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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Oct 5, 2015 15:16:00 GMT 1
One word sums the last 10 games " INCONSISTENCY ". Nothing much has changed at this club over the years as expect the unexpected.
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Post by Melc on Oct 5, 2015 15:23:04 GMT 1
18th is about right, which I'd definitely take if offered right now. Against the back drop of player sales and the signing of short term loans as replacements, Powell will have done a commendable job if he keeps us up again. You may be happy with a 18th place finish but many fans won't be and rightly so! We should be aiming for the top half and nothing less.
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Post by detox on Oct 5, 2015 15:29:24 GMT 1
18th is about right, which I'd definitely take if offered right now. Against the back drop of player sales and the signing of short term loans as replacements, Powell will have done a commendable job if he keeps us up again. You may be happy with a 18th place finish but many fans won't be and rightly so! We should be aiming for the top half and nothing less. Many insist we are progressing, by virtue of our league position..so we'd have to finish higher than 16th to continue this progression up the league..we should hit the top 3 by 2029...but I fear I will be old and senile by the then and won't actually know where I am, or who I am..never mind where Town are.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 5, 2015 15:36:38 GMT 1
we should be aiming to take games on, especially ones in which we have a good start.. where we finish in the league is more dependant on what we do in the next game than aiming for some 'mythical possible finishing position'...
if the clubs whole ethos is just avoiding relegation then we wont see the above often enough..
the season is not dependant on how we do against mk dons, preston etc..counting on them not doing very well is a mistake.
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Post by rocky on Oct 5, 2015 15:40:24 GMT 1
Shit and mainly boring with the odd positive I can live with bad results, but what does it for me..and what stops me from going is the number of times I left the JSS feeling cheated. I know we've had some good patches in games and all that,but the regularity of the dire effort is just too much for me to risk coughing up my hard earned. I don't particularly expect silky skills and Lionel Messi type goals every game, but I do expect effort..lots of it. There are excuses why things go wrong, but no excuses ever for a total lack of running, chasing, closing down and getting stuck in...these lads are fit as fiddlesticks...they train most days..ffs. When Town can deliver on maximum effort, I will come down and pay my money to watch..whatever league we are in (almost..). AND, as an afterthought, if we can combine maximum effort with silky skills, I'll happily pay £30 to watch that. Cheated? Bit strong that, isn't it? I think you're confusing poor results with lack of effort. Including Wolves on TV, I've seen all but 2 games this season & certainly haven't detected a lack of effort etc. There's always going to be the odd instance of not closing down & the other things you mention, but you get that with virtually every team. Poor results are not down to lack of effort, they're down to a consequence of having one of the smallest budgets in the division. Incidentally, you've admitted to not going, which in a very small way contributes to the problems Town currently face. Those choosing not to go, adversely affect the club's income & therefore their ability to attract the better players needed to push on. Clearly you're not going to agree!
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Post by Melc on Oct 5, 2015 15:48:01 GMT 1
we should be aiming to take games on, especially ones in which we have a good start.. where we finish in the league is more dependant on what we do in the next game than aiming for some 'mythical possible finishing position'... if the clubs whole ethos is just avoiding relegation then we wont see the above often enough.. the season is not dependant on how we do against mk dons, preston etc..counting on them not doing very well is a mistake. [br The club have done themselves no favours regarding the amount of apathy among the supporters. The benchmark has to be more from the club than just surviving every season, as this just can be embedded in the team and the lack of desire to achieve greater things!
