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Post by thrice on Sept 27, 2015 16:26:51 GMT 1
The real problem is our unsustainable expenditure on player salaries.
That can & must continue to be significantly reduced whilst continuing to compete & improve.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 16:35:54 GMT 1
It's £32 to pay on the day in the Kilner Bank for Derby at home. TWICE the average price of a ST holder.
I can go watch Man City v Sevilla in the Champions League for £25-£30.
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Post by terrierpark on Sept 27, 2015 17:18:53 GMT 1
There are two angles to approach this problem if you think about it. The first is pricing, and the second is demand.
Pricing..What would be an attractive price for the floating fan to come? The majority of fans do not like the category price policy so it should be £20.00 walk up on the day price for Adults,£15.00 for seniors and 16-21 yr olds, and a fiver for 8-16 yr.olds. Under 8's free with an adult/16-21 yr old. Same price for cup games. For ease of calculation lets say there was 20 home games so the cost of the adult is £400. Make the season ticket a little cheaper say £350 but throw in some freebies to make it further attractive. For example a replica shirt or free meal at canalside. Stop all the offers except for the school kids and this way the walkup fan wont feel ripped off and ST holders are still saving.
Promoting games by offering cheaper prices for the less attractive fixtures has hardly ever made a difference to the attendances, but imagine the crowd if it was £20 to watch the leeds game, which it would be under my system.
Demand....
Easier said than done when it comes to how the team are fairing, but a lot of you take issue with what i have said before about the incoming and outgoings, but how the club behaves in relation to incomings and outgoings, how soon it addresses problems in the side for example no striker brought in over the summer when those in charge must have known about how they were to handle JV. Rightly or wrongly whatever you truly believe there are a hell of alot of fans right now who are a bit angry as to how the club have conducted themselves in the transfer market and that will have affected the gates. Somehow the club need to start to BUILD a team and not dismantle it every season. We all accept we will have to sell our better players but not three at once and at the same time leave ourselves short. Of course cme Jan this can all be addreseed in a constructive and positive way impacting the squad and sending the right messages to the fans.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 17:55:21 GMT 1
I've said this before, but one of the problems we are up against is social media and word of mouth. I know other clubs have the same problem, but when people are exaggerating everything, to the point where you wonder if they actually have a chip on their shoulder about the club, they supposedly "support", it cant be healthy in getting people through the turnstile.
On the official Town facebook page, its an absolute nightmare. 90% of posters just want to ridicule the club at any opportunity they get. The experts on there curse any signing we make, then complain when they move on. Theirs 35,000 people on there. Supporters need to sell the club, as much as those in charge need to. I'm not saying bullshit to friends, work colleagues, etc, but manage their expectations. If people on datm are saying ludicrous things like, "worst football for 40 years", what are they saying to their floating fan friends or colleagues.
I'm not saying the clubs bosses, I.e, Clibbens, Hoyle, etc shouldn't take criticism. For all the good work they've done, I like others have question marks over the current pricing policy, but that's a different matter. Like Captain Slapper said, if people cant afford it or dont think its value for money, fair enough, but to suddenly complain about the standard of football now, is unbelievable. I've been going for 30 years and the last 3 years are some of the best I've seen. Fair enough, Its shite sometimes, but when has that not been the case?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 18:08:19 GMT 1
So ... Town fans want champagne football for beer and skittles money? Hmmm ...  |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 27, 2015 18:29:46 GMT 1
So ... Town fans want champagne football for beer and skittles money? Hmmm ... Unfortunately, the game is the victim of its own success. |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Sept 27, 2015 18:41:08 GMT 1
Town are complaining that attendances are low, season ticket holders (some) are complaining pay on the day fans are staying away. Pay on the dayers aren't coming to watch town whilst it's £30 plus a game, you can winge all day call us not real fans, irrelevant town are charging too much at £30 plus on the day for the attractive games, so apart from maybe Leeds . Town have created a problem which will never go away, so they even reduce prices are you will continue to complain about reduced prices whilst us pay on the dayers find different things to do. It was £15 on Thursday, did you go? POTD price It's £10 for the next home game - going? POTD price. If you go to the next home game and also want to go to the Derby game, you can buy a ticket at the ground before/after the game at £27.50, giving you 2 games at an average cost of £18.75. Or get a Take 10 to save on future games. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 27, 2015 18:52:00 GMT 1
