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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 17:30:01 GMT 1
As I mentioned above though, this doesn't mean we were being lied to. Every player has a price. A player being touted around with a fixed price is when they are for sale. This was the case of the club receiving an offer too good to turn down. Oh, I agree, just responding to someone writing>> "You really are making shit up now! When did Dean Hoyle ever state that Butterfield was not for sale!"
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Feb 5, 2016 17:38:18 GMT 1
So he did say it, not being at the Canalside that night I must have missed it (Vaughan was the big news that night for me) I still don't see a problem believing the club's stance on this issue at the time (Aug 18) he wasn't for sale, which is why we rejected further bids from Derby until we received one nearly 2 weeks later that the club felt was too good to turn down. If DH had stated that Butterfield would not be sold IMO that would be lying but he didn't so he wasn't lying. Do you think the club were wrong to sell Butterfield for the silly amount we were offered?
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Post by yorkshiretripod on Feb 5, 2016 17:43:15 GMT 1
Ha, no, it's a sermondnilap of my name. Ah, as in Nigel. Welcome to the board Mr Clibbens. *pedant alert* Wouldn't that be emordnilap?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 17:43:32 GMT 1
Do you believe all the club tells you, or do you think sometimes there's an element of telling the fans what they want to hear?
"Butterfield is not for sale"
"Vaughan has a leg injury"
There's an element of PR involved in everything that comes out of the club, it's nothing new all organisations do it, but to take it as gospel 100% of the time isn't the way for me.
On the other hand I'd say our chairman can often be too honest at times, in what he says in public. The Vaughan situation was handled very badly IMO.
Saying Butterfield is for sale or not is absolutely irrelevant. Jacob Butterfield wanted to leave this football club, thats not an opinion, that's an absolute fact. It depends if you believe what DH said after the sale. I don't frankly, I think it was pure and simple PR to quell the anger amongst fans.
Butterfield said he'd remain committed to Huddersfield Town and the team. He also, as said earlier, put in 2 man of the match performances, apparently weeks after he wanted to leave Huddersfield Town and had no wish to play for them anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 17:47:24 GMT 1
I wonder if we'll ever know the true reason? Do we actually need to?
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Post by bro600 on Feb 5, 2016 17:47:25 GMT 1
Butterfield himself said the club had told him all along that it would take a silly amount for them to let him leave, so he said he'd be happy to say and he was feeling the pressure and just happy to get on the pitch. When the final offer came in and the window was getting closer to shutting he found it hard to get on the coach never mind the pitch.. Don't even know if i could blame him really.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 5, 2016 17:47:50 GMT 1
Saying Butterfield is for sale or not is absolutely irrelevant. Jacob Butterfield wanted to leave this football club, thats not an opinion, that's an absolute fact. It depends if you believe what DH said after the sale. I don't frankly, I think it was pure and simple PR to quell the anger amongst fans.
Butterfield said he'd remain committed to Huddersfield Town and the team. He also, as said earlier, put in 2 man of the match performances, apparently weeks after he wanted to leave Huddersfield Town and had no wish to play for them anymore.
He was absolutely desperate to get away .. he wouldn't get on the coach to fulham without intervention .. he then proceeded to play well but he wasn't for.staying .. and we got SIX MIlLION .. steal of the century .. give it a fucking rest
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Post by ben1987 on Feb 5, 2016 17:49:00 GMT 1
Saying Butterfield is for sale or not is absolutely irrelevant. Jacob Butterfield wanted to leave this football club, thats not an opinion, that's an absolute fact. It depends if you believe what DH said after the sale. I don't frankly, I think it was pure and simple PR to quell the anger amongst fans.
Butterfield said he'd remain committed to Huddersfield Town and the team. He also, as said earlier, put in 2 man of the match performances, apparently weeks after he wanted to leave Huddersfield Town and had no wish to play for them anymore.
