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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 9:42:29 GMT 1
I wish it did mean what you correctly state it means. This is the small print;
Under the transfer embargoes, the three clubs will be prohibited from signing any new players - either on a permanent or loan deal - unless they have 24 or fewer "established players", which is described as 24 players aged 21 or over that have made at least five starts for the club. What makes FFP farcical to me is how long it takes, after the event, to determine if the rules have been broken, and then for sanctions to be imposed. The season has finished months ago, and here we are half way through the next season.
The 'unfair advantage' these clubs gained occured during the last season so the FL need to impose the sanctions during the period they are being broken .surely that is only fair to the other clubs in the league ? If you consider a club relegated because they lost to a club breaking the rules, what come back do they have at this stage ? Similarly teams who might miss out on promotion, or the play offs for the same reason ?
I don't know any businesses that only do accounts after the year is over, they all do monthly accounts so they know where they are going financially, so why can they not produce figures for the FFP regulator the same way ? In fact, if I was Dean I'd be demanding to know every month how near or far from the FFP limits I was, wouldn't you ?
If that system was in place then you could apply points deductions for every month they are exceeding the limits, during the same season. You can't tell me these big clubs don't have sophisticated financial computer systems, and qualified accountants who can assimilate the figures and do projections up to the end of the season.
The sting for clubs thinking they can fiddle the numbers all year would be an accumulative points deduction and a hefty fine.
It's not beyond the wit of man to I wouldn't have thought to implement a system that measures FFP month by month, because that is the only fair way to operate FFP, fair to the clubs who are complying and fair the fans.
Isn't it the right and freewill of a privately owned company to run itself into the ground,, or benefit from directors loans to whatever limit that company thinks is appropriate?
If football teams are losing £10m or £20m a season, but continuing to survive and exist then so what, it must be manageable to that particular football club. When it becomes unmanageable then they are sold to someone who thinks he can rejiggle the finances or provide further cash injection to keep the club going, or they go bust.
Why shouldnt a rich man or company be allowed to dump £30m of debt in a single year into a company that they own in the pursuit of success if they so wish?
Football isn't a franchised sport in this country, nor is it a market regulated by the FSA or whatever they're called nowadays; perhaps the authorities should stop treating it like one?
We need a few football clubs to disappear for the good of the game. THEN you would see good financial control start to be demonstrated.
As someone stated on another thread, FFP is irrelevant, we as a club simply have to operate within our means, whatever they are.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 30, 2015 10:42:57 GMT 1
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Post by Russlad on Jan 30, 2015 10:49:59 GMT 1
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 30, 2015 10:58:36 GMT 1
An absolute biased yids journo Russ mate, a typical yids moron.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 30, 2015 11:12:51 GMT 1
If anyone from the club reads this thread today can they put this on the dressing room wall to show the lads how delusional these fucking pricks are
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Post by detox on Jan 30, 2015 11:14:15 GMT 1
What makes FFP farcical to me is how long it takes, after the event, to determine if the rules have been broken, and then for sanctions to be imposed. The season has finished months ago, and here we are half way through the next season. The 'unfair advantage' these clubs gained occured during the last season so the FL need to impose the sanctions during the period they are being broken .surely that is only fair to the other clubs in the league ? If you consider a club relegated because they lost to a club breaking the rules, what come back do they have at this stage ? Similarly teams who might miss out on promotion, or the play offs for the same reason ? I don't know any businesses that only do accounts after the year is over, they all do monthly accounts so they know where they are going financially, so why can they not produce figures for the FFP regulator the same way ? In fact, if I was Dean I'd be demanding to know every month how near or far from the FFP limits I was, wouldn't you ? If that system was in place then you could apply points deductions for every month they are exceeding the limits, during the same season. You can't tell me these big clubs don't have sophisticated financial computer systems, and qualified accountants who can assimilate the figures and do projections up to the end of the season. The sting for clubs thinking they can fiddle the numbers all year would be an accumulative points deduction and a hefty fine. It's not beyond the wit of man to I wouldn't have thought to implement a system that measures FFP month by month, because that is the only fair way to operate FFP, fair to the clubs who are complying and fair the fans. Isn't it the right and freewill of a privately owned company to run itself into the ground,, or benefit from directors loans to whatever limit that company thinks is appropriate? If football teams are losing £10m or £20m a season, but continuing to survive and exist then so what, it must be manageable to that particular football club. When it becomes unmanageable then they are sold to someone who thinks he can rejiggle the finances or provide further cash injection to keep the club going, or they go bust. Why shouldnt a rich man or company be allowed to dump £30m of debt in a single year into a company that they own in the pursuit of success if they so wish? Football isn't a franchised sport in this country, nor is it a market regulated by the FSA or whatever they're called nowadays; perhaps the authorities should stop treating it like one? We need a few football clubs to disappear for the good of the game. THEN you would see good financial control start to be demonstrated. As someone stated on another thread, FFP is irrelevant, we as a club simply have to operate within our means, whatever they are. Rules ofthe competition,it isn't like free market economy style Capitalism.. You might just as well say the richest dart players can pay to stand just 2 feet from the dart board.....
