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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 19:22:04 GMT 1
One of the highlights for me was a stonking Whitehead challenge - a reet beauty, straight from the days when you could tackle! We did OK today, another day we'll get 3 pts - these things even themselves out. Spot on, really enjoyed all the tackling today. Davidson was really dogged too.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 29, 2015 19:42:39 GMT 1
A lot of folk saying we lack creativity in our midfield or they don't support the strikers/wingers. Makes you wonder how we then arrive at a valuation of £5 million for our creative/attacking midfielder.
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Post by mightyterrier on Aug 29, 2015 19:57:35 GMT 1
IMO theres a lot to be positive about from the last 4 games. Not the results obviously but I actually don't think we're that far off having a good side. On balance of general play I don't think it would be too OTT to say we should have taken 12 points from those 4 games . The fact we have 3 is a good example of how tough and punishing this division can be. Looking through the performance today , we kept their mega expensive strike force out of the game for long long spells and controlled the match. Our midfield totally dominated theirs. The workrate all over our team was first rate. there was some really good performances- Lynch, Davidson, Butterfield, Hogg, even Whitehead had by far his best game for us. Scannell did ok and although he doesn't look 100% they had to double ,even triple up on him because they know he can hurt them. Lolley looked lively when he came on and Mussy will be a great signing IMO because he has genuine pace that will cause anyone problems. The stand out problem that is stopping us getting the points our play deserves is the front two. Wells has the touch of a rapist. His 2nd touch is a tackle more often than not. And Miller holds the ball up very well but just doesn't have much goal threat. Between the 2 of them, their movement is poor, the touch is poor and neither look like scoring. Theres a lot of truth in the saying- youre only as good as your strikers. We're a great illustration of that right now. Big few days in Towns season coming up. If we can ship vaughan out and off the wage bill, and bring in a striker who can make an immediate impact on the 1st team- a clinical finisher- then it could make the difference between a season near the bottom or a season in the top half. Great post clap clap
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 29, 2015 20:00:56 GMT 1
We played ok today but again we are our own worst enemy. QPR must be chuffed to bits as they were very poor today, I'm assuming they aren't that bad every week? But yet they got away with 3 points and a clean sheet, they didn't really deserve their 3 points.
One thing that would help in my opinion is to ditch this 4-3-3 bollocks he insists on playing, we now have 4 wingers at the club (Caryol, Hammil, Scannell, Lolley), we got to be more positive, today was crying out for a switch to that formation after QPR played to so badly, if we had really upped the tempo switched to an attacking style we would have won today 2 or 3-0. As long as he persists with this 4-3-3 we'll continue to struggle and it'll be a long season.
As for Wells, questioned him before, he needs service, as said previously stated,switch to 4-4-2 to play off a big man, Miller and feed off crosses coming into the box. The criticism of Miller is unfair he does a lot of donkey work, ok he ain't never going to score 25 goals a season but he does what he does, hold the ball up, be physical and generally make a pain in the arse of himself.
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Post by ACW on Aug 29, 2015 20:04:32 GMT 1
Sounded to me that we still need a decent right back and a defence that can play 45 minutes at a time without switching off. Thought Smith was ok today.The goal was down to Davidson flicking the ball away as Lynch was about to head it clear. He was poor on the ball. Gave away a few easy passes and lumped the ball forward a hell of alot.
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Post by rantinray on Aug 29, 2015 21:28:48 GMT 1
Im with you on most of that slapps, but i genuinely feel for nakhi. Played in a two feeding off a target man for most of his career, and we have him leading the line on his own one week, in a 3 the week after and with the pathetic miller today. He has 2 goals in 5 league games which is terrific given the paucity of service he has had....yes he was poor today, but it cant be easy trying to feed off miller when hes playing well, never mind when today he couldnt trap a bag of cement, had less aerial threat than a dwarf and shockingly poor movement all in one. Am struggling to understand our recruitment at the moment - the squad is now even more unbalanced than it was last week......bucketloads of midfielders, but no quality right back, a shortage of centre backs now and also striking options and no experienced keeper back up. I know its tough when we are being put under pressure to sell our top talent, but the coup de grace has been hiwulas season long loan exit........completely and utterly baffled given how much we paid and the rich promise he apparently came with, not to mention vaughans imminent departure also. Spot on.
