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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2015 19:45:39 GMT 1
If you factor in his wages they wont make a profit. Even if they got 12 million from someone the 8 they paid us and his 2 million a year is still more than 12. I'm sure there won't be one Blackburn fan who regrets them buying jordan Rhodes Thats a different discussion altogether. I think he is quality and would do ok in the Premiership if someone would give him the chance.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Mar 12, 2015 19:52:08 GMT 1
People claim it was an amazing deal. It might have been for Jordan and those in charge of the club, but i dont see it myself. If we had got a large fee at once up front instead of doing a deal that resembles selling a sofa and invested that wisely on the players i doubt we would have had the seasons we have had looking at the drop zone, and players giving up on the season so early, thre lack of ambition debate etc etc. Six million could have bought us three or four cracking players and pushed us on the way Bournemouth have when they reinvested following the sale of their best players. We have fannied about and are still fannying when it comes to the strikers and we still have not got a midfield two that can be effective without a third player , reducing the team to one striker or one winger at times. That 8 million has proved a white elephant as its frittered away once again on mediocre players like coady or edgar. As the saying goes the proof of the pudding is in the eating and ours is half baked. Is there anything at all in your way less than half full cup. You quote a loan signing and a investment signing in Coady, who we had a lot of competition for if the stories are to be believed. You could and probably should have quoted the 2 most expensive striking replacements in Vaughan who has consistently been a difference maker for us (when fit) in his duration here, and our record signing Wells (12 in 24 starts) whose scoring record for us this season compares equally with the 2 other main Championship signings from League One in the summer, £3m Wilson (18 in 36 starts) and £5m Assombalonga (15 in 29 starts).
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Post by teddytheterrier on Mar 12, 2015 19:52:53 GMT 1
Coady mediocre? Really? He's been one of our best players this season!
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Post by teddytheterrier on Mar 12, 2015 19:55:30 GMT 1
Edgar is shite though I can't disagree there! I'd rather have Lionel Ainsworth in the holding midfield role!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2015 20:04:39 GMT 1
People claim it was an amazing deal. It might have been for Jordan and those in charge of the club, but i dont see it myself. If we had got a large fee at once up front instead of doing a deal that resembles selling a sofa and invested that wisely on the players i doubt we would have had the seasons we have had looking at the drop zone, and players giving up on the season so early, thre lack of ambition debate etc etc. Six million could have bought us three or four cracking players and pushed us on the way Bournemouth have when they reinvested following the sale of their best players. We have fannied about and are still fannying when it comes to the strikers and we still have not got a midfield two that can be effective without a third player , reducing the team to one striker or one winger at times. That 8 million has proved a white elephant as its frittered away once again on mediocre players like coady or edgar. As the saying goes the proof of the pudding is in the eating and ours is half baked. The same mediocre Conor Coady you said was, quote: "A great signing" back in August?
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Mar 12, 2015 20:44:33 GMT 1
Post by terrierpark on Mar 12, 2015 20:44:33 GMT 1
People claim it was an amazing deal. It might have been for Jordan and those in charge of the club, but i dont see it myself. If we had got a large fee at once up front instead of doing a deal that resembles selling a sofa and invested that wisely on the players i doubt we would have had the seasons we have had looking at the drop zone, and players giving up on the season so early, thre lack of ambition debate etc etc. Six million could have bought us three or four cracking players and pushed us on the way Bournemouth have when they reinvested following the sale of their best players. We have fannied about and are still fannying when it comes to the strikers and we still have not got a midfield two that can be effective without a third player , reducing the team to one striker or one winger at times. That 8 million has proved a white elephant as its frittered away once again on mediocre players like coady or edgar. As the saying goes the proof of the pudding is in the eating and ours is half baked. Is there anything at all in your way less than half full cup. You quote a loan signing and a investment signing in Coady, who we had a lot of competition for if the stories are to be believed. You could and probably should have quoted the 2 most expensive striking replacements in Vaughan who has consistently been a difference maker for us (when fit) in his duration here, and our record signing Wells (12 in 24 starts) whose scoring record for us this season compares equally with the 2 other main Championship signings from League One in the summer, £3m Wilson (18 in 36 starts) and £5m Assombalonga (15 in 29 starts). Of course there is more than an half full cup, when its filled! but we didnt sign wells the season we sold rhodes did we? We didn't even sign him the following summer. we fannied and fobbed the fans off just like we did playing ward up front all those games (remember he was a striker when he started out we were told), such a valuable one we sell him cheaply to Rotherham. The rhodes money on the playing side has IMO not done what it could and should have done. Mind you money is no guarantee of success and with the scouts we have and the dross we go through it would only be probably wasted. But my point remains that the cash ideally should have moved us on a lot further than we are now with the same old problems of a team unmotivated? unfit? and a terrible defence.