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Post by detox on Jan 30, 2015 11:17:52 GMT 1
If anyone from the club reads this thread today can they put this on the dressing room wall to show the lads how delusional these fucking pricks are yeah, but he's right..it will be our biggest gate of the season, and for many Town fans their only trip to the JSS this season .. so what ? They'll bring 4,000 we might have 15,000 or so, beating our previous highest of 14,400 home fans for the Middlesbrough game..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 11:22:34 GMT 1
What makes FFP farcical to me is how long it takes, after the event, to determine if the rules have been broken, and then for sanctions to be imposed. The season has finished months ago, and here we are half way through the next season. The 'unfair advantage' these clubs gained occured during the last season so the FL need to impose the sanctions during the period they are being broken .surely that is only fair to the other clubs in the league ? If you consider a club relegated because they lost to a club breaking the rules, what come back do they have at this stage ? Similarly teams who might miss out on promotion, or the play offs for the same reason ? I don't know any businesses that only do accounts after the year is over, they all do monthly accounts so they know where they are going financially, so why can they not produce figures for the FFP regulator the same way ? In fact, if I was Dean I'd be demanding to know every month how near or far from the FFP limits I was, wouldn't you ? If that system was in place then you could apply points deductions for every month they are exceeding the limits, during the same season. You can't tell me these big clubs don't have sophisticated financial computer systems, and qualified accountants who can assimilate the figures and do projections up to the end of the season. The sting for clubs thinking they can fiddle the numbers all year would be an accumulative points deduction and a hefty fine. It's not beyond the wit of man to I wouldn't have thought to implement a system that measures FFP month by month, because that is the only fair way to operate FFP, fair to the clubs who are complying and fair the fans. Isn't it the right and freewill of a privately owned company to run itself into the ground,, or benefit from directors loans to whatever limit that company thinks is appropriate? If football teams are losing £10m or £20m a season, but continuing to survive and exist then so what, it must be manageable to that particular football club. When it becomes unmanageable then they are sold to someone who thinks he can rejiggle the finances or provide further cash injection to keep the club going, or they go bust. Why shouldnt a rich man or company be allowed to dump £30m of debt in a single year into a company that they own in the pursuit of success if they so wish? Football isn't a franchised sport in this country, nor is it a market regulated by the FSA or whatever they're called nowadays; perhaps the authorities should stop treating it like one? We need a few football clubs to disappear for the good of the game. THEN you would see good financial control start to be demonstrated. As someone stated on another thread, FFP is irrelevant, we as a club simply have to operate within our means, whatever they are. The clubs don't really go bust though; even Rangers NewCo are substantially the same outfit minus millions of debt (with the Revenue a major creditor.) Football clubs are different to other businesses because when they fold their customers don't go to the market competition. If Leeds went bust and lost their golden share, they'd be reformed in non-league and back in the league within a decade, just like Wimbledon. I don't believe allowing the clubs to fail would have the censuring effect you posit, as the rich owners who pump the cash in for vainglory or PL TV money enrichment don't give a toss about the club's history or long term existence.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 30, 2015 11:34:19 GMT 1
Leeds's biggest gate of the season was against... that'll be Huddersfield. About 6000 more than their average, which by an amazing coincidence will be roughly the increase on our average tomorrow.