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Post by detox on Oct 5, 2015 16:18:03 GMT 1
I can live with bad results, but what does it for me..and what stops me from going is the number of times I left the JSS feeling cheated. I know we've had some good patches in games and all that,but the regularity of the dire effort is just too much for me to risk coughing up my hard earned. I don't particularly expect silky skills and Lionel Messi type goals every game, but I do expect effort..lots of it. There are excuses why things go wrong, but no excuses ever for a total lack of running, chasing, closing down and getting stuck in...these lads are fit as fiddlesticks...they train most days..ffs. When Town can deliver on maximum effort, I will come down and pay my money to watch..whatever league we are in (almost..). AND, as an afterthought, if we can combine maximum effort with silky skills, I'll happily pay £30 to watch that. Cheated? Bit strong that, isn't it? I think you're confusing poor results with lack of effort. Including Wolves on TV, I've seen all but 2 games this season & certainly haven't detected a lack of effort etc. There's always going to be the odd instance of not closing down & the other things you mention, but you get that with virtually every team. Poor results are not down to lack of effort, they're down to a consequence of having one of the smallest budgets in the division. Incidentally, you've admitted to not going, which in a very small way contributes to the problems Town currently face. Those choosing not to go, adversely affect the club's income & therefore their ability to attract the better players needed to push on. Clearly you're not going to agree! No...I've differentiated lack of effort from poor results - " I can live with bad results, but what does it for me..and what stops me from going is the number of times I left the JSS feeling cheated." ...although maybe 'cheated' was the wrong word - frustrated perhaps its better. My comments don't just refer to this season either, but the period dating back to the latter stages of Elsie's reign, which is when I decided to be more selective in the games I go to watch. I don't agree with your comment .." Those choosing not to go, adversely affect the club's income & therefore their ability to attract the better players needed to push on." either. I've said somewhere else (attendances thread) that the club can not expect 13,000 to turn up in the hope that one day we'll recruit better players..it doesn't , ever, work like that..with any club. Fans turn up to watch decent competetive football at a decent competetive price. Fair weather supporter ? yes,probably I am,me and thousands of others across all the leagues in the world with maybe one or two clubs excepted.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Oct 5, 2015 16:21:40 GMT 1
1. New striker needed, the JV situation needs sorting. 2. Must do much better at left back 3. Conceding too many soft goals so far. 4. Much revision and improvement needed in the next block of fixtures and need to create more chances.
Ten game marking.... 4/10
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Post by Floyds on Oct 5, 2015 17:21:40 GMT 1
18th is about right, which I'd definitely take if offered right now. Against the back drop of player sales and the signing of short term loans as replacements, Powell will have done a commendable job if he keeps us up again. You may be happy with a 18th place finish but many fans won't be and rightly so! We should be aiming for the top half and nothing less. We can aim for the top half...! I don't see how we're expecting to realistically achieve that though, given the circumstances. We'll also probably field a weaker team in the cup to focus on the next league game and get dumped out at the first opportunity. I agree, this isn't going to help either walk up sales this season, or season ticket sales next. Unless we make a few signings in January then 18th is a realistic target, I think.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 17:23:26 GMT 1
I think we are roughly where we will finish.
Who will come past us? A couple, maybe.
Who will we pass? A couple, maybe.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 5, 2015 17:26:14 GMT 1
I think we are roughly where we will finish. Who will come past us? A couple, maybe. Who will we pass? A couple, maybe. Thanks Garth
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Post by rocky on Oct 5, 2015 17:36:30 GMT 1
No...I've differentiated lack of effort from poor results - " I can live with bad results, but what does it for me..and what stops me from going is the number of times I left the JSS feeling cheated." ...although maybe 'cheated' was the wrong word - frustrated perhaps its better. My comments don't just refer to this season either, but the period dating back to the latter stages of Elsie's reign, which is when I decided to be more selective in the games I go to watch. I don't agree with your comment .." Those choosing not to go, adversely affect the club's income & therefore their ability to attract the better players needed to push on." either. I've said somewhere else (attendances thread) that the club can not expect 13,000 to turn up in the hope that one day we'll recruit better players..it doesn't , ever, work like that..with any club. Fans turn up to watch decent competetive football at a decent competetive price. Fair weather supporter ? yes,probably I am,me and thousands of others across all the leagues in the world with maybe one or two clubs excepted. Fair enough. It's difficult to argue against that logic. We do have one of the smallest budgets though & that's the biggest reason we can't progress. Classic catch 22 - Those not going want to see more investment from the club before they'll return, but the club need their support before they can make that investment. There needs to be a bit of give & take on both sides. The club need to do something about POTD prices to attract more support (though I'm not sure what, because doesn't it impact on what they can charge away fans?), whilst those not going need to recognise they're part of the problem & start going again. Without both of those things, it's difficult to see how Town can progress. 'Frustration' is the perfect word to describe Town - Thing is, it's been going on over 4 decades now! Lastly, I haven't a clue who 'Elsie' is & just hope I'm not alone in that!