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 29, 2015 21:40:42 GMT 1
Im with you on most of that slapps, but i genuinely feel for nakhi. Played in a two feeding off a target man for most of his career, and we have him leading the line on his own one week, in a 3 the week after and with the pathetic miller today. He has 2 goals in 5 league games which is terrific given the paucity of service he has had....yes he was poor today, but it cant be easy trying to feed off miller when hes playing well, never mind when today he couldnt trap a bag of cement, had less aerial threat than a dwarf and shockingly poor movement all in one. Am struggling to understand our recruitment at the moment - the squad is now even more unbalanced than it was last week......bucketloads of midfielders, but no quality right back, a shortage of centre backs now and also striking options and no experienced keeper back up. I know its tough when we are being put under pressure to sell our top talent, but the coup de grace has been hiwulas season long loan exit........completely and utterly baffled given how much we paid and the rich promise he apparently came with, not to mention vaughans imminent departure also. Think you're over exaggerating Hiwula a bit there. What did we pay?..£200k wasn't it. probably £100k up front and the rest in installments? Its hardly a huge transfer. We obviously have a close relationship with Man City's youth system through Frankie Bunn, and what we had was the chance to sign up a lad who has POTENTIAL to be a decent player at our level. Someone who might just make it and be worth a lot of money in 2 or 3 years. He'd already had a couple of loan spells- did nowt at Yeovil but very well at walsall. Wouldn't surprise me if they always had it in the back of their minds to loan him out- better off playing L1 football than development squad. Its a bit of a gamble by Town but not a hugely expensive one.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 21:44:58 GMT 1
Im with you on most of that slapps, but i genuinely feel for nakhi. Played in a two feeding off a target man for most of his career, and we have him leading the line on his own one week, in a 3 the week after and with the pathetic miller today. He has 2 goals in 5 league games which is terrific given the paucity of service he has had....yes he was poor today, but it cant be easy trying to feed off miller when hes playing well, never mind when today he couldnt trap a bag of cement, had less aerial threat than a dwarf and shockingly poor movement all in one. Am struggling to understand our recruitment at the moment - the squad is now even more unbalanced than it was last week......bucketloads of midfielders, but no quality right back, a shortage of centre backs now and also striking options and no experienced keeper back up. I know its tough when we are being put under pressure to sell our top talent, but the coup de grace has been hiwulas season long loan exit........completely and utterly baffled given how much we paid and the rich promise he apparently came with, not to mention vaughans imminent departure also. Think you're over exaggerating Hiwula a bit there. What did we pay?..£200k wasn't it. probably £100k up front and the rest in installments? Its hardly a huge transfer. We obviously have a close relationship with Man City's youth system through Frankie Bunn, and what we had was the chance to sign up a lad who has POTENTIAL to be a decent player at our level. Someone who might just make it and be worth a lot of money in 2 or 3 years. He'd already had a couple of loan spells- did nowt at Yeovil but very well at walsall. Wouldn't surprise me if they always had it in the back of their minds to loan him out- better off playing L1 football than development squad. Its a bit of a gamble by Town but not a hugely expensive one. just pmd you thanks for your reply
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Aug 29, 2015 22:08:38 GMT 1
Would have liked to have seen Dempsey on for Hogg with 20 to go to get more support up front. We are far too static in midfield and Powell needs to let them off the leash a bit more - after fifteen minutes in the second half QPR were there for the taking and it was clear that we needed to be braver and get more men supporting the strikers.
Thought we looked a little bit short of confidence but were strong defensively and played well. With Scannell on one side and Carayol on the other we should start creating more chances and look a bit more threatening. Hogg and Whitehead were good defensively but don't offer enough going forward to both be playing all game at home - that's an away formation for me.
