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Post by Morning Norwood on Jul 22, 2016 13:46:39 GMT 1
In his Town career (4 years) he's scored 9 goals and provided less than 15 assists. Don't get the hype - all he can do is run with the ball, no end product whatsoever. How many times has he contributed to an assist? Much less than he's run into the corner flag
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 22, 2016 13:53:06 GMT 1
I thought the full backs were supposed to provide the attacking width in this system anyway? I think Lolley, Bunn, Scannell, Payne, Dempsey and VLP are going to struggle to get into our best 11. Mooy, Palmer, Billing, Big Ivan, Whitehead and Hogg may be a more solid midfield. We have 12 midfielders/wide men for 5 spots in the starting 11. 4 central midfielders on the pitch together just wouldn't work at all, would go back to the days of Powell playing Butterfield on the left of midfield and leaving us lop sided and vulnerable down that side. Wasn't suggesting 4 central midfielders. More like 5 - seems to work for Germany They play Kraus and Khadira behind Drexler, Ozil and Muller. Those last three aren't really central midfielders - but they are not wide men either! You could read Palmer, Payne and Kachunga in a similar set up!
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Post by wtd on Jul 22, 2016 13:55:57 GMT 1
Inconsistent wingers is a problem for just about every team in the world since football started and we have our fair share of them but two from Lolley,VLP,Scannell and Bunn with Palmer as a fifth option is pretty good in my opinion and 80% of the teams in this league would like the same problem as Wagner will have. It looks to me as Scannell has bought into Wagners ethos and has matured enough to realise he needs to get his arse into gear if his career isn't to be one of unfulfilled potential......i see him having a big season for us.....Lolley could make a big impact too if he gets rid of his usual niggles. Plus... the competition for places ought to keep them all on their toes. Could be very exciting. Opposition teams won't be able to second guess who they will be facing, either.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 22, 2016 13:58:40 GMT 1
Too much writing off of VLP for my liking. He's only been here five minutes. He may be a little inconsistent, but that's the nature of the beast with such players. We saw against Hull that he's capable of great things. He may come and go in games but it's all about those few moments where he can do real damage. He cost 700k not £7m. Enjoy what he can do instead of berating him for what he can't. I'm not even sure these type of players are necessarily more inconsistent, it's just more obvious than say for a holding midfielder who always does less to catch the eye and may never be expected to try the harder things to pull off (sounding a bit Wagner/table there). Many fans are less patient than the odd trigger happy chairman and some also look to validate their view having formed it, almost as if to be able to celebrate their judgement! A definite let's see. A lot of times they just look inconsistent as a function of their wide position. If the ball is not going down their side of the pitch for long periods then by definition they are not in the game! Its difficult for them to change the game or get on the ball. Then when the ball does eventually go up their side of the pitch - they have forgot what to do or make an anxious faff.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jul 22, 2016 14:09:07 GMT 1
Carl Hughes you have an unhealthy man crush on Sean Scannell.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 14:16:53 GMT 1
How many times has he contributed to an assist? Much less than he's run into the corner flag Surely you're confusing him with Vaughan.
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Post by AndySk on Jul 22, 2016 15:57:14 GMT 1
Not sure we're gonna play with out and out wingers, prob see the 3 behind the striker swap around during the game, mix things up a bit. With regards to Bunn i think he's done a good job for us,if he's gonna be regarded as one of our worse players we'll have a very good squad. He wont be tho. Thatll be RVLP. Yeah thats right WTD i dont think he's gonna be very good you wanna make summat of it?! (just my opinion like tho i am right 95%+ of the time) One narrow win in the prediction league, years and years and years ago (not that I remember it or owt), and you're Gary Neville all of a sudden. You've changed. I forgot all about the prediction league win (and what a win it was). And there I was basing my 95% success rate on nothing at all. Thanks for having my back and giving me a reason to believe my own bullshit
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 22, 2016 16:12:31 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 18:21:59 GMT 1
Palmer, Payne, VLP brought in and you don't think it's been addressed? You have to give these lads a chance. I dont see plamer and payne playing wide.... VLP so far is a questionable acquisition, but im happy to be proved wrong. But we don't play with "wide" players we play with a fluid 3 behind a main striker
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 22, 2016 18:44:09 GMT 1
I dont see plamer and payne playing wide.... VLP so far is a questionable acquisition, but im happy to be proved wrong. But we don't play with "wide" players we play with a fluid 3 behind a main striker Think that perception is part of the problem - we want it both ways!
