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Post by townrwe on Feb 25, 2015 22:18:04 GMT 1
Its great to see, but id like them to get a little bit of time, injury time additions are abit pointless in my opinion, What does every young footballer dream of as a kid? if your an outfield player its making your debut infront of a large crowd and scoring a worldie or if your a striker a hat trick. That dream has been taken away without even a touch of the ball..... So yes to the addition of the kids, but they need to be given 20 minutes at a time, not 2 minutes. small steps i suppose. Two minutes is fine at this stage, he won't have expected to come on so his 2 minutes will have done him the world of good. If you give him 20 minutes and they score from a mistake he makes then it could do more harm than good. Sounds like that came from the chris powell coaching handbook...... Ha ha. You could look at it another way and he could have come on skinned their fullback and delivered the 4th goal on a plate for Vaughan? Or cut inside and smashed an unbelievable 30 yard blockbuster...... That could have done more good than harm. I do take your point, but a wise man told me (my grandad) you only learn from your mistakes, a mistake that hadn't cost the game would Probabaly done more good than harm. Different views on the same subject, football would be boring without opinion. I'm of the sink or swim philosophy, learn by doing and learn from your mistakes, If your good enough your old enough. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. You produce match winners, competitors, fighters by exposing them, not sheltering them.... in my opinion.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Feb 25, 2015 22:38:44 GMT 1
Two minutes is fine at this stage, he won't have expected to come on so his 2 minutes will have done him the world of good. If you give him 20 minutes and they score from a mistake he makes then it could do more harm than good. Sounds like that came from the chris powell coaching handbook...... Ha ha. You could look at it another way and he could have come on skinned their fullback and delivered the 4th goal on a plate for Vaughan? Or cut inside and smashed an unbelievable 30 yard blockbuster...... That could have done more good than harm. I do take your point, but a wise man told me (my grandad) you only learn from your mistakes, a mistake that hadn't cost the game would Probabaly done more good than harm. Different views on the same subject, football would be boring without opinion. I'm of the sink or swim philosophy, learn by doing and learn from your mistakes, If your good enough your old enough. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. You produce match winners, competitors, fighters by exposing them, not sheltering them.... in my opinion. You swallowed the Big Book of British Clichés? ;-) You make a good point though and are probably right.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 22:41:05 GMT 1
You're right here. You can't throw young lads in too fast- 2 minutes now could become 20 minutes by the end of the season. Hopefully, Blackpool on the final day will be an excellent chance to showcase some of these lauded youngsters - Charles, Boyle, Pyke etc. Give a couple of them a start and bring a couple of others on after an hour. They'll never get a better chance of decent game time at this level. I liked how Vaughan went out of his way to head it in to touch to make sure the sub could be made. Classy from Vaughan, even went over gave him a quick high five and a little word in his ear while he was waiting for the board to go up. Remember him doing similar with Duane Holmes when he first came into the first team, constant encouragement and praise during games. JV class pro and class bloke. Credit to club and himself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 22:43:46 GMT 1
Sounds like that came from the chris powell coaching handbook...... Ha ha. You could look at it another way and he could have come on skinned their fullback and delivered the 4th goal on a plate for Vaughan? Or cut inside and smashed an unbelievable 30 yard blockbuster...... That could have done more good than harm. I do take your point, but a wise man told me (my grandad) you only learn from your mistakes, a mistake that hadn't cost the game would Probabaly done more good than harm. Different views on the same subject, football would be boring without opinion. I'm of the sink or swim philosophy, learn by doing and learn from your mistakes, If your good enough your old enough. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. You produce match winners, competitors, fighters by exposing them, not sheltering them.... in my opinion. You swallowed the Big Book of British Clichés? ;-) You make a good point though and are probably right. More like the bumper annual, 'Roy of the Rovers'.
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Post by y2troy on Feb 25, 2015 23:22:30 GMT 1
See this is the thing about JV he may be injured an all that but his influence and experience in an around the club off the pitch is invaluable to youngsters and fellow pros alike ,speak to a lot of everton fans and they say without injuries he would have been england material and still hold him in high regard,
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Post by benmsmith4 on Mar 26, 2015 19:10:35 GMT 1
Gone to Kidderminster on loan. Don't know how I feel about it, would rather he was making the bench for us. Thought he'd have gone to a team at a higher level than Kiddy.