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Post by shawsie on Aug 30, 2015 7:27:14 GMT 1
Im with you on most of that slapps, but i genuinely feel for nakhi. Played in a two feeding off a target man for most of his career, and we have him leading the line on his own one week, in a 3 the week after and with the pathetic miller today. He has 2 goals in 5 league games which is terrific given the paucity of service he has had....yes he was poor today, but it cant be easy trying to feed off miller when hes playing well, never mind when today he couldnt trap a bag of cement, had less aerial threat than a dwarf and shockingly poor movement all in one. Am struggling to understand our recruitment at the moment - the squad is now even more unbalanced than it was last week......bucketloads of midfielders, but no quality right back, a shortage of centre backs now and also striking options and no experienced keeper back up. I know its tough when we are being put under pressure to sell our top talent, but the coup de grace has been hiwulas season long loan exit........completely and utterly baffled given how much we paid and the rich promise he apparently came with, not to mention vaughans imminent departure also. Think you're over exaggerating Hiwula a bit there. What did we pay?..£200k wasn't it. probably £100k up front and the rest in installments? Its hardly a huge transfer. We obviously have a close relationship with Man City's youth system through Frankie Bunn, and what we had was the chance to sign up a lad who has POTENTIAL to be a decent player at our level. Someone who might just make it and be worth a lot of money in 2 or 3 years. He'd already had a couple of loan spells- did nowt at Yeovil but very well at walsall. Wouldn't surprise me if they always had it in the back of their minds to loan him out- better off playing L1 football than development squad. Its a bit of a gamble by Town but not a hugely expensive one. Hardly a huge transfer? Its a third of what we spent this summer mate and thats my issue with it......in the summer we needed a striker to play in our team. Vaughan is never fit and doesnt want to stay nor is he wanted and miller is an impact man for a few games only. We now loan out hiwula and it was clear in powells interview yesterday that bojaj (whatever his promise) was selected only cos we have nobody else!! Who is running the recruitment? Powell? Webber? Dean? Whoever it is isnt pulling up trees in my opinion as our squad remains lopsided and even more so after this week. Wheres the right back we DESPERATELY need? The striker to give the much maligned but only bugger who looks like scoring wells some support and service?! The current position worries me - we arent far from being decent, but folks have a right to question a summer with c3.5m in for smithies and coady and we replace em with a cluster, half of which cant even get in the bloody team. Our team wont improve unless we bring in at least one or two who are better than what we have surely? The strategy i fully understand - i do however question only bringing in rookies with potential in key positions, because results havent come and by example, it will be really tough on dempsey if he has to become our new butterfield having only had a short subs appearance or two in a struggling team at this level.
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Post by EatonRifles on Aug 30, 2015 10:30:28 GMT 1
Spot on Slapps.
To those that say we need a quality CB, we have 2 on yesterday's showing, Crainie and Lynch. I thought first half we looked ok with Hudson alongside Lynch, but second half we looked solid.
Teams will always score goals no matter how good your defence is, unfortunately players aren't infallible but second half yesterday was head and shoulders above what I've seen in years from the CBs.
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Post by pythagoras on Aug 30, 2015 10:35:01 GMT 1
I agree with the OP but am staggered at the sheet hypocrisy being shown. I posted something almost identical to the OP comments about Nakhi Wells after the 1-2 reverse at home to Middlesborough last September and got a right 'gobful' from Captainslapper about how wonderful Wells was etc. Hopefully someone is able to dig out the thread to prove what I am saying as I am a bit of a dinosaur with the technology.
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Post by wtd on Aug 30, 2015 10:51:57 GMT 1
Think you're over exaggerating Hiwula a bit there. What did we pay?..£200k wasn't it. probably £100k up front and the rest in installments? Its hardly a huge transfer. We obviously have a close relationship with Man City's youth system through Frankie Bunn, and what we had was the chance to sign up a lad who has POTENTIAL to be a decent player at our level. Someone who might just make it and be worth a lot of money in 2 or 3 years. He'd already had a couple of loan spells- did nowt at Yeovil but very well at walsall. Wouldn't surprise me if they always had it in the back of their minds to loan him out- better off playing L1 football than development squad. Its a bit of a gamble by Town but not a hugely expensive one. Hardly a huge transfer? Its a third of what we spent this summer mate and thats my issue with it......in the summer we needed a striker to play in our team. Vaughan is never fit and doesnt want to stay nor is he wanted and miller is an impact man for a few games only. We now loan out hiwula and it was clear in powells interview yesterday that bojaj (whatever his promise) was selected only cos we have nobody else!! Who is running the recruitment? Powell? Webber? Dean? Whoever it is isnt pulling up trees in my opinion as our squad remains lopsided and even more so after this week. Wheres the right back we DESPERATELY need? The striker to give the much maligned but only bugger who looks like scoring wells some support and service?! The current position worries me - we arent far from being decent, but folks have a right to question a summer with c3.5m in for smithies and coady and we replace em with a cluster, half of which cant even get in the bloody team. Our team wont improve unless we bring in at least one or two who are better than what we have surely? The strategy i fully understand - i do however question only bringing in rookies with potential in key positions, because results havent come and by example, it will be really tough on dempsey if he has to become our new butterfield having only had a short subs appearance or two in a struggling team at this level. Only 'a third of what we've spent this summer' SO FAR!
