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Mike dean
May 8, 2016 21:19:08 GMT 1
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Post by softboy on May 8, 2016 21:19:08 GMT 1
just watched championship highlights - he gives a yellow card to Brighton guy - boro guy puts his sock down and says to ref - look at my leg - so changes his mind and send the guy off
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Post by hypotenuse on May 8, 2016 21:26:54 GMT 1
It was a very tough call but I think he probably got it right. Plus Stephens got away with a shocker on Hamill which totally changed our season 2/3 years back so 'what goes round comes around'
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Post by terrier70 on May 9, 2016 8:06:26 GMT 1
I think a red was the correct decision, believe it was the linesman who advised him to give red
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 9:22:37 GMT 1
at last a Ref gets something spot on. How anyone can question him giving a red is beyond me. Fair play to him.
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Post by htfcfcfc on May 9, 2016 10:34:12 GMT 1
Have to say I though it was harsh. For me Ramirez swung his leg into his studs. His studs originally weren't directed at Ramirezs legs. I think he was also swung by the little scuffle between the 2 a few seconds earlier
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Post by workshyfop on May 9, 2016 11:05:19 GMT 1
I think I must be missing something here. Stephens won the ball didn't he? Ok, he's caught him afterwards on the shin (the lad needs to invest in a pair of pads, John Terry never leaves home without his), so you could argue possibly for a yellow. Dean was about to give a yellow, until the injured player knocked it out of his hand and pointed at his leg. Harsh decision in my opinion (although I'm not arguing that Stephens isn't horrible).
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Post by terrierstalk on May 9, 2016 11:10:31 GMT 1
Very harsh decision in my eyes. Stephens took the ball and Ramirez kicked him. Nasty wound all the same
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Post by impact on May 9, 2016 11:31:52 GMT 1
As I said on the other thread, Mike Dean reacted to the injury on Ramirez. He was giving a yellow until he saw that.
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Post by mids on May 9, 2016 11:48:33 GMT 1
at last a Ref gets something spot on. How anyone can question him giving a red is beyond me. Fair play to him. I can. Where do you want to start? Stephens won the ball. His foot, and that of Ramirez, was off the floor but not excessively in relation to the ball. Ramirez's leg swung into Stephens as his foot descended. There was no intent, or excessive force. If Ramirez had worn proper shin pads there wouldn't have been any problem whatsoever. Dean was influenced by the gash on Ramirez's leg (which was pretty nasty) but Stephens was very unlucky in my opinion. There's plent worse challenges than that go wholly unpunished in most competitive football matches.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 12:12:19 GMT 1
at last a Ref gets something spot on. How anyone can question him giving a red is beyond me. Fair play to him. I can. Where do you want to start? Stephens won the ball. His foot, and that of Ramirez, was off the floor but not excessively in relation to the ball. Ramirez's leg swung into Stephens as his foot descended. There was no intent, or excessive force. If Ramirez had worn proper shin pads there wouldn't have been any problem whatsoever. Dean was influenced by the gash on Ramirez's leg (which was pretty nasty) but Stephens was very unlucky in my opinion. There's plent worse challenges than that go wholly unpunished in most competitive football matches. I dunno. When you raise your foot with studs showing you're asking for trouble. Look at Billings sending off earlier this season, and then there was no injury like that one. He raised his foot. He got sent off.