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Post by detox on Oct 5, 2015 18:29:32 GMT 1
No...I've differentiated lack of effort from poor results - " I can live with bad results, but what does it for me..and what stops me from going is the number of times I left the JSS feeling cheated." ...although maybe 'cheated' was the wrong word - frustrated perhaps its better. My comments don't just refer to this season either, but the period dating back to the latter stages of Elsie's reign, which is when I decided to be more selective in the games I go to watch. I don't agree with your comment .." Those choosing not to go, adversely affect the club's income & therefore their ability to attract the better players needed to push on." either. I've said somewhere else (attendances thread) that the club can not expect 13,000 to turn up in the hope that one day we'll recruit better players..it doesn't , ever, work like that..with any club. Fans turn up to watch decent competetive football at a decent competetive price. Fair weather supporter ? yes,probably I am,me and thousands of others across all the leagues in the world with maybe one or two clubs excepted. Fair enough. It's difficult to argue against that logic. We do have one of the smallest budgets though & that's the biggest reason we can't progress. Classic catch 22 - Those not going want to see more investment from the club before they'll return, but the club need their support before they can make that investment. There needs to be a bit of give & take on both sides. The club need to do something about POTD prices to attract more support (though I'm not sure what, because doesn't it impact on what they can charge away fans?), whilst those not going need to recognise they're part of the problem & start going again. Without both of those things, it's difficult to see how Town can progress. 'Frustration' is the perfect word to describe Town - Thing is, it's been going on over 4 decades now! Lastly, I haven't a clue who 'Elsie' is & just hope I'm not alone in that! Elsie....LC....(Lee Clark). It is a problem, and yes a catch22 situation, but we had over 13,300 fans in our first season back, and expectations weren't so high, the next season we lost 5% of our fans (700) , the year after we lost another 500 fans due to what many thought was lack of tangible progress, this season fans have reduced by another 2,000..which has been a major shock to the club (and me). We have lost nearly 25% of our fans since that first season back in the Championship. .that's 3,200 fans at (say) £25 x 23 games..almost £2m ! All those fans can't be wrong..the product on offer is not worth buying..that's not being 'part of the problem', that's a consequence of the problem, imo.
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Post by y2troy on Oct 5, 2015 19:13:59 GMT 1
In my opinion i have looked into our great club both on and off the pitch and if one or the other does not function correctly then we are in trouble in some way or another,so for what its worth i will try give my views.
ON THE PITCH First of all im not on board with all the loans what we have in the team,i dont think its good for continuity long term even if its what the club think is our model ,i am basing this on how i think our team should be ran on the pitch regardless.Ive always said we should be trying to build a standard and an identity of football home or away where we compete ,either that be pass n move,long ball ,pressure,direct etc etc we need to know what we are and get the players in we want.These players dont need to be costing millions they just need to fit into the system we choose to play,which brings me on to my next point ...the players .At the moment think we have the ability to suprise and compete teams on any given day but ultimately we have the ability to crumble so easily on any given day also,are the players we have at the club playing to there potential week in week out ?? and if not do we blame the system do we blame manager..... for me personally its all about getting things right together as a club .When i say that it means knowing players strengths coaching them correctly and working behind the scenes with the management and players also and filling the stands whatever the costs too,a poster above said we lost 500 fans per season which is very alarming and we have to ask why and end of the day comes down to what happens on the pitch and knock on effect is what the pay for what they are watching.There is gonna be a time when we are gonna have to realise where are we gonna go ,call it a bit like play your cards right in a way ...higher or lower kinda thing because its gonna get harder juggling every season especially with loans and we cant produce a 5M player every season so somewhere along the line we either need a master plan or some sort of better improvement and consistency on teh pitch as to where we have a chance of the promised land.
OFF THE PITCH We all love our chairman and what he has done for us and many of us will not hear a word said against him including me ,BUT we do need to know long term what are our plans ,and before any replies come in ,i know he has balanced us and someone says why dont i put millions in blah blah , i am only saying the loans are worrying ,the fan base is dwindling ,the ticketing price stucture is flawed amd above all else the year on year progression that is so widely spoke of so much is not gonna last forever when will we see any genuine investment ,as i said in my other segment doesnt need to be millions just in right areas as long as we got the style of play we require.We more importantly need to make this a massive club again when we first came up to this club in 1995 this place was bouncing attendances was up the club was together both on and off the pitch the town was involved with the club and everywhere u looked the buzz was everywhere friday before match day and even on match day i loved going to town 12 ish to pubs to get the atmosphere.My point been i dont know whats missing there but promotions marketing the buzz i dont know the prople missing more people at games it was a pleasure going to games.So there we go hope that didnt bore u all and just my insight and hope mainly that HTFC can be as one anytime soon as we will see us rise again
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Post by thrice on Oct 5, 2015 19:25:47 GMT 1
It has been a so so start.
We can quite justifiably expect better.
Over to you Mr Powell.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 19:27:36 GMT 1
I think we are roughly where we will finish. Who will come past us? A couple, maybe. Who will we pass? A couple, maybe. Thanks Garth You clearly know how I love that man.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 20:07:21 GMT 1
I think we are roughly where we will finish. Who will come past us? A couple, maybe. Who will we pass? A couple, maybe. That's like that intelligence test about having 23 people (or some odd number) to get across a river with 1 boat, has to have a pilot/captain and can only take 2 passengers at a time or something and has to have an odd number of people in the boat etc... So if that's the case I reckon we'll finish 1 place higher than we are as the club that pass us will have their game abandoned on the final day and the draw they get awarded after being 6-0 up will mean they actually finish below us on goal difference...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 20:14:55 GMT 1
If you are third in a race and overtake second, where are you now?