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Post by 3Pipe on Aug 30, 2015 11:12:52 GMT 1
I agree with the OP but am staggered at the sheet hypocrisy being shown. I posted something almost identical to the OP comments about Nakhi Wells after the 1-2 reverse at home to Middlesborough last September and got a right 'gobful' from Captainslapper about how wonderful Wells was etc. Hopefully someone is able to dig out the thread to prove what I am saying as I am a bit of a dinosaur with the technology. Impossible to dig it out as you've only made the one post, the one I'm quoting here.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 30, 2015 11:18:15 GMT 1
If we can cut the mistakes from 1 a week to 1 every 2 weeks it would be a start!
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Post by pythagoras on Aug 30, 2015 11:20:09 GMT 1
Sorry 3 pipe - I used to post as hypotenuse but for some reason I can't seem to use that name again on the site
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Post by rocky on Aug 30, 2015 11:21:56 GMT 1
It's probably an exaggeration to say we should have had 12 points from the 4 last games, but otherwise I'm with you all the way. Certainly another 3 points should have been gained & if they had, the table would show us in a more representative position.
Late goals & the lack of a cutting edge are killing us at the moment though. 'Frustrating' is certainly a perfect word to describe Town at the moment!
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Post by Alfie on Aug 30, 2015 12:29:19 GMT 1
Just 2 quality strikers short of being a very decent side
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 14:09:58 GMT 1
IMO theres a lot to be positive about from the last 4 games. Not the results obviously but I actually don't think we're that far off having a good side. On balance of general play I don't think it would be too OTT to say we should have taken 12 points from those 4 games . The fact we have 3 is a good example of how tough and punishing this division can be. Looking through the performance today , we kept their mega expensive strike force out of the game for long long spells and controlled the match. Our midfield totally dominated theirs. The workrate all over our team was first rate. there was some really good performances- Lynch, Davidson, Butterfield, Hogg, even Whitehead had by far his best game for us. Scannell did ok and although he doesn't look 100% they had to double ,even triple up on him because they know he can hurt them. Lolley looked lively when he came on and Mussy will be a great signing IMO because he has genuine pace that will cause anyone problems. The stand out problem that is stopping us getting the points our play deserves is the front two. Wells has the touch of a rapist. His 2nd touch is a tackle more often than not. And Miller holds the ball up very well but just doesn't have much goal threat. Between the 2 of them, their movement is poor, the touch is poor and neither look like scoring. Theres a lot of truth in the saying- youre only as good as your strikers. We're a great illustration of that right now. Big few days in Towns season coming up. If we can ship vaughan out and off the wage bill, and bring in a striker who can make an immediate impact on the 1st team- a clinical finisher- then it could make the difference between a season near the bottom or a season in the top half. Totally agree, our lack of forward threat is the only thing letting us down at the minute. Wells, despite an ok scoring record is generally utter gash.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Aug 30, 2015 14:13:20 GMT 1
Whereas Miller not only has an poor goal scoring record but is also utter garbage !!
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Aug 30, 2015 14:20:06 GMT 1
There is a fine dividing line as teams are only as good as their results.
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Post by 3Pipe on Aug 30, 2015 14:20:29 GMT 1
Sorry 3 pipe - I used to post as hypotenuse but for some reason I can't seem to use that name again on the site I remember you. Here's a link to all your old posts if it helps. downatthemac.proboards.com/user/13128/recentNothing coming up in a search for posts made by you mentioning Wells though.
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Post by pythagoras on Aug 30, 2015 16:17:45 GMT 1
Thanks 3 pipe - references are on page 5 of 6. However, my memory was wrong - the disagreement voter Wells was mainly with Slyman. My apologies to the Captain.
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