The game at Elland road was actually a smaller gate than they usually get against us. Its often 10,000 higher then normal, but maybe the novelty of playing us is wearing off for many of their woodwork fans.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 11:41:07 GMT 1
Leeds's biggest gate of the season was against... that'll be Huddersfield. About 6000 more than their average, which by an amazing coincidence will be roughly the increase on our average tomorrow. The game at Elland road was actually a smaller gate than they usually get against us. Its often 10,000 higher then normal, but maybe the novelty of playing us is wearing off for many of their woodwork fans. Don't let facts get in the way of a shockingly bad article Slapper
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 30, 2015 11:45:36 GMT 1
If anyone from the club reads this thread today can they put this on the dressing room wall to show the lads how delusional these fucking pricks are yeah, but he's right..it will be our biggest gate of the season, and for many Town fans their only trip to the JSS this season .. so what ? They'll bring 4,000 we might have 15,000 or so, beating our previous highest of 14,400 home fans for the Middlesbrough game.. As Slapps says, its the same at the skip but they never mention that
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 30, 2015 11:50:19 GMT 1
Let's just go out and show pride, battle and play as we can to stuff the shite whites. We are Town and proud.
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Post by terraceterrier on Jan 30, 2015 12:08:18 GMT 1
This match should draw more Town fans its pathetic, £20 in and we still cant get 20k of our so called 'supporters' to attend...The real trick is how do you get the fan to be a supporter if folk think £20 is too much for this fixture? 21764 for this fixture in the 2009/2010 season in league 1 and 36723 at the away fixture at Bellend Rd....perhaps the novelty has worn off fook knows ?
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jan 30, 2015 12:11:30 GMT 1
Sold their allocation in 7 minutes! Those cup final tickets sold quickly!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 12:20:59 GMT 1
Leeds's biggest gate of the season was against... that'll be Huddersfield. About 6000 more than their average, which by an amazing coincidence will be roughly the increase on our average tomorrow. The game at Elland road was actually a smaller gate than they usually get against us. Its often 10,000 higher then normal, but maybe the novelty of playing us is wearing off for many of their woodwork fans. Try explaining that to a chest wanker.
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Post by buckers on Jan 30, 2015 12:25:08 GMT 1
This match should draw more Town fans its pathetic, £20 in and we still cant get 20k of our so called 'supporters' to attend...The real trick is how do you get the fan to be a supporter if folk think £20 is too much for this fixture? 21764 for this fixture in the 2009/2010 season in league 1 and 36723 at the away fixture at Bellend Rd....perhaps the novelty has worn off fook knows ? I think 21,764 will be about what we get on Saturday.
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Post by htfc1908 on Jan 30, 2015 12:26:25 GMT 1
So far up their own arse you can just see their feet sticking out!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 12:31:38 GMT 1
Isn't it the right and freewill of a privately owned company to run itself into the ground,, or benefit from directors loans to whatever limit that company thinks is appropriate? If football teams are losing £10m or £20m a season, but continuing to survive and exist then so what, it must be manageable to that particular football club. When it becomes unmanageable then they are sold to someone who thinks he can rejiggle the finances or provide further cash injection to keep the club going, or they go bust. Why shouldnt a rich man or company be allowed to dump £30m of debt in a single year into a company that they own in the pursuit of success if they so wish? Football isn't a franchised sport in this country, nor is it a market regulated by the FSA or whatever they're called nowadays; perhaps the authorities should stop treating it like one? We need a few football clubs to disappear for the good of the game. THEN you would see good financial control start to be demonstrated. As someone stated on another thread, FFP is irrelevant, we as a club simply have to operate within our means, whatever they are. Rules ofthe competition,it isn't like free market economy style Capitalism.. You might just as well say the richest dart players can pay to stand just 2 feet from the dart board..... I'm not suggesting changing the fundamental rules of howv11 men face up to another 11. What I'm suggesting is if a top darts player can attract sponsorship and glory hanging benefactors cash, then he can stay in the best hotels, travel 1st class, spend his time training instead of working and can get the best technical and medical support possible. If he and his supporting team want to bankrupt theirselves in that pursuit, then that's their own business. We fans don't own Hudds Town. If Dean pumps in £3m a year, or £20m a year, why should he be stopped from doing so?