You're not listening to what I'm saying. Jacob Butterfield wanted to leave Huddersfield Town Football Club. Forget your conspiracie theories, forget all your assumptions, forget your agenda. He wanted to leave.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 17:49:12 GMT 1
So he did say it, not being at the Canalside that night I must have missed it (Vaughan was the big news that night for me) I still don't see a problem believing the club's stance on this issue at the time (Aug 18) he wasn't for sale, which is why we rejected further bids from Derby until we received one nearly 2 weeks later that the club felt was too good to turn down. If DH had stated that Butterfield would not be sold IMO that would be lying but he didn't so he wasn't lying. Do you think the club were wrong to sell Butterfield for the silly amount we were offered? Nice edit....
I was just about to list a few of your quotes...
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Post by dalton knee-jerk on Feb 5, 2016 17:53:05 GMT 1
Or maybe he's only in the academy still because of his dad... I was thinking that, Nigel replied to me several times about many issues, good luck to him. No wonder he has gone then, he's obviously been sectioned!!
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Feb 5, 2016 17:53:14 GMT 1
I wonder if we'll ever know the true reason? Do we actually need to? The true reason is that Derby offered him more brass than we did....and that will always be the way! Even Boothy was tempted away.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 17:53:49 GMT 1
So he did say it, not being at the Canalside that night I must have missed it (Vaughan was the big news that night for me) I still don't see a problem believing the club's stance on this issue at the time (Aug 18) he wasn't for sale, which is why we rejected further bids from Derby until we received one nearly 2 weeks later that the club felt was too good to turn down. If DH had stated that Butterfield would not be sold IMO that would be lying but he didn't so he wasn't lying. Do you think the club were wrong to sell Butterfield for the silly amount we were offered? On the premise that the money would be re-invested in the squad, no.
If I'd have known we were going to sell the player of the season, our first choice keeper and Coady and wait until at least the following summer to reinvest this money in the squad, my view would have been different at the time.
It was all a PR game IMO and one which I just don't believe. Not that it matters in the grand scheme of things, but I tend to take a lot of what comes out of the club with a pinch of salt as most of it is twisted to appease the fans or quell unrest. This was a classic example, as was using DW rather than the man with the purse, to tell us we didn't need any squad strengthening this window.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 17:54:13 GMT 1
Good good. He has significantly held us back in many areas over the past few years. Exciting times. How? Were you expecting an answer???
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 17:56:43 GMT 1
It depends if you believe what DH said after the sale. I don't frankly, I think it was pure and simple PR to quell the anger amongst fans.
Butterfield said he'd remain committed to Huddersfield Town and the team. He also, as said earlier, put in 2 man of the match performances, apparently weeks after he wanted to leave Huddersfield Town and had no wish to play for them anymore.
You're not listening to what I'm saying. Jacob Butterfield wanted to leave Huddersfield Town Football Club. Forget your conspiracie theories, forget all your assumptions, forget your agenda. He wanted to leave. You were there when he told DH this were you? Did you record it?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 17:57:37 GMT 1
The true reason is that Derby offered him more brass than we did....and that will always be the way! Even Boothy was tempted away. I meant do we actually need to know why Clibbens has gone.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Feb 5, 2016 17:58:45 GMT 1
Or maybe he's only in the academy still because of his dad... I was thinking that, Nigel replied to me several times about many issues, good luck to him. Then he left
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Feb 5, 2016 18:00:37 GMT 1
The true reason is that Derby offered him more brass than we did....and that will always be the way! Even Boothy was tempted away. I meant do we actually need to know why Clibbens has gone. Ah sorry - thread dysmorphia. No we don't. We do need Deano to get himself a decent CEO/CFO so all the shit we generate doesn't get too close to him.
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Post by dugnet on Feb 5, 2016 18:01:28 GMT 1
What a load of pointless debate this is - Butterfield went, Vaughan went, Powell went and now so has Clibbens....conspiracise away but how about watching and see what happens next...? Bit radical I know...
