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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 12:25:43 GMT 1
Ok, I accept that on the ball he leaves a lot to be desired, but I dare say I think a lot of those who are so quick to criticise him aren't watching his movement and influence off the ball, and it's no coencidence that our unbeaten run started with his arrival(although i'm not saying he was solely responsible for it!) For me he is exactly the kind of player we want at this club, even if it's in a player/coach role. If Johnson returns to us in the form he was pre-injury, then a CM pairing of him and Kilbane has me watering at the mouth.
All just my humble opinion of course ;D
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Post by townfan on May 31, 2011 12:28:30 GMT 1
Ok, I accept that on the ball he leaves a lot to be desired, but I dare say I think a lot of those who are so quick to criticise him aren't watching his movement and influence off the ball, (although i'm not saying he was solely responsible for it!) For me he is exactly the kind of player we want at this club, even if it's in a player/coach role. If Johnson returns to us in the form he was pre-injury, then a CM pairing of him and Kilbane has me watering at the mouth. All just my humble opinion of course ;D I totally agree with you Sheriff :appl: :appl: :appl: :udders: :udders: |
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Post by terrier1987cas on May 31, 2011 12:29:21 GMT 1
Between them they would probably command too much in wages, so I think it's a one or the other decision, and based on their performances this season Johnson wins that competition hands down. Kilbane was brought in for his experience where it would supposedly benefit us in the playoffs but apart from a goal in the first leg, he ultimately failed us in my opinion.
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Post by keepmoving on May 31, 2011 12:30:41 GMT 1
Maybe its time to give some of our promising youngsters a chance now. Kilbane was brought in to do a job and did it. Time now to look elsewhere imo.
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Post by offtopic on May 31, 2011 12:30:46 GMT 1
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Post by Detective Boyle on May 31, 2011 12:31:27 GMT 1
I think his decision making is poor, he rushes on the ball too much and plays a near impossible Hollywood ball way too much. One of the reasons we brought him in was for experience, and he hasn't showed a lot of that. But thats just my opinion, of course  |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 12:32:48 GMT 1
Between them they would probably command too much in wages, so I think it's a one or the other decision, and based on their performances this season Johnson wins that competition hands down. Kilbane was brought in for his experience where it would supposedly benefit us in the playoffs but apart from a goal in the first leg, he ultimately failed us in my opinion. I sincerely hope you're not pinning our loss on the final solely on KK? |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 12:34:05 GMT 1
Jesus christ Nah I don't think we could afford his wages, good shout though. |
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Post by ritchie on May 31, 2011 12:34:45 GMT 1
agree i dont think people realise what he does. 27 unbeaten says it all, if he was such a liability that just wouldnt have been possible. so many times when he will break down play in front of our area. he's poor with the ball but if he was instructed to keep it simple and just play a short pass when he gets it to someone more capable.
maybe he hasnt had as bigger bearing on the run, but its a big risk letting him go and then realising next season that we were better with him.
even if he's just knocking round the club and on the bench i think he's worth having. doubt his wage demands will be too big given it would probably be his last contract.
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Post by duncanshearer on May 31, 2011 12:34:59 GMT 1
We need more dynamism if we are to score the goals to get to automatic. Johnson yes but not Killer.
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Post by fredcarno on May 31, 2011 12:37:26 GMT 1
I hope and pray Clark doesn't sign him, for a guy with a hundred and odd international caps he gives the ball away in dangerous areas far too often and doesn't influence the game nearly enough. He was outshone Sunday by Peterborough's younger and hungrier midfielders.
With what he would want in wages we could sign 2 or 3 that would do a far better job than him. I fear the worst though and I think we'll have yet another overpaid / underperforming veteran on the books for 2 years.