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Post by mids on May 9, 2016 12:20:47 GMT 1
I can. Where do you want to start? Stephens won the ball. His foot, and that of Ramirez, was off the floor but not excessively in relation to the ball. Ramirez's leg swung into Stephens as his foot descended. There was no intent, or excessive force. If Ramirez had worn proper shin pads there wouldn't have been any problem whatsoever. Dean was influenced by the gash on Ramirez's leg (which was pretty nasty) but Stephens was very unlucky in my opinion. There's plent worse challenges than that go wholly unpunished in most competitive football matches. I dunno. When you raise your foot with studs showing you're asking for trouble. Look at Billings sending off earlier this season, and then there was no injury like that one. He raised his foot. He got sent off. That's all due to the vagueries of interpretting the laws. If players are sent off for merely raising their foot in a football match then it'd soon be like a six-a-side game. We all know when there's intent to hurt someone. There wasn't here. Stephens was unlucky and Dean's weak will could ultimately cost Brighton the promotion their form over the season may have earned.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 9, 2016 12:20:54 GMT 1
Its impossible to kick a ball without your studs being raised to some extent. That wasn't even a foul IMO. He won the ball , it wasn't reckless. Ok the lad got injured but thats football- its a contact sport. the main thing that will turn people off the game in this country is when they referee contact out of the game like they are trying to do abroad. Platini's dream of getting possession by intercepting a pass, not tackling anyone. No one wants that surely.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 12:34:09 GMT 1
I dunno. When you raise your foot with studs showing you're asking for trouble. Look at Billings sending off earlier this season, and then there was no injury like that one. He raised his foot. He got sent off. That's all due to the vagueries of interpretting the laws. If players are sent off for merely raising their foot in a football match then it'd soon be like a six-a-side game. We all know when there's intent to hurt someone. There wasn't here. Stephens was unlucky and Dean's weak will could ultimately cost Brighton the promotion their form over the season may have earned. but didn't he ask for a second opinion? Now granted he could have ignored it, but chose to act on it. Do we blame the other official for saying it was dangerous? How many times have town been done by dodgy refs? All part of the game. Doesn't make it right but there you go.
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Post by H7 on May 9, 2016 12:36:49 GMT 1
The ball was there to be won, Stephens won the ball fairly, Ramirez leg swings into his studs after the ball has gone. Very harsh decision.
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Post by Tinpot on May 9, 2016 13:12:23 GMT 1
The ball was there to be won, Stephens won the ball I agree - but he had his studs showing. Whether you like it or not, it's not ok to smash a player so long as you win the ball first. "We all know when there's intent to hurt someone.". I've watched it a few times now & IMO there was intent to hurt Gaston Ramirez.
I admit part of my reaction comes from knowing the sort of person he is, and if it was somebody else I might have given him the benefit of the doubt. The number of times a manager will defend a player that's made a bad tackle saying "XXX is not that sort of player". Dale Stephens most certainly IS that sort of player.
To me it can be argued that it's reckless (yellow), or serious foul play (red). Anything else is impossible to justify imo.
Ramirez probably ought to invest in some proper shinpads though. The ones he had on reminded me of the ones your mum buys for you in primary school because they're cheaper than the ones you actually wanted.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 9, 2016 13:27:48 GMT 1
I see it totally different. I don't get how its possible to argue its either a red or even a yellow.
the ball was there to be won. He got the ball, It wasn't 2 footed, it wasn't recklessly high. When he went for the ball the Boro players leg wasn't in the way. It was only after hed won the ball cleanly that his leg appeared on the scene- more shinning his boot than the other way round. 20 years ago that sort of tackle got a big round of applause and a compliment from the commentator- now its a 3 game ban! Such a shame.
No doubt stephens is a cock- we all remember the hammill thing, but IMO on this he did nowt wrong and can consider himself desperately unlucky that the ref saw it how he did. he basically got a red because Ramirez doesn't wear decent shin pads.
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Post by Tinpot on May 9, 2016 20:22:57 GMT 1
Wasn't 2 footed but it was clear that was the direction Gaston was going in that his leg would be in the way by the time DS got there. Studs did not need to be showing like that though.
I agree that the state of GR's shin (exacerbated by the fat he wore crap shinpads) played a role in the decision to award a red instead of a yellow & in that sense I do have some sympathy with DS (or at least I would have if it had been somebody else!), but it was at least a yellow. The ball was there to be won, but the studs did not need to be raised like that at all.
"he basically got a red because Ramirez doesn't wear decent shin pads."
If Ramirez wore decent shin pads he was going to get a yellow. The tackle was worthy of that at least, and arguably more.
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