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Post by impact on Jan 5, 2012 13:23:42 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2012 13:28:28 GMT 1
Can we buy the ground and move it to Brighouse.
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Jan 5, 2012 13:30:33 GMT 1
A real shame for them, and football, and shame ON the greedy league.
I wonder how many Darlo fans now wish they hadn't forced out the safe breaking chairman they once had.
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Post by DannyG on Jan 5, 2012 13:33:41 GMT 1
First time? They were in admin under Reynolds, weren't they? And again sometime later, too?
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Post by aidenuk on Jan 5, 2012 13:39:26 GMT 1
Not good, unlucky! I remember when we were in admin but that said, not overly arsed about them, i just want promotion out of this shit league.
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Post by Marshleeds on Jan 5, 2012 13:40:13 GMT 1
Seen news of this the other day, very very sad to see any team go under especially a Northern Team not that far away.
Seems like they gambled on a big 25,000 Stadium but the team went the opposite way and they were lucky to attract 2,000. Agree with Berty shame on the Greedy League when on a recent thread we were talking about Alan Smith clicking his heels at Newcastle for £60k per week, and teams like Darlo and Chester are going to the wall owing relatively small sums of money.
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Post by DannyG on Jan 5, 2012 14:02:21 GMT 1
Yes, shame on the greedy league. Apart from when players from the greedy league turned out in a benefit match to save Darlington the first time they got into trouble this century and raised enough money to help them out. And shame on all those with a Sky subscription who help fund the greedy league. For shame. Shame and blame.
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Post by impact on Jan 5, 2012 14:29:30 GMT 1
First time? They were in admin under Reynolds, weren't they? And again sometime later, too? Sorry meant third.
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Post by griffa on Jan 5, 2012 14:32:22 GMT 1
Ironically they have struggled since moving to their new stadium - good luck them, looks like they are going to need it.
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Jan 5, 2012 14:35:47 GMT 1
People don't subscribe to sky to plough money into the greedy league though. They subscribe to get a wider choice of tv programmes to watch. I have sky sports and rarely watch the greedy league.
The money that trickles drown to the football league is poor, and they even held that to ransom so they could pinch the best young kids for less money. I'm a very placied kind of bloke but those bastards really do get my goat.
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Post by DannyG on Jan 5, 2012 14:41:47 GMT 1
People don't subscribe to sky to plough money into the greedy league though. They subscribe to get a wider choice of tv programmes to watch. I have sky sports and rarely watch the greedy league. The money that trickles drown to the football league is poor, and they even held that to ransom so they could pinch the best young kids for less money. I'm a very placied kind of bloke but those bastards really do get my goat. But if you're so morally offended then why not do something to make a difference? What about the tv actors who you're helping to pay the wages of with that Sky subscription? I'll bet there are plenty of struggling actors who can't find work right now. If one of them bought a massive house using loans and thought they'd pay it back by getting tv work they weren't good enough for, would you blame the tv industry for their debts? Or would you say they're responsible for their own actions in some way instead of laying the blame at somebody else's door? Clubs have been dropping out of the league and going bankrupt long before the 'greedy league' came along. Who did they blame?
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Post by skiptonterrier on Jan 5, 2012 14:44:39 GMT 1
3rd time in 9 years obviously major problems and hate to see clubs going to the wall some come back ie Aldershot, Newport, Halifax others never to be seen again
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Jan 5, 2012 14:51:59 GMT 1
People don't subscribe to sky to plough money into the greedy league though. They subscribe to get a wider choice of tv programmes to watch. I have sky sports and rarely watch the greedy league. The money that trickles drown to the football league is poor, and they even held that to ransom so they could pinch the best young kids for less money. I'm a very placied kind of bloke but those bastards really do get my goat. But if you're so morally offended then why not do something to make a difference? What about the tv actors who you're helping to pay the wages of with that Sky subscription? I'll bet there are plenty of struggling actors who can't find work right now. If one of them bought a massive house using loans and thought they'd pay it back by getting tv work they weren't good enough for, would you blame the tv industry for their debts? Or would you say they're responsible for their own actions in some way instead of laying the blame at somebody else's door? Clubs have been dropping out of the league and going bankrupt long before the 'greedy league' came along. Who did they blame? If sky didn't pump money into the greedy league, that wouldn't help the football league. It is the greedy league not cascading money to help the football league that is the problem. I'm not sure that sky not paying actors would help those struggling for work either. If sky didn't exist, there'd just be less work for all actors.
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Post by DannyG on Jan 5, 2012 14:54:29 GMT 1
I don't get any pleasure from seeing clubs go under, but it's no good playing the 'blame game'.
I have a Sky mobile subscription so I can watch Soccer Saturday on the go and will probably watch the Town match tomorrow. Watching any live tv football other than Town or a cup game holds no interest whatsoever to me. But I really can't understand why people who have Sky subscriptions then complain about the state of the game when they're part of the problem however indirectly. Not watching the 'greedy league' doesn't cut it, IMO. If you're helping to fund it, then don't get upset with the results unless you're prepared to make a stand.