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Mar 26, 2015 19:25:51 GMT 1
But I thought we were safe?
So why bring in a player from Man Utd who won't be joining us as he just signed a new contract with them - and then loan out our 'outstanding' left back prospect.
He's either not that outstanding - or we have a puddled policy.
With only a handful of games to go - and it the club really means what it says - "William has been a standout performer for the Club’s Under-21 team this season"
Then why not throw him in ready or not and tell him the position is his until the end of the season - do your best.
He cant be that shit surely that he would fook it up?
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Post by Skint Terriers on Mar 26, 2015 19:26:33 GMT 1
Might toughen him up at Kiddy, tbh, I don't know what league they are in at the moment, But there aint much difference between the bottom eight of the 3rd tier and the conference.Is this some kind of sick joke? Up there with one of the most ridiculous things I've read on here
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 19:33:41 GMT 1
But I thought we were safe? So why bring in a player from Man Utd who won't be joining us as he just signed a new contract with them - and then loan out our 'outstanding' left back prospect. He's either not that outstanding - or we have a puddled policy. With only a handful of games to go - and it the club really means what it says - "William has been a standout performer for the Club’s Under-21 team this season" Then why not throw him in ready or not and tell him the position is his until the end of the season - do your best. He cant be that shit surely that he would fook it up? Because we are not safe at all, no matter how much certain posters to try to claim we are
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 26, 2015 19:37:50 GMT 1
But I thought we were safe? So why bring in a player from Man Utd who won't be joining us as he just signed a new contract with them - and then loan out our 'outstanding' left back prospect. He's either not that outstanding - or we have a puddled policy. With only a handful of games to go - and it the club really means what it says - "William has been a standout performer for the Club’s Under-21 team this season" Then why not throw him in ready or not and tell him the position is his until the end of the season - do your best. He cant be that shit surely that he would fook it up? Because we are not safe at all, no matter how much certain posters to try to claim we are Of course we are.. But not a good time to throw Boyle in
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 19:39:05 GMT 1
Because we are not safe at all, no matter how much certain posters to try to claim we are Of course we are.. But not a good time to throw Boyle in If we are safe, how can it not be a good time to throw him in? It means there is nothing to play for and therefore no pressure
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Post by benmsmith4 on Mar 26, 2015 19:40:38 GMT 1
But I thought we were safe? So why bring in a player from Man Utd who won't be joining us as he just signed a new contract with them - and then loan out our 'outstanding' left back prospect. He's either not that outstanding - or we have a puddled policy. With only a handful of games to go - and it the club really means what it says - "William has been a standout performer for the Club’s Under-21 team this season" Then why not throw him in ready or not and tell him the position is his until the end of the season - do your best. He cant be that shit surely that he would fook it up? He's a centre back.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 26, 2015 19:40:50 GMT 1
We are on a barren run... The John smith vultures are circling and howling .. Makes a lot of sense to me to stabilise a position where we've been weakened considerably
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Post by fredcarno1 on Mar 26, 2015 19:48:19 GMT 1
Because we are not safe at all, no matter how much certain posters to try to claim we are Of course we are.. But not a good time to throw Boyle in Barring a miracle with our budget were either going to be fighting relegation from the Championship or back in League 1 so when will the time be right to play of these lads ? Maybe Billing, Trondstat, Boyle et al will be ready for a start before they are due a testimonial !
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 19:48:43 GMT 1
We are on a barren run... The John smith vultures are circling and howling .. Makes a lot of sense to me to stabilise a position where we've been weakened considerably What, with a kid who has 8 professional appearances to his name?
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Mar 26, 2015 19:56:59 GMT 1
But I thought we were safe? He's a centre back. No wonder we're in such a shit position - the club is mighty confused....... "A tall first year professional who can operate at centre back or left back, William has started 27 games for Frankie Bunn’s Development Squad this term, scoring once. "
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 26, 2015 20:03:55 GMT 1
Of course we are.. But not a good time to throw Boyle in Barring a miracle with our budget were either going to be fighting relegation from the Championship or back in League 1 so when will the time be right to play of these lads ? Maybe Billing, Trondstat, Boyle et al will be ready for a start before they are due a testimonial ! A just cos we aren't going down doesn't mean it's not important to win games B THEY obviously feel Boyle not ready .. THEY obviously feel the Man U kid is a better option at a difficult time for the club THEY probably know a little more than YOU and OFF TOPIC seeing as you two have never seen either ... But whine away by all means
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 26, 2015 20:04:32 GMT 1
We are on a barren run... The John smith vultures are circling and howling .. Makes a lot of sense to me to stabilise a position where we've been weakened considerably What, with a kid who has 8 professional appearances to his name? What the fucks that got to do with it ?