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Post by terrier1987cas on May 31, 2011 12:38:18 GMT 1
Between them they would probably command too much in wages, so I think it's a one or the other decision, and based on their performances this season Johnson wins that competition hands down. Kilbane was brought in for his experience where it would supposedly benefit us in the playoffs but apart from a goal in the first leg, he ultimately failed us in my opinion. I sincerely hope you're not pinning our loss on the final solely on KK? Whoooaaa there not at all, he didn't cover himself in glory but quite a few of our players didn't, it was a team failure on Sunday. What I mean is that his experience was meant to come in handy for the big occasions, but he hasn't delivered in my opinion. At Arsenal his poor decision making led to their penalty, and in the playoffs he was pretty poor in all 3 matches. I know his influence is a bonus to the other players, but I think Johnson has been the far superior of the 2 this season. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 12:39:30 GMT 1
agree i dont think people realise what he does. 27 unbeaten says it all, if he was such a liability that just wouldnt have been possible. so many times when he will break down play in front of our area. he's poor with the ball but if he was instructed to keep it simple and just play a short pass when he gets it to someone more capable. maybe he hasnt had as bigger bearing on the run, but its a big risk letting him go and then realising next season that we were better with him. even if he's just knocking round the club and on the bench i think he's worth having. doubt his wage demands will be too big given it would probably be his last contract. Agree with you there, plus the fact that KK has said he has no wish to return to Hull and that they don't want him back would probably drive down his wages. As I said I think he would be a great acquisiton in the player/coach role. |
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Post by iangreaves on May 31, 2011 12:39:48 GMT 1
Jesus christ Nah I don't think we could afford his wages, good shout though. He's good on crosses. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 12:40:51 GMT 1
He's inspirational and he's good at plugging gaps defensively and getting others going around him but like many other midfielders, he's more effective in a 5 because he has so many holes in his game... It's not that he's a bad passer it's that he's an absolutely horrendous passer of a ball, he's poor in the tackle and he gets skinned if anyone runs at him. He's decent in the air defensively but he fails to track runners from midfield on a consistent basis ala Brighton away.
There are good points to him, he played a large part in that 27 game unbeaten run and he comes across brilliantly on Talksport and as a personality on the pitch but at 34, 35 next season and on apparently big wages I wouldn't make him my first choice and probably wouldn't sign him at all... I know it's a big ask but I'd be looking to try and get the next Liam Trotter or Darren Pratley to pair them up with Arfield or Johnson for next season.
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on May 31, 2011 12:42:41 GMT 1
I'd be happy starting the season with Johnson (assuming he's fit), Arfield, Gudjonsson and Atkinson
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 12:44:08 GMT 1
Nah I don't think we could afford his wages, good shout though. He's good on crosses. Is that nailed on? |
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Post by walshy on May 31, 2011 12:45:30 GMT 1
Whats that Jimmy Abdou (check spelling) doing these days? The lad that was at Millwall? I would love him at town. We need a combative, athletic midfielders, one who gets around the pitch, CAN PASS, can tackle etc etc.... There has to be someone out there who'd compliment with the likes of Arfield, possibly Johnson/and/or Joey? I'd like Atkinson to be bled through this year, but starting off the year on loan, very much in the mould of Jack Hunt.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 12:48:24 GMT 1
He's inspirational and he's good at plugging gaps defensively and getting others going around him but like many other midfielders, he's more effective in a 5 because he has so many holes in his game... It's not that he's a bad passer it's that he's an absolutely horrendous passer of a ball, he's poor in the tackle and he gets skinned if anyone runs at him. He's decent in the air defensively but he fails to track runners from midfield on a consistent basis ala Brighton away. There are good points to him, he played a large part in that 27 game unbeaten run and he comes across brilliantly on Talksport and as a personality on the pitch but at 34, 35 next season and on apparently big wages I wouldn't make him my first choice and probably wouldn't sign him at all... I know it's a big ask but I'd be looking to try and get the next Liam Trotter or Darren Pratley to pair them up with Arfield or Johnson for next season. Fair comment but I beg to differ with you on his tackling, i think he is superb in the tackle. |