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Post by AndySk on Jan 5, 2012 15:05:21 GMT 1
Maybe if they ran the club properly and made sure their outgoings weren't more than their incomings
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Jan 5, 2012 15:10:34 GMT 1
I don't get any pleasure from seeing clubs go under, but it's no good playing the 'blame game'. I have a Sky mobile subscription so I can watch Soccer Saturday on the go and will probably watch the Town match tomorrow. Watching any live tv football other than Town or a cup game holds no interest whatsoever to me. But I really can't understand why people who have Sky subscriptions then complain about the state of the game when they're part of the problem however indirectly. Not watching the 'greedy league' doesn't cut it, IMO. If you're helping to fund it, then don't get upset with the results unless you're prepared to make a stand. As I said, I have no objection with Sky pumping money into anything, be it football, other sports, tv programmes etc etc. What I hate is greedy clubs not helping the lower leagues more. There are even some chairmen who would close shop so lower teams can't get into their gravy train. I really hope Bolton get relegated this season, as it was their chairman who first muted doing away with promotion/relegation. Lets see if he feels the same way then.
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Post by shawsie on Jan 5, 2012 15:15:47 GMT 1
I agree with what you are saying danny - the problem is though that the terrestrial channels have no interest whatsoever in the football leagues and when the bbc pull the FLS there will be no highlights of anything other than the prem and the live championship games - this despite the bbc being a public body which is supposed to cater for the general public. There must be as many if not more attend FL games each weekend as there are greedy league but its certainly not reflected in bbc coverage thats for sure!!! Sky have massively improved the coverage of sport on tv.....................but done untold damage to the fabric of football where the likes of scarboro and darlo go bust for sums less than John Terry earns in a month! It does however sadly reflect society in general.
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Post by stevvy on Jan 5, 2012 15:16:25 GMT 1
So basically this is now not about Darlington potentially going under, it's about someone saying "you pay for Sky so don't complain, you're partly to blame for this."
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jan 5, 2012 15:17:17 GMT 1
I don't get any pleasure from seeing clubs go under, but it's no good playing the 'blame game'. I have a Sky mobile subscription so I can watch Soccer Saturday on the go and will probably watch the Town match tomorrow. Watching any live tv football other than Town or a cup game holds no interest whatsoever to me. But I really can't understand why people who have Sky subscriptions then complain about the state of the game when they're part of the problem however indirectly. Not watching the 'greedy league' doesn't cut it, IMO. If you're helping to fund it, then don't get upset with the results unless you're prepared to make a stand. I admit to having a bee in my bonnet about Sky but it is a wider issue for me. The amount of money pumped into football from Sky, and sponsorship and other sources, means we end up with players, across all leagues, disproportionally paid compared to the people who pay to watch them from the terraces. When the TV deal floundered for the Championship a few years back many clubs struggled, including Town, and it was because of their outgoings, which had been ramped up by the money flowing in. Average players on stupid wages and clubs had to pay them out to retain league status. I know managing the club sensibly is a responsibility but if you cannot compete with other clubs on wages you are unlikely to progress very far, certainly in the top two divisions. The knock on is still being felt, hence things like parachute payments because it costs so much to exist in the 'greedy league'. The whole business of football is quite surreal now and possibly why fans feel less connected and are quicker to round on underachieving players/managers/owners. I know rose coloured specs are pretty blurry but the structure does feel pretty crap now.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jan 5, 2012 15:19:19 GMT 1
I don't get any pleasure from seeing clubs go under, but it's no good playing the 'blame game'. I have a Sky mobile subscription so I can watch Soccer Saturday on the go and will probably watch the Town match tomorrow. Watching any live tv football other than Town or a cup game holds no interest whatsoever to me. But I really can't understand why people who have Sky subscriptions then complain about the state of the game when they're part of the problem however indirectly. Not watching the 'greedy league' doesn't cut it, IMO. If you're helping to fund it, then don't get upset with the results unless you're prepared to make a stand. As I said, I have no objection with Sky pumping money into anything, be it football, other sports, tv programmes etc etc. What I hate is greedy clubs not helping the lower leagues more. There are even some chairmen who would close shop so lower teams can't get into their gravy train. I really hope Bolton get relegated this season, as it was their chairman who first muted doing away with promotion/relegation. Lets see if he feels the same way then. I thought Liverpool muted it and Bolton shot them down? Or have I got that the wrong way around?
