilities. whatever happens in January the 11 starters will mostly be made up from what we have now. Holt wont be here, that's about the only certainty.
to re-iterate 9 points to be won before then. should dean and powell have a superb January window its still a huge gap to make up if we bollox up the next 3 games. the future is Saturday..
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Dec 16, 2014 18:25:08 GMT 1
DH has already said he cannot afford to take us into the greedy league so his primary concern is to keep us in the Championship so we are a more saleable proposition to whoever.Spending enough to make us a top six challenger may be beyond his desires so we have to stay put until DH sells on that basis.Not palatable but I have a contact with the Burnley chairman and he made it clear to Dyche when it looked like they were going up that he was virtually on his own spending wise and this has proved to be the case.Thay are doing a decent job - just a pity Town cannot get the team spirit together to do what Burnley did with a lot of average Championship players - Arfield included - plus two decent strikers in Ings and Voakes but looked what happened when they got injured - Jutkeiwicz was all they could afford! If top six ever happens or better ,great, but I do not expect DH or this board to push for it. Wonder what happened there? I thought you are supposed to get loads of cash when you get to the greedy league with the Championship play off game being the "richest" in the world. How come they can only afford Jutkeiwicz (and even if you could why would you). Squad wage bill can't go up that much. Are they keeping the brass and already planning for relegation and what to do with it next season in the Championship?
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Dec 16, 2014 18:31:25 GMT 1
jimmy.. as you see im not in the 'shed a load, spend a load' brigade. I guess some think that the wages we pay a lot of the named 'deadwood' would fund an injection of 'championship quality'?? clearly that rubbish and we really do now need to get more from what we have. continuing on the sneaking a few points here and there isn going to keep us 'safe' in the championship. working on the principle that 3 teams will be worse than us isn't and hasn't ever been a sensible ethos. there are teams that we have to seriously be looking to beat and 3 of them are next in line. It will be interesting , to say the least to see how we 'attack' these matches. I'm with galpharm2400 on this - a lot more to be got out of the current squad, and the most critical 3 games of the season coming up. Hope we don't get distracted with transfers. CP needs to be focussed 100% on winning these three games. Of course we might not but we need to see the intent to do so. I don't think we need to be gung-ho. Just press them to buggery and back - we have a squad quite capable of doing that, now its a test to see if we have the management team to do that.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Dec 16, 2014 18:35:33 GMT 1
the 'point' is we cant just 'offload' them and we cant afford all these 'championship quality' players you allude to, even if they actually wanted to come here in the first place. We have a squad that will make up the vast majority of what goes forward from January. Time to stop dreaming of 'unloading the deadwood and replacing them with quality', time to start looking at what we are doing now and change it, with the players we have now. Town as a club have been 'dreaming about this progress to the promised land' for too long and have failed badly to deal with the here and now. The future is Birmingham on Saturday and if we are not looking to take the game on and try to win it from minute one to the last then the 'airy fairy' promise of steady progress to our 'bright future' looks even more bollox than it was before. Going overboard with the 'quotation marks' aren't you? What're you 'trying' to 'achieve'?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 18:47:33 GMT 1
Deffo signing the Dutch striker, dunno his name but Will have A van Or Vonnegut in the middle. Heartz Van Rental, loan?
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 16, 2014 19:36:42 GMT 1
just making my 'point'. other than that not trying to 'achieve' much else. maybe you either agree/disagree with the post, maybe you don't care either way, not sure what pointing out some quotation marks is trying to 'achieve'?
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Dec 16, 2014 20:50:50 GMT 1
just making my 'point'. other than that not trying to 'achieve' much else. maybe you either agree/disagree with the post, maybe you don't care either way, not sure what pointing out some quotation marks is trying to 'achieve'? I'm simply pointing out that your use of quotation marks makes no sense whatsoever. It is plain odd, that's all, and they detract from your comment.
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