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Feb 5, 2016 18:01:44 GMT 1
You're not listening to what I'm saying. Jacob Butterfield wanted to leave Huddersfield Town Football Club. Forget your conspiracie theories, forget all your assumptions, forget your agenda. He wanted to leave. You were there when he told DH this were you? Did you record it? And Butterfield also said to Derby So is he lying too? He added: “ From day one this move really interested me. Once I heard something could potentially happen, I started to look further into it and there is such a talented squad and now that I have actually come down to the Training Centre and seen it, I am surprised at just how impressive it is....." www.dcfc.co.uk/news/article/jacob-butterfield-everything-about-derby-county-is-impressive-2662143.aspx
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Feb 5, 2016 18:03:31 GMT 1
What a load of pointless debate this is - Butterfield went, Vaughan went, Powell went and now so has Clibbens....conspiracise away but how about watching and see what happens next...? Bit radical I know... Bloody hell - when you put it like that I can see a pattern emerging.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 18:04:51 GMT 1
And on what authority do you know this? . typical on here people just guessing and maybe we will never know the reason for his departure
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 18:05:10 GMT 1
Ah, as in Nigel. Welcome to the board Mr Clibbens. *pedant alert* Wouldn't that be emordnilap? No, the singular has the s at the start (even though you might expect it not to), but the plural adds one on the end just like a regular word, oddly enough... en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/semordnilapsSemordnilaps isn't a semordnilap word, but semordnilap is!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 18:09:43 GMT 1
I read the article and I don't think you can tell whether he left or was pushed. I think he has done a good job for Town and maybe he just wanted to move into something a little more low profile than a football club. Whatever the reason he left I wish him well. Me too things change all the time
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Post by dugnet on Feb 5, 2016 18:11:40 GMT 1
What a load of pointless debate this is - Butterfield went, Vaughan went, Powell went and now so has Clibbens....conspiracise away but how about watching and see what happens next...? Bit radical I know... Bloody hell - when you put it like that I can see a pattern emerging. Perhaps DH watched "and then there were none.." at Xmas...Miller could be last man standing...or to be more accurate, falling lamely on his arse
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Feb 5, 2016 18:12:44 GMT 1
I always found him engaging, in a quite simplistic way. He was warm, always a smile, well respected. Perhaps his media skills lacked somewhat but hey... Thanks Nigel and good luck.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Feb 5, 2016 18:13:41 GMT 1
Ah, as in Nigel. Welcome to the board Mr Clibbens. *pedant alert* Wouldn't that be emordnilap? Seen it both ways and I'm not really sure but either way I think he meant his real name was Nigel If the word palindromes is itself read in reverse however, the result is semordnilap, a term coined in recent years to refer to words and phrases which make sense when read backwards, but have a different meaning from when they are read forwards.5 Dec 2003 Definition of semordnilap, BuzzWord from Macmillan ... www.macmillandictionary.com/buzzword/entries/semordnilap.htmlEdit; Just seen the reply from the man himself above.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 18:14:42 GMT 1
I seem to recall a poster saying there would be big news coming at the beginning of the year. Perhaps this is the start of it? All the best Nigel, thanks for your help in making the club what it is today. indeed i did
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Feb 5, 2016 18:17:29 GMT 1
Bloody hell - when you put it like that I can see a pattern emerging. Perhaps DH watched "and then there were none.." at Xmas...Miller could be last man standing...or to be more accurate, falling lamely on his arse ......but you would have thought Miller would be the first domino to fall.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 18:21:56 GMT 1
Hope his son can stay in accademy ? No problem there
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Post by dugnet on Feb 5, 2016 18:26:31 GMT 1
Here's another thought - he was an employee, he made no investment (other than his professional commitment to a role) and was basically a senior administrator. CEO's come and go in business everyday, it happens...not sure why we are judging the underlying story...if there is one.
Life goes on....I am not sure the overall value of what NC added, I don't know if he was a great bloke or not, I don't know if there's a bigger problem at the club or not...but I do know I have a ticket to see us at PNE tomorrow and I am pretty sure that that DW wasn't planning on playing Nigel Clibbens..
I suppose the other thing this does show is how very suspicious some our of the way the club is run and what "really" happens....something that DH and the team could do well to consider...from the initial openness and building of trust some now read all sorts into what is probably a very straight forward decision for which there may indeed be a bigger picture...it will come out in the wash..
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