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Post by DannyG on Jan 5, 2012 15:23:32 GMT 1
There but for the departure of Rubery's millions and Ian Ayre go ourselves
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Jan 5, 2012 15:24:30 GMT 1
As I said, I have no objection with Sky pumping money into anything, be it football, other sports, tv programmes etc etc. What I hate is greedy clubs not helping the lower leagues more. There are even some chairmen who would close shop so lower teams can't get into their gravy train. I really hope Bolton get relegated this season, as it was their chairman who first muted doing away with promotion/relegation. Lets see if he feels the same way then. I thought Liverpool muted it and Bolton shot them down? Or have I got that the wrong way around? Ian Ayre was supposedly to have muted it recently, yes, but it was the Bolton chairman (Phil Garside, or something like that) that brought it up two or three years ago.
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Post by DannyG on Jan 5, 2012 15:24:52 GMT 1
So basically this is now not about Darlington potentially going under, it's about someone saying "you pay for Sky so don't complain, you're partly to blame for this." No Stevvy. This is about people blaming Sky/Premier League for Darlington's demise. I don't blame them. I blame people at the boardroom level of Darlington. And the people I blame for so much money in the game is the people funding Sky.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2012 15:26:08 GMT 1
As I said, I have no objection with Sky pumping money into anything, be it football, other sports, tv programmes etc etc. What I hate is greedy clubs not helping the lower leagues more. There are even some chairmen who would close shop so lower teams can't get into their gravy train. I really hope Bolton get relegated this season, as it was their chairman who first muted doing away with promotion/relegation. Lets see if he feels the same way then. I thought Liverpool muted it and Bolton shot them down? Or have I got that the wrong way around? It was definitely Bolton's chairman Phil Gartside who proposed scrapping promotion/relegation and have a Premier League 1/Premier League 2.
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Post by DannyG on Jan 5, 2012 15:27:16 GMT 1
I agree with what you are saying danny - the problem is though that the terrestrial channels have no interest whatsoever in the football leagues and when the bbc pull the FLS there will be no highlights of anything other than the prem and the live championship games - this despite the bbc being a public body which is supposed to cater for the general public. There must be as many if not more attend FL games each weekend as there are greedy league but its certainly not reflected in bbc coverage thats for sure!!! Sky have massively improved the coverage of sport on tv.....................but done untold damage to the fabric of football where the likes of scarboro and darlo go bust for sums less than John Terry earns in a month! It does however sadly reflect society in general. I agree. It's human nature that people are getting upset with on some level, ie the look after #1 attitude. That's unlikely to ever change.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jan 5, 2012 15:27:51 GMT 1
I thought Liverpool muted it and Bolton shot them down? Or have I got that the wrong way around? Ian Ayre was supposedly to have muted it recently, yes, but it was the Bolton chairman (Phil Garside, or something like that) that brought it up two or three years ago. Sorry, yes it was Dave Whelan at Wigan I was thinking of.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jan 5, 2012 15:33:23 GMT 1
I agree with what you are saying danny - the problem is though that the terrestrial channels have no interest whatsoever in the football leagues and when the bbc pull the FLS there will be no highlights of anything other than the prem and the live championship games - this despite the bbc being a public body which is supposed to cater for the general public. There must be as many if not more attend FL games each weekend as there are greedy league but its certainly not reflected in bbc coverage thats for sure!!! Sky have massively improved the coverage of sport on tv.....................but done untold damage to the fabric of football where the likes of scarboro and darlo go bust for sums less than John Terry earns in a month! It does however sadly reflect society in general. I agree. It's human nature that people are getting upset with on some level, ie the look after #1 attitude. That's unlikely to ever change. Maybe without the football on tele more would turn out to watch games. I think it has been a factor in less people watching 'live' football. Which is a shame. I know the quality is not the same but a good live game gives you a lot a TV one can't (Weak beer and scalding hot pies to name just two!)
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Post by wezzahtfc on Jan 5, 2012 15:33:37 GMT 1
Aren't Darlington's problems far more to do with Reynolds building them a new 25,000 seater stadium, when they get crowds of about 3,000 at best, rather than the lack of money in the lower leagues compared to Premiership though? Hope it's not the end for them, though sadly it looks as though it might be..
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Post by stevvy on Jan 5, 2012 15:38:20 GMT 1
So basically this is now not about Darlington potentially going under, it's about someone saying "you pay for Sky so don't complain, you're partly to blame for this." No Stevvy. This is about people blaming Sky/Premier League for Darlington's demise. I don't blame them. I blame people at the boardroom level of Darlington. And the people I blame for so much money in the game is the people funding Sky. To come out and say "shame on everyone who has Sky" is an overreaction. You're tarring everyone with the same brush, and basically trying to make them feel bad about it and say that if it bothers them that much they should make a stand (that's how I interpret your comment anyway). It almost seems like you're trying to claim some sort of moral high ground, along the lines of "I don't pay for Sky, so I'm not to blame and so I feel no shame in helping fund the wages of the PL players" etc.
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Post by DannyG on Jan 5, 2012 15:40:30 GMT 1
To come out and say "shame on everyone who has Sky" is an overreaction. You're tarring everyone with the same brush Cool your logic circuits, Stevvy. I was being sarcastic. I. DO. NOT. BLAME. SKY.
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