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Post by hypotenuse on Oct 5, 2015 22:52:21 GMT 1
Not sure if it adds much to the debate but we have only played 1 of the bottom 6 in our first 10 games and won that 4-1. Personally feel 18th on our budget would be reasonable and 14th or better not far off a miracle. Don't forget when surveyed that the journalists of most other clubs in our division felt we were certs for the drop.
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Post by trailingleg on Oct 6, 2015 0:51:12 GMT 1
Winning 3 out of twenty odd games looks pretty consistent to me. Last season at this time we had the emergent Bunn, and Scannell was firing with renewed confidence. We also had Coady and Butterfield looking to kick start their careers, with Holt, Wells and a recovering Vaughan in the mix. This year doesn't look anywhere near as strong a line up with Davidson replacing Robinson and Miller up front, with loanees (I know Huws has goals in him), but Carayol blows hot and cold and Paterson doesn't play. We've also bought two players with our limited budget, one of whom is loaned out immediately and the other isn't selected - remember Deano's 'minutes on the pitch' remark with reference to Vaughan. The only success story so far has been Whitehead of our contracted newcomers, and he came on a free. I can't see many bookmakers changing their minds about our being relegation contenders, because we don't look like a team playing with conviction in too many matches. I hope that I'm wrong but on Saturday's evidence we do look like a bottom three outfit. Even with the players mentioned in last season's squad we could only finish 16th. I'll still go down and support them though - hope springs eternal, and Bolton are crap too. UTT
PS. That white strip is bloody awful - so is the dated lime green. Red and black stripes please (with a picture of Desperate Dan on the front).
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Post by John Smith on Oct 6, 2015 0:57:19 GMT 1
I think we'll get 50 points, give or take a few. I think it'll see us safe. And, hats off to CP if that's the case. I can't think of another club in this division that's had the hardship we have re transfers etc. But in the long term? No idea.
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Post by townrwe on Oct 6, 2015 4:21:35 GMT 1
On the showings of players so far this year..... my question would be what is there left to sell? We have sold all our playing assets.
I'm really racking my brain as to who we will be able to balance the books with next summer, to me we would be lucky to move all of the contracted players on frees.
If we don't go down this year, we will soon. If you want bigger crowds you need to show ambition at huddersfield, there is no ambition been shown, so you just show apathey.
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Post by runner76 on Oct 6, 2015 10:27:02 GMT 1
question is how long can we keep scraping along the bottom before we slip down?.......as others have pointed out, fans will not keep coming of there is no ambition / growth or going forwards.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 10:40:55 GMT 1
We were 14 points off relegation Las season and 9 the season before, so along way from being relegated. We were close to going down with a record points tally the season before.
We aren't doing badly for a club that is now getting 11,000 crowds. The pricing needs to be looked at, but is it really much more than when we were in league 1 getting 14000 crowds? If the people of Huddersfield would prefer to win games in a lower league and pay about £3 less, than that's up to them.
I think its a bit rich to question the clubs ambition when we are down to 11000 crowds. The pricing may be a bit high, but its still one of the lowest in the championship.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Oct 6, 2015 13:07:34 GMT 1
No goal threat is how I'd sum us up. At times we play some half decent stuff but ultimately that will count for nothing if we can't score. We need a striker, either Wells back playing or someone else. Looking solid with Miller as a loan striker will catch us up eventually.
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Post by Giggity on Oct 6, 2015 22:04:51 GMT 1
Doesn't it depend on how good the opposition are in the first ten games? If you go back 27 games, his record is just as bad. Another excuse is needed.
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Post by hypotenuse on Oct 6, 2015 22:27:19 GMT 1
I wonder which managers in the division you think are doing a better job than Powell relative to the finances at their disposal. I can think of only one - Rowett at Birmingham.
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Post by hypotenuse on Oct 6, 2015 22:30:24 GMT 1
If you are third in a race and overtake second, where are you now? If you are last in a race and get overtaken, where are you now?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 22:43:36 GMT 1
If you are third in a race and overtake second, where are you now? If you are last in a race and get overtaken, where are you now? If you're last in a race, you're already infront of those that daren't enter.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 23:24:56 GMT 1
I frown upon all this casual racism.
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