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Post by Mastercracker on May 31, 2011 12:50:22 GMT 1
Whats that Jimmy Abdou (check spelling) doing these days? The lad that was at Millwall? I would love him at town. We need a combative, athletic midfielders, one who gets around the pitch, CAN PASS, can tackle etc etc.... There has to be someone out there who'd compliment with the likes of Arfield, possibly Johnson/and/or Joey? I'd like Atkinson to be bled through this year, but starting off the year on loan, very much in the mould of Jack Hunt. Playing week in week out at Millwall. Good player though. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 12:53:23 GMT 1
Whats that Jimmy Abdou (check spelling) doing these days? The lad that was at Millwall? I would love him at town. We need a combative, athletic midfielders, one who gets around the pitch, CAN PASS, can tackle etc etc.... There has to be someone out there who'd compliment with the likes of Arfield, possibly Johnson/and/or Joey? I'd like Atkinson to be bled through this year, but starting off the year on loan, very much in the mould of Jack Hunt. Same. Think we need a more aggressive in your face type player who can press the opposition, track and be effective with the ball - big ask but there must be a few around. |
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Post by mukydaz on May 31, 2011 13:03:02 GMT 1
I believe if we had got into the championship,Kilbane would have joined us but i now think he will probably go to a championship team either on loan or sold by Hull.....
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Post by townfan on May 31, 2011 13:06:42 GMT 1
He's good on crosses. Is that nailed on? No - but he could work miracles in our midfield :udders: :udders: |
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Post by keepmoving on May 31, 2011 13:16:28 GMT 1
I'd be happy starting the season with Johnson (assuming he's fit), Arfield, Gudjonsson and Atkinson This. Atkinson now needs to be given his chance. |
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Post by Detective Boyle on May 31, 2011 13:17:56 GMT 1
I believe if we had got into the championship,Kilbane would have joined us but i now think he will probably go to a championship team either on loan or sold by Hull..... Didn't exactly pull up any trees in league 1, so i doubt he'd be good in the Championship.. |
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Post by bigtruck on May 31, 2011 13:19:18 GMT 1
Sunday was the first time KK looked his ages. Off the pace and poor distribution when it mattered. His wages will be big and therefore at 35 not worth it IMO. Defensive midfielders etc is not what we need. Johnson, Peltier, Joey & Kay can all do that job. We need some creativity. As much as he's a diving git, Boyd was at the hub of everything Peterborough did. We don't have that reliable go to player. If we get the midfield right we can then play 2 up front at home and away and take games to teams next year...
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Post by rantinray on May 31, 2011 13:22:08 GMT 1
I think his decision making is poor, he rushes on the ball too much and plays a near impossible Hollywood ball way too much. One of the reasons we brought him in was for experience, and he hasn't showed a lot of that. But thats just my opinion, of course Also mine. He has had some good games for us there is no doubt. The semi and final were I thought his worst performances. I dont know how true this is but I believe we pay half of his £22,000 wage. I would like to see someone with younger quicker legs. |
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on May 31, 2011 13:23:39 GMT 1
Think we have seen the last of KK.
DJ will sign if fit tho.
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Post by AndySk on May 31, 2011 13:24:51 GMT 1
Def would like Johnson. Not KK though. If we have Johnson as the defensive midfielder we can play with a much more attacking midfielder alongside him (someone who can pop up with a fair few goals), don't think KK fits this bill. Plus i just don't think he's very good either
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Post by Detective Boyle on May 31, 2011 13:29:33 GMT 1
Def would like Johnson. Not KK though. If we have Johnson as the defensive midfielder we can play with a much more attacking midfielder alongside him (someone who can pop up with a fair few goals), don't think KK fits this bill. Plus i just don't think he's very good either Yeah, Johnson was influential before he was injured and with a young,attacking midfielder they would compliment each other perfectly. |
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