I've said this before, but one of the problems we are up against is social media and word of mouth. I know other clubs have the same problem, but when people are exaggerating everything, to the point where you wonder if they actually have a chip on their shoulder about the club, they supposedly "support", it cant be healthy in getting people through the turnstile. On the official Town facebook page, its an absolute nightmare. 90% of posters just want to ridicule the club at any opportunity they get. The experts on there curse any signing we make, then complain when they move on. Theirs 35,000 people on there. Supporters need to sell the club, as much as those in charge need to. I'm not saying bullshit to friends, work colleagues, etc, but manage their expectations. If people on datm are saying ludicrous things like, "worst football for 40 years", what are they saying to their floating fan friends or colleagues. I'm not saying the clubs bosses, I.e, Clibbens, Hoyle, etc shouldn't take criticism. For all the good work they've done, I like others have question marks over the current pricing policy, but that's a different matter. Like Captain Slapper said, if people cant afford it or dont think its value for money, fair enough, but to suddenly complain about the standard of football now, is unbelievable. I've been going for 30 years and the last 3 years are some of the best I've seen. Fair enough, Its shite sometimes, but when has that not been the case? Some would probably put me in the 'happy clapper' camp, but I'm just as guilty when I actually talk to people about going. I don't sell it at all, probably the opposite! Saying all that, the two people who I have brought in recent times had more to say about the 'miserable old gets' than the football. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 27, 2015 18:57:39 GMT 1
Town are complaining that attendances are low, season ticket holders (some) are complaining pay on the day fans are staying away. Pay on the dayers aren't coming to watch town whilst it's £30 plus a game, you can winge all day call us not real fans, irrelevant town are charging too much at £30 plus on the day for the attractive games, so apart from maybe Leeds . Town have created a problem which will never go away, so they even reduce prices are you will continue to complain about reduced prices whilst us pay on the dayers find different things to do. It was £15 on Thursday, did you go? POTD price It's £10 for the next home game - going? POTD price. If you go to the next home game and also want to go to the Derby game, you can buy a ticket at the ground before/after the game at £27.50, giving you 2 games at an average cost of £18.75. Or get a Take 10 to save on future games. Not saying Brighouse falls into this category, but I suspect a lot of those that struggle with the cost are also those less likely to plan ahead. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 27, 2015 19:05:21 GMT 1
Town are complaining that attendances are low, season ticket holders (some) are complaining pay on the day fans are staying away. Pay on the dayers aren't coming to watch town whilst it's £30 plus a game, you can winge all day call us not real fans, irrelevant town are charging too much at £30 plus on the day for the attractive games, so apart from maybe Leeds . Town have created a problem which will never go away, so they even reduce prices are you will continue to complain about reduced prices whilst us pay on the dayers find different things to do. It was £15 on Thursday, did you go? POTD price It's £10 for the next home game - going? POTD price. If you go to the next home game and also want to go to the Derby game, you can buy a ticket at the ground before/after the game at £27.50, giving you 2 games at an average cost of £18.75. Or get a Take 10 to save on future games. Why would you go and pay 15 notes if you already pay for Sky when you could watch it at home? Doesn't make financial sense. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 27, 2015 19:05:17 GMT 1
Hoyle has said that he's considering using some of the £8 million transfer kitty to fund reduced tickets next season and maybe this is the answer. If as Terrierpark says above, we have a season of a flat rate £20 on all matches with no special offers except reductions for season ticket/take 10 holders, then lets see how that affects the gate. We've proved in the past that we don't need to spend millions in the transfer market, but we need some shrewd signings and for the development squad to start producing more.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Sept 27, 2015 19:09:23 GMT 1
It was £15 on Thursday, did you go? POTD price It's £10 for the next home game - going? POTD price. If you go to the next home game and also want to go to the Derby game, you can buy a ticket at the ground before/after the game at £27.50, giving you 2 games at an average cost of £18.75. Or get a Take 10 to save on future games. Why would you go and pay 15 notes if you already pay for Sky when you could watch it at home? Doesn't make financial sense. It was a complaint about having to spend £30+ for the Derby game, which is fair enough. But there is a way around it by attending the very cheap MK Dons game which isn't on Sky. Personally, much prefer to be there than watch on the telly, but that's personal choice (and not everyone has Sky) |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 27, 2015 19:10:43 GMT 1
Why would you go and pay 15 notes if you already pay for Sky when you could watch it at home? Doesn't make financial sense. It was a complaint about having to spend £30+ for the Derby game, which is fair enough. But there is a way around it by attending the very cheap MK Dons game which isn't on Sky. Personally, much prefer to be there than watch on the telly, but that's personal choice (and not everyone has Sky) I don't disagree with the actually being there bit. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 19:24:04 GMT 1
Hoyle has said that he's considering using some of the £8 million transfer kitty to fund reduced tickets next season and maybe this is the answer. If as Terrierpark says above, we have a season of a flat rate £20 on all matches with no special offers except reductions for season ticket/take 10 holders, then lets see how that affects the gate. We've proved in the past that we don't need to spend millions in the transfer market, but we need some shrewd signings and for the development squad to start producing more. No, he didn't. He said he might use some of the extra FL payments. He also said it would be season tickets rather than match day tickets that would be reduced. |