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Post by tockyterrier on Mar 12, 2015 21:07:05 GMT 1
The cash could have been invested in 4 2m pound players. Who would have wanted wages to match and could have been disappointing, our indeed injured. ( see Holt for what might have been )
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Mar 12, 2015 22:16:51 GMT 1
Is there anything at all in your way less than half full cup. You quote a loan signing and a investment signing in Coady, who we had a lot of competition for if the stories are to be believed. You could and probably should have quoted the 2 most expensive striking replacements in Vaughan who has consistently been a difference maker for us (when fit) in his duration here, and our record signing Wells (12 in 24 starts) whose scoring record for us this season compares equally with the 2 other main Championship signings from League One in the summer, £3m Wilson (18 in 36 starts) and £5m Assombalonga (15 in 29 starts). Of course there is more than an half full cup, when its filled! but we didnt sign wells the season we sold rhodes did we? We didn't even sign him the following summer. we fannied and fobbed the fans off just like we did playing ward up front all those games (remember he was a striker when he started out we were told), such a valuable one we sell him cheaply to Rotherham. The rhodes money on the playing side has IMO not done what it could and should have done. Mind you money is no guarantee of success and with the scouts we have and the dross we go through it would only be probably wasted. But my point remains that the cash ideally should have moved us on a lot further than we are now with the same old problems of a team unmotivated? unfit? and a terrible defence. Again you say fannied and fobbed, we signed Beckford and Vaughan on loan for that first season, Paterson and Stead signed the following summer but neither enjoyed similar success to what they had in the past. We waited and bought Wells on the cheap £1.3 m compared with the sums others Forest and Bournemouth with the wealthy owners ignorant of FFP Forest who fell foul of it before the purchase and very likely Bournemouth who seem to be headed that way. I call that good business and sound business for a club who have stated that slow and steady is the only way forward under this ownership, and you can't deny the have progressed our league standing year on year in the 7 seasons since he took the helm. Beckford would have been the most likely like for like purchase available and I for one am very pleased we loaned him rather than bought him, just ask any Bolton fan how successful he has been for them. In fact he has scored 24 goals in the last 3 seasons including 8 for us on loan. SO I really disagree gwith your being in a much better position if we had bought immediately with an up front fee after selling Rhodes and doubtless Leicester would have wanted at least their £3m back and his wages would have dwarfed what we paid on loan (with Leicester's contribution) and his replacements since.
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Mar 13, 2015 23:09:05 GMT 1
Post by terrierpark on Mar 13, 2015 23:09:05 GMT 1
We are in our third season in the Championship and we still do not know if we have an effective strike partnership. In addition we are weak at ctre half with Hudson not looking like the player we needed and wallace not reliable enough. We are weak in midfield they simply dont get amongst the goals enough, and as i said before we have to play with a three. We also have little if no cover at full back. The team is picking itself once again and there is a lack of quality that can deliver aggression and strength through the spine. My point simply is this, as we are in our third season following such a marvellous financial deal should we or should we not have the deficiencies we have throughout the team? You're point about Beckford i find interesting most would have loved to have him here after all he helped keep us up and played well for us, i am not concerned how he plays for bolton.