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Post by specialun on Jul 23, 2016 8:42:06 GMT 1
Scannell? Excellent for 6 months of his town career, disappointing the rest. On his day ... agreed but when was the last time he had a day?
Lolley's development has been superb from where he was this time last year - long way to go (strength, right foot so not as obvious (signs of that v Liverpool), decision making) but he's clearly the most potential and imo Wagner's first choice
Don't forget he had hardly started a match before wagner arrived and shipped out to Scunthorpe by the negative one
Lolley and VLP are first choice for Wagner - Imo
We saw the first XI v Liverpool first half bar absentees and one of the centre backs imo
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Post by specialun on Jul 23, 2016 8:43:20 GMT 1
Harsh but largely fair.... But he dances and has dreadlocks otium so he's liked
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Post by saintlyterrier on Jul 23, 2016 15:43:00 GMT 1
I thought he wasn't bad the other night v Liverpool.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 16:06:55 GMT 1
I thought he wasn't bad the other night v Liverpool. Agenda? The number of times Otium has made it plain he doesn't like him are numerous. Not a problem as he has the right to his opinion, does get a bit tiresome though.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jul 23, 2016 16:30:31 GMT 1
RVLP Scannell Bunn Lolley
Joe needs to produce this year or I think it's curtains for him. He needs to be more than a one-trick pony who cuts in from the right and shoots. That's all he's got and he isn't good enough at it.
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Jul 23, 2016 16:37:13 GMT 1
RVLP Scannell Bunn Lolley Joe needs to produce this year or I think it's curtains for him. He needs to be more than a one-trick pony who cuts in from the right and shoots. That's all he's got and he isn't good enough at it. Amen. Yet some would have you believe he was POTY last season ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 17:45:36 GMT 1
RVLP Scannell Bunn Lolley Joe needs to produce this year or I think it's curtains for him. He needs to be more than a one-trick pony who cuts in from the right and shoots. That's all he's got and he isn't good enough at it. I'm pretty certain this is being worked on. Against Liverpool he put in a particularly good effort with his right foot that the keeper pushed round the post...
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Post by SaudiTerrier on Jul 23, 2016 18:19:38 GMT 1
Scannell? Excellent for 6 months of his town career, disappointing the rest. On his day ... agreed but when was the last time he had a day? Lolley's development has been superb from where he was this time last year - long way to go (strength, right foot so not as obvious (signs of that v Liverpool), decision making) but he's clearly the most potential and imo Wagner's first choice Don't forget he had hardly started a match before wagner arrived and shipped out to Scunthorpe by the negative one Lolley and VLP are first choice for Wagner - Imo We saw the first XI v Liverpool first half bar absentees and one of the centre backs imoYou think so? I'm unsure on the midfield. Possible that Palmer will end up starting the #10 role. But the most uncertain is the midfield imo. Billing/Paurevic to start ahead of Hogg I think for their height and passing ability which Hogg does not have. Although he does have the engine which is just as much as part of Wagner's plans. I guess the midfield line up will depend a lot on who we're playing as well as rotation/fitness.