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Post by ligament on Sept 27, 2015 19:35:06 GMT 1
It was £15 on Thursday, did you go? POTD price It's £10 for the next home game - going? POTD price. If you go to the next home game and also want to go to the Derby game, you can buy a ticket at the ground before/after the game at £27.50, giving you 2 games at an average cost of £18.75. Or get a Take 10 to save on future games. Why would you go and pay 15 notes if you already pay for Sky when you could watch it at home? Doesn't make financial sense. I bought a season ticket and got sky  UTT |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Sept 27, 2015 19:35:47 GMT 1
I also go and watch Stalybridge. Football cannot all be top level (not that i have seen that at Town in my lifetime). Its entertainment...room for all...big or small. The trip, the ground, the craic....anyone can watch Man United. You better start appreciating lower league football yourself because thats where we will be forever. As for bargain...£10 is not bargain, its the price for the top level in Spain, Germany, Italy and Poland... where i live. Presumably you don;'t go to any of those games either, whatever the price they charge, as they will not be aimlessly hoofing the ball up front in a dog and duck style? They'll be focussing on keeping the ball and passing it to one and other. You talk about getting used to lower league football but ironically, you seem to miss the rather obvious point that we are actually not in the lower leagues for once! I had got used to it and had got used to the crap scrappy football you're trying to convince yourself is entertaining that comes with being in leagues 1 and 2. The better quality football from both Town and the opposition since we went up has been a refreshing change and Ive enjoyed all 3 seasons so far. the odd duff game but id love to hear about this era when that didn't happen. ~This era when the players really cared and never gave less than 100% and played thrilling exciting football every game and the atmosphere was electric game after game and this and that and other bullshit people seem to come up with. When exactly was that?? I would love to agree with you....but then i would be lying. Exciting times with better quality football? When exactly was that in the last 3 years? Touche. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 19:41:43 GMT 1
Fuck sky, fuck Murdoch and fuck modern football.
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Post by iangreaves on Sept 27, 2015 20:17:59 GMT 1
Hoyle has said that he's considering using some of the £8 million transfer kitty to fund reduced tickets next season and maybe this is the answer. If as Terrierpark says above, we have a season of a flat rate £20 on all matches with no special offers except reductions for season ticket/take 10 holders, then lets see how that affects the gate. We've proved in the past that we don't need to spend millions in the transfer market, but we need some shrewd signings and for the development squad to start producing more. No, he didn't. He said he might use some of the extra FL payments. He also said it would be season tickets rather than match day tickets that would be reduced. Unfortunately, I think it's the match day price that is the problem. |
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Post by softboy on Sept 27, 2015 20:21:23 GMT 1
I have to say that some of the posters on here are starting to convince me that paying £1,000 (or thereabouts) to watch Sky might be a good investment.
I could watch endless football and save the cost of a town season ticket (£350).
I could watch endless cooking programmes/restaurant programmes and save money going out with the wife for a meal (could be up to £2,000 a year).
I could watch endless programmes about holidays, travel, railway journeys and save going on holiday (say £4,000 a year).
I could watch endless music videos/concerts instead of going to see the acts themselves (say £2,000 a year).
After all who would want to see Madness, One Direction, Elton John, Cliff Richard, etc etc live when you can get exactly the same experience watching them on the telly.
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Sept 27, 2015 20:24:54 GMT 1
But as some town fans say, I'm not a real fan because I'm not willing to pay what I think is over the odds money to watch town. I'm happy to accept in their eyes I'm not a real supporter, charge a decent price I might come and watch regularly, unless by the time town do it I've found another hobby to occupy my time. So what is a "decent price"? |
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Post by softboy on Sept 27, 2015 20:38:48 GMT 1
Bearing in mind we are in the second tier of English Football, what other people charge, the cost of watching Halifax & Weston Super Mare (as quoted on other forums) I would say £25/£30 is resonable for a walk up price.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 27, 2015 20:40:09 GMT 1
I have to say that some of the posters on here are starting to convince me that paying £1,000 (or thereabouts) to watch Sky might be a good investment. I could watch endless football and save the cost of a town season ticket (£350). I could watch endless cooking programmes/restaurant programmes and save money going out with the wife for a meal (could be up to £2,000 a year). I could watch endless programmes about holidays, travel, railway journeys and save going on holiday (say £4,000 a year). I could watch endless music videos/concerts instead of going to see the acts themselves (say £2,000 a year). After all who would want to see Madness, One Direction, Elton John, Cliff Richard, etc etc live when you can get exactly the same experience watching them on the telly. You can joke, but I bet that's how 25% of people live. |
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Post by softboy on Sept 27, 2015 20:48:49 GMT 1
To be honest I was not trying to "joke" - I just cannot believe that people actually think that watching something on telly is as good as seeing it "for real".