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Mar 14, 2015 18:51:14 GMT 1
Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 14, 2015 18:51:14 GMT 1
Scored 2 more today
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Mar 14, 2015 18:57:20 GMT 1
Post by 3Pipe on Mar 14, 2015 18:57:20 GMT 1
I know.
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Post by Beech's Nuts on Mar 14, 2015 22:54:13 GMT 1
That makes it 151 League goals in 278 games. Phenomenal!
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 14, 2015 23:13:21 GMT 1
We should OG got much more for him.
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Post by kes on Mar 15, 2015 11:15:53 GMT 1
We should OG got much more for him.[/quote How can "have" be shortened to OG ? - not up with all the new kids phone jargon.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2015 19:42:34 GMT 1
It's OK for some to say that it was a great bit of business when we cashed in on Rhodes for 8 million quid, BUT with Rhodes's goals we would now have been pushing for a play-off place, instead of looking over our shoulder to see what Wigan are doing in their bid to avoid relegation, at the expense of Town and others currently hovering just clear of the relegation zone.
False economy and a crap bit of business in my honest opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2015 19:57:26 GMT 1
It's OK for some to say that it was a great bit of business when we cashed in on Rhodes for 8 million quid, BUT with Rhodes's goals we would now have been pushing for a play-off place, instead of looking over our shoulder to see what Wigan are doing in their bid to avoid relegation, at the expense of Town and others currently hovering just clear of the relegation zone. False economy and a crap bit of business in my honest opinion. How would you have persuaded him to stay?
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Post by gledholt terrier on Mar 15, 2015 20:06:31 GMT 1
It's OK for some to say that it was a great bit of business when we cashed in on Rhodes for 8 million quid, BUT with Rhodes's goals we would now have been pushing for a play-off place, instead of looking over our shoulder to see what Wigan are doing in their bid to avoid relegation, at the expense of Town and others currently hovering just clear of the relegation zone. False economy and a crap bit of business in my honest opinion. Jesus Christ. Jordan Rhodes was insisting on leaving (including, allegedly, getting his Dad to threaten HTFC Directors). DH set a price and Blackburn matched it. Who's bloody side are you on?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2015 22:20:52 GMT 1
Rhodes still had almost one year left on the 4 year contract he signed with Town on 31 July 2009. He joined Blackburn on 30 Aug 2012 purely to double his money to over £2 million/year and if had Town insisted that he honoured his contract he could have gone nowhere, irrespective of what his father was saying or doing.
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Post by wtd on Mar 15, 2015 22:24:15 GMT 1
Rhodes still had almost one year left on the 4 year contract he signed with Town on 31 July 2009. He joined Blackburn on 30 Aug 2012 purely to double his money to over £2 million/year and if had Town insisted that he honoured his contract he could have gone nowhere, irrespective of what his father was saying or doing. And how much would we have got for him at the end of that year, then?
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Post by Headless Chicken on Mar 15, 2015 22:30:04 GMT 1
It's OK for some to say that it was a great bit of business when we cashed in on Rhodes for 8 million quid, BUT with Rhodes's goals we would now have been pushing for a play-off place, instead of looking over our shoulder to see what Wigan are doing in their bid to avoid relegation, at the expense of Town and others currently hovering just clear of the relegation zone. False economy and a crap bit of business in my honest opinion. Jesus Christ. Jordan Rhodes was insisting on leaving (including, allegedly, getting his Dad to threaten HTFC Directors). DH set a price and Blackburn matched it. Who's bloody side are you on? And what's to say we'd have signed Clayton, Butterfield, etc. Fantasy world.
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Mar 15, 2015 22:31:39 GMT 1
It's OK for some to say that it was a great bit of business when we cashed in on Rhodes for 8 million quid, BUT with Rhodes's goals we would now have been pushing for a play-off place, instead of looking over our shoulder to see what Wigan are doing in their bid to avoid relegation, at the expense of Town and others currently hovering just clear of the relegation zone. False economy and a crap bit of business in my honest opinion. And without the money we got from the sale, we wouldn't have been able to bring in the other members of the squad who have kept us afloat in this division for the past few years. So we might have gone down even with his goals!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2015 22:34:26 GMT 1
Rhodes still had almost one year left on the 4 year contract he signed with Town on 31 July 2009. He joined Blackburn on 30 Aug 2012 purely to double his money to over £2 million/year and if had Town insisted that he honoured his contract he could have gone nowhere, irrespective of what his father was saying or doing. And at the end of that year he would have gone on a free, now THAT would have been a 'crap bit of business'... Wouldn't it?