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Post by benmsmith4 on Mar 26, 2015 20:15:03 GMT 1
No wonder we're in such a shit position - the club is mighty confused....... "A tall first year professional who can operate at centre back or left back, William has started 27 games for Frankie Bunn’s Development Squad this term, scoring once. " Primarily a centre back. So he's not going to be put in at LB is he for his first games.
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Post by EastCoastTerrier on Mar 26, 2015 20:55:25 GMT 1
No wonder we're in such a shit position - the club is mighty confused....... "A tall first year professional who can operate at centre back or left back, William has started 27 games for Frankie Bunn’s Development Squad this term, scoring once. " Primarily a centre back. So he's not going to be put in at LB is he for his first games. I think his first games will come at LB. Won't be going into CB until he develops physically, wouldn't be able to cope
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Post by terrierfortythree on Mar 26, 2015 23:12:25 GMT 1
Might toughen him up at Kiddy, tbh, I don't know what league they are in at the moment, But there aint much difference between the bottom eight of the 3rd tier and the conference.Is this some kind of sick joke? Up there with one of the most ridiculous things I've read on here bit dramatic. why is it so ridiculous when the majority of clubs in the conference are now professional?
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Post by Skint Terriers on Mar 26, 2015 23:15:04 GMT 1
Is this some kind of sick joke? Up there with one of the most ridiculous things I've read on here bit dramatic. why is it so ridiculous when the majority of clubs in the conference are now professional? you're telling me there's no much difference between the championship and conference?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 23:16:15 GMT 1
bit dramatic. why is it so ridiculous when the majority of clubs in the conference are now professional? you're telling me there's no much difference between the championship and conference? Since when was the Championship the third tier?
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Post by terrierfortythree on Mar 26, 2015 23:17:27 GMT 1
bit dramatic. why is it so ridiculous when the majority of clubs in the conference are now professional? you're telling me there's no much difference between the championship and conference? re read the orginal posters point...'there isn't much difference between the bottom 8 of the third tier (of the football league) and the conference.
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Post by Skint Terriers on Mar 26, 2015 23:18:42 GMT 1
I meant league 1. It's been a long day but I still stick by my point
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 23:20:30 GMT 1
Eh, I thought he said not much difference between the Conference and the third tier, aka League 2? Which is true. Some of the top Conference clubs are bigger than tge lower 8 league clubs.
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Post by softboy on Mar 26, 2015 23:23:57 GMT 1
Dont think anytime is a good time to give a young player a run out or full debut/the club must know that one bad performance (however young they are) will get absolutely slaughtered on here.
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Post by Skint Terriers on Mar 27, 2015 3:30:52 GMT 1
Eh, I thought he said not much difference between the Conference and the third tier, aka League 2? Which is true. Some of the top Conference clubs are bigger than tge lower 8 league clubs. Does the premier league not count as a tier?
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Post by kaykie on Mar 27, 2015 13:50:43 GMT 1
Primarily a centre back. So he's not going to be put in at LB is he for his first games. I think his first games will come at LB. Won't be going into CB until he develops physically, wouldn't be able to cope We play Wallace n hes not exactly a unit
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Post by fredcarno1 on Mar 27, 2015 14:11:06 GMT 1
We are on a barren run... The John smith vultures are circling and howling .. Makes a lot of sense to me to stabilise a position where we've been weakened considerably So just to confirm we can't play any of the youngsters when we're on a bad run in case it shatters their confidence and when were on a good run it wouldn't be fair on the man in the shirt no doubt, but we can play someone else's youngsters ? I'm not denying this kid from Man U is a good player but it makes a mockery of this pathways bullshit if we are supposedly in a position when we are safe and in an injury crisis but still won't play any of our youngsters.
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