And for those who have not been down this season having town fans behind the goal does lift the atmosphere whoever we are playing.
So at £10 Adults, £5 kids against MK Dons I would say if you have not been down this season, give it a go, you never know the people on here trying to put you off might be wrong!
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 27, 2015 21:31:22 GMT 1
Hoyle has said that he's considering using some of the £8 million transfer kitty to fund reduced tickets next season and maybe this is the answer. If as Terrierpark says above, we have a season of a flat rate £20 on all matches with no special offers except reductions for season ticket/take 10 holders, then lets see how that affects the gate. We've proved in the past that we don't need to spend millions in the transfer market, but we need some shrewd signings and for the development squad to start producing more. No, he didn't. He said he might use some of the extra FL payments. He also said it would be season tickets rather than match day tickets that would be reduced. Ok so I read it wrong, but its not the season ticket holders he needs to convince, its those currently not attending. Reducing season ticket prices whilst keeping matchday prices high is not going to win fans back, unless there's a dramatic improvement in league form and position. |
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Post by detox on Sept 27, 2015 21:33:15 GMT 1
Well if Town wanted to do some radical..they could charge entrance based on league position - bottom 6 £12 lower 6 £18 upper 6 £24 top6 £30...then at least if we've played crap and lost, town fans will think at least next time may be cheaper and if we win and move higher up the table the elation will offset having to pay more ? win/win I'd say........
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 21:48:29 GMT 1
No, he didn't. He said he might use some of the extra FL payments. He also said it would be season tickets rather than match day tickets that would be reduced. Ok so I read it wrong, but its not the season ticket holders he needs to convince, its those currently not attending. Reducing season ticket prices whilst keeping matchday prices high is not going to win fans back, unless there's a dramatic improvement in league form and position. We could do with convincing more people to be season ticket holders though. I'm guessing they'd be looking at something like £250ish season tickets and pushing it from Jan. Someone suggested earlier in the thread, which I think is a good idea, if people sign up for a season ticket for next season they get reduced entry for the rest of this season. I might be in a minority, but I don't think massively reducing ticket prices will have a much of an impact on gates. It's shown in the past when we have £10 or £15 games, attendances don't go up much. Less than 11,500, which includes away fans, off the back of a couple of good performances and results on Thursday proves that. Anyone who moans about ticket prices, then doesn't go when the club do something like that are not only pathetic, but are actually decreasing the chances the club will reduce admission prices going forward. We can't go as low as the £100 tickets, so, even though we're in a higher league, we're not going to get 16,000 again. However, I think at around £250 we could add a few thousand on to current levels, especially if we can have a good season. Either way, people will still come up with excuses why they can't/won't go. Quite why anyone who doesn't go to games (not because they live miles away, or genuinely can't afford to go), yet posts on a HTAFC message board will always baffle me. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 27, 2015 21:51:20 GMT 1
You asked did I go on Thursday , yes I did . But it was £15 . The question was asked what is a fair price, personally I would say £23 is a fair price £20 a motivator to attend often.
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Sept 27, 2015 22:31:32 GMT 1
You asked did I go on Thursday , yes I did . But it was £15 . The question was asked what is a fair price, personally I would say £23 is a fair price £20 a motivator to attend often. Cat B's are £23.50 and Cat C's are £21 in the FM Lower |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 27, 2015 22:34:55 GMT 1
What's your point, I've been saying its to expensive to charge £30plus pay on the day prices for the better games. I be been to some of the cheaper games this year.
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Post by detox on Sept 27, 2015 22:37:44 GMT 1
You asked did I go on Thursday , yes I did . But it was £15 . The question was asked what is a fair price, personally I would say £23 is a fair price £20 a motivator to attend often. Cat B's are £23.50 and Cat C's are £21 in the FM Lower let's make the FML the poor stand then ? maybe they could serve soup and roll ... jeez |
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