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Post by Morning Norwood on Jul 23, 2016 18:21:51 GMT 1
People always talk about Scannell on his day being good! When do these days happen though? To be honest I'm a purist. I'm fine if Town play good football even if they lose, and quite often, unless it's against Leeds or we are desperate for points, the result is a bit incidental. I go to be entertained and Scannell is one of those players who gets me out of my seat even though he's a bit of an enigma. But I would pay a lot more than I am doing next season to watch Scannell pick up the ball on the half way line and shrug off defenders as though he's playing British bulldogs. The end product might not equal the skill that he undoubtedly possesses, but just to see goals like the one against Leicester in the FA Cup and Wolves a couple of seasons ago is one of the reasons I watch football. This is fair quote, but folk this he's some world beater, when reality is he's quite poor in a regular basis! I love to be entertained, so scanz please entertain me more regularly
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 18:48:21 GMT 1
To be honest I'm a purist. I'm fine if Town play good football even if they lose, and quite often, unless it's against Leeds or we are desperate for points, the result is a bit incidental. I go to be entertained and Scannell is one of those players who gets me out of my seat even though he's a bit of an enigma. But I would pay a lot more than I am doing next season to watch Scannell pick up the ball on the half way line and shrug off defenders as though he's playing British bulldogs. The end product might not equal the skill that he undoubtedly possesses, but just to see goals like the one against Leicester in the FA Cup and Wolves a couple of seasons ago is one of the reasons I watch football. This is fair quote, but folk this he's some world beater, when reality is he's quite poor in a regular basis! I love to be entertained, so scanz please entertain me more regularly I have yet to see anyone claim Scannell is a 'world beater'? I'm certainly not claiming he is. The truth is he does entertain but probably not (as yet) as consistent as we would like. I am looking forward this season to see if Wagner can finally bring that out of him. I just get a bit annoyed when he is labelled useless which is as far an exaggeration as 'world beater'.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 23, 2016 18:50:13 GMT 1
RVLP Scannell Bunn Lolley Joe needs to produce this year or I think it's curtains for him. He needs to be more than a one-trick pony who cuts in from the right and shoots. That's all he's got and he isn't good enough at it. I'd certainly take Lolley over Scannell and Bunn Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 18:53:12 GMT 1
RVLP Scannell Bunn Lolley Joe needs to produce this year or I think it's curtains for him. He needs to be more than a one-trick pony who cuts in from the right and shoots. That's all he's got and he isn't good enough at it. Agree that he needs to kick on but I was quite impressed with some of his link up play when more central last season, he seemed quite good at receiving the ball on the half turn and getting us on the front foot. If anything I think we need to see more of him cutting in and shooting, obviously with the ball ending up in the back of the net.
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Post by Morning Norwood on Jul 24, 2016 21:06:03 GMT 1
This is fair quote, but folk this he's some world beater, when reality is he's quite poor in a regular basis! I love to be entertained, so scanz please entertain me more regularly I have yet to see anyone claim Scannell is a 'world beater'? I'm certainly not claiming he is. The truth is he does entertain but probably not (as yet) as consistent as we would like. I am looking forward this season to see if Wagner can finally bring that out of him. I just get a bit annoyed when he is labelled useless which is as far an exaggeration as 'world beater'. Useless would be harsh! Making limited use of his limited ability is much more apt
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 24, 2016 21:37:56 GMT 1
I said the other night we look more threatening when Scannell plays, we carried a bit more threat in the second half with Scannell, we need more consistency out of him though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 21:43:30 GMT 1
I have yet to see anyone claim Scannell is a 'world beater'? I'm certainly not claiming he is. The truth is he does entertain but probably not (as yet) as consistent as we would like. I am looking forward this season to see if Wagner can finally bring that out of him. I just get a bit annoyed when he is labelled useless which is as far an exaggeration as 'world beater'. Useless would be harsh! Making limited use of his limited ability is much more apt Seems a pretty damn good description of useless to me.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 24, 2016 21:46:34 GMT 1
Useless would be harsh! Making limited use of his limited ability is much more apt Seems a pretty damn good description of useless to me. There's valid criticisms, but that's just ridiculous.
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Post by Metch on Jul 24, 2016 21:59:01 GMT 1
I would always pick Bunn due to his scoring and assist record over lolley and vlp. But this year we are going to pose greater threats from other areas too. Wagners recruitment will see more goals from free kicks and corners, penalties and from the defensive midfielders aswell, he has addressed almost all of our weaknesses, clever bloke.
It may take a few games to gel but expect a few goal fests when we get going.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 24, 2016 22:09:40 GMT 1
I would always pick Bunn due to his scoring and assist record over lolley and vlp. But this year we are going to pose greater threats from other areas too. Wagners recruitment will see more goals from free kicks and corners, penalties and from the defensive midfielders aswell, he has addressed almost all of our weaknesses, clever bloke. It may take a few games to gel but expect a few goal fests when we get going. Last year we had limited ways of scoring. We hard to work hard for virtually all our goals, whilst we conceded many cheap ones. Hopefully the added height and quality, will change this, whilst allowing us still to play in the same manner.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 24, 2016 22:11:20 GMT 1
It's a big season for all our wingers.. All have shown they can produce in spells, but we're looking for consistency this season to help push us up the league.. We also have Palmer & Kachunga who can play out wide if performances dip.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 24, 2016 22:44:11 GMT 1
I said the other night we look more threatening when Scannell plays, we carried a bit more threat in the second half with Scannell, we need more consistency out of him though. ...by definition wingers/wide men are inconsistent - especially when the ball is on the other side of the pitch. Mhahrez and Payet often disappear for example...they are consistently good when it comes down their side though!
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