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 30, 2015 12:38:57 GMT 1
Rules ofthe competition,it isn't like free market economy style Capitalism.. You might just as well say the richest dart players can pay to stand just 2 feet from the dart board..... I'm not suggesting changing the fundamental rules of howv11 men face up to another 11. What I'm suggesting is if a top darts player can attract sponsorship and glory hanging benefactors cash, then he can stay in the best hotels, travel 1st class, spend his time training instead of working and can get the best technical and medical support possible. If he and his supporting team want to bankrupt theirselves in that pursuit, then that's their own business. We fans don't own Hudds Town. If Dean pumps in £3m a year, or £20m a year, why should he be stopped from doing so? I agree with that, but with the caveat that a rule is in place that money OVER a set amount put in by an owner is non-returnable, a gift in essence. The idea of financial fair play attempting to stop 'lucky' clubs having an unfair advantage, whilst at the same time allowing £60m of parachute payments over 4 years, is laughable.
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Post by ColchTerrier on Jan 30, 2015 12:41:33 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 13:28:11 GMT 1
Should have a league for the Chelseas/Man Citys/PSGs/Bournemouths of the world and they can fuck off and play in the West Siberian petroleum basin or the Ghawar Field, and spend whatever they want to get a bit of tin,, and leave the rest of us to try and compete and at least try to balance the books somewhat.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jan 30, 2015 13:38:32 GMT 1
These are called the Financial " Fair Play " rules. When does the word " fair play " apply when clubs like Q P R and Leicester are allowed to be promoted from the championship by breaking them . Both clubs profited by cheating, plus both would recieved financial gains in the region of around £ 120 million for gaining promotion to the premier league.. Both mentioned clubs would then recieve £60 million parachute payments if relegated. The mentioned fine from the football league for breaking these rules was around £ 40 million , and in a way allows those wealthy clubs to cheat while causing those towing the line to struggle . Simple answer is for these rues to be made crystal clear to clubs that they are not allowed to make financial gain " in anyway " by breaking the F F P rules . These rules will continue to be broken unless a club is made an example.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 13:41:57 GMT 1
I'm not suggesting changing the fundamental rules of howv11 men face up to another 11. What I'm suggesting is if a top darts player can attract sponsorship and glory hanging benefactors cash, then he can stay in the best hotels, travel 1st class, spend his time training instead of working and can get the best technical and medical support possible. If he and his supporting team want to bankrupt theirselves in that pursuit, then that's their own business. We fans don't own Hudds Town. If Dean pumps in £3m a year, or £20m a year, why should he be stopped from doing so? I agree with that, but with the caveat that a rule is in place that money OVER a set amount put in by an owner is non-returnable, a gift in essence. The idea of financial fair play attempting to stop 'lucky' clubs having an unfair advantage, whilst at the same time allowing £60m of parachute payments over 4 years, is laughable. Agree.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jan 30, 2015 13:52:32 GMT 1
Just on my way out today Friday to get the 1400 train from Paignton Devon to Huddersfield. Decided to set off the day before the match due to expected problems causing delays along the line . Overnight stay in the Mirfield metro with a few pints in the three nuns. Not easy being a town fan living in Devon as another £ 200 MATCH, but hopefully well worth it.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 30, 2015 14:00:07 GMT 1
why shouldn't Dean pump in 20 million a year??
good sense might surely get in the way of that?
he would be better off burning the money at Hoyle Towers instead of wood..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 14:34:13 GMT 1
Just on my way out today Friday to get the 1400 train from Paignton Devon to Huddersfield. Decided to set off the day before the match due to expected problems causing delays along the line . Overnight stay in the Mirfield metro with a few pints in the three nuns. Not easy being a town fan living in Devon as another £ 200 MATCH, but hopefully well worth it. Tell me about it, just pulled in to Tamworth services freezing me tits off. At least it's not snowing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 14:35:18 GMT 1
come on.... get ur arses down to the ground and watch l..ds's cup final.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 30, 2015 14:36:38 GMT 1
Just on my way out today Friday to get the 1400 train from Paignton Devon to Huddersfield. Decided to set off the day before the match due to expected problems causing delays along the line . Overnight stay in the Mirfield metro with a few pints in the three nuns. Not easy being a town fan living in Devon as another £ 200 MATCH, but hopefully well worth it. Safe journey mate, lovely and sunny up here. It will be worth it.
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Post by zico13 on Jan 30, 2015 14:52:03 GMT 1
I am another on my way up from Devon for the match!
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Post by AndySk on Jan 30, 2015 14:58:03 GMT 1
Good old google...
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