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Post by Headless Chicken on Mar 15, 2015 22:37:39 GMT 1
Rhodes still had almost one year left on the 4 year contract he signed with Town on 31 July 2009. He joined Blackburn on 30 Aug 2012 purely to double his money to over £2 million/year and if had Town insisted that he honoured his contract he could have gone nowhere, irrespective of what his father was saying or doing. And at the end of that year he would have gone on a free, now THAT would have been a 'crap bit of business'... Wouldn't it? Come on, let's not start thinking this through.
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Mar 15, 2015 22:54:31 GMT 1
Post by terrierpark on Mar 15, 2015 22:54:31 GMT 1
i think many of you are missing/avoiding the point. I accept reluctantly that he had to go, but the timing was shocking and it made us look tinpot in my book with the season well under way. But the point i am making is this all that money has been WASTED by and large on propping up wages ON CRAP. We are no stronger than our first season and i believe had we commanded a large upfront fee and spent it on the team there is a reasonable chance we would be in a healthier position than we are now. I dont feel we have had the benefit of 8 million one jot. It didnt help keep clayton did it ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2015 22:58:40 GMT 1
Had he seen his contract out, he would have been playing in the Championship with Town the following season, so all we had to do to keep him happy was to match his £2 million salary and sit back and watch him score almost 80 Championship league goals for us instead of Blackburn.
And where would Town be right now with his goals? - up top chasing a play-off place, that's where.
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Post by wtd on Mar 15, 2015 23:14:14 GMT 1
Had he seen his contract out, he would have been playing in the Championship with Town the following season, so all we had to do to keep him happy was to match his £2 million salary and sit back and watch him score almost 80 Championship league goals for us instead of Blackburn. And where would Town be right now with his goals? - up top chasing a play-off place, that's where. And that was all guaranteed, was it?
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Post by rocky on Mar 15, 2015 23:15:50 GMT 1
Had he seen his contract out, he would have been playing in the Championship with Town the following season, so all we had to do to keep him happy was to match his £2 million salary and sit back and watch him score almost 80 Championship league goals for us instead of Blackburn. And where would Town be right now with his goals? - up top chasing a play-off place, that's where. You've got to laugh sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2015 23:24:43 GMT 1
Had he seen his contract out, he would have been playing in the Championship with Town the following season, so all we had to do to keep him happy was to match his £2 million salary and sit back and watch him score almost 80 Championship league goals for us instead of Blackburn. And where would Town be right now with his goals? - up top chasing a play-off place, that's where. So not only would we miss out on £8million you'd toss away another £8 million in wages. Brilliant, he's been at Blackburn nearly three seasons now, guess what? They are unlikely to reach the play offs for the third season running.
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Post by Amigo on Mar 15, 2015 23:24:39 GMT 1
Had he seen his contract out, he would have been playing in the Championship with Town the following season, so all we had to do to keep him happy was to match his £2 million salary and sit back and watch him score almost 80 Championship league goals for us instead of Blackburn. And where would Town be right now with his goals? - up top chasing a play-off place, that's where. I'm sorry but I'm lost for words at the stupidity of some people at times.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Mar 15, 2015 23:56:58 GMT 1
Had he seen his contract out, he would have been playing in the Championship with Town the following season, so all we had to do to keep him happy was to match his £2 million salary and sit back and watch him score almost 80 Championship league goals for us instead of Blackburn. And where would Town be right now with his goals? - up top chasing a play-off place, that's where. I'm sorry but I'm lost for words at the stupidity of some people at times. Amen brother - this has got to be a WUM. No-one could possibly be that stupid.
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