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Post by York Terrier on Oct 29, 2016 18:35:20 GMT 1
Hard to find a single positive from today I left at 0-4 and I he 5th went in before I hot to the Fulham end,below is a quick summary ( note the reaccuring theme)
1st goal cross in from outside the box on our right,defender from Fulham all alone at our back post heads it down and their number 25 all alone to knock it back across goal into net.
2nd goal cross from our right attacker at back post all alone with time to bring it down and volley past Ward
3rd Goal Cross from our right man all alone at back post heads down and in ( ward perhaps should have saved ?)
4th Goal Torn to bits down our left foul in box penalty me walking back to the car at Hammersmith.
Dont really want to pick anyone out as the entire team was pants but Bunn offered no help down the left and Fulham were much quicker, stronger closed us down well and could have had a few more.
Expect a lot of comments far stronger than this tonight.
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Post by sapphireblue on Oct 29, 2016 18:38:55 GMT 1
I can pick two out. Schindler and Lowe were disgraceful.
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Post by Sio on Oct 29, 2016 18:48:05 GMT 1
All I want to know is, did you sit down or stand up?
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Post by York Terrier on Oct 29, 2016 18:49:54 GMT 1
I can pick two out. Schindler and Lowe were disgraceful. Not positives Lowe had Bunn helping him ( or not as the case was) he is a league one player at best,and I agree about Lowe and Schindler but there was another 9 just as bad |
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Post by York Terrier on Oct 29, 2016 18:51:44 GMT 1
All I want to know is, did you sit down or stand up? Sat down row F seat 92 but that's irrelevant to a smart Arse who does not travel to the games and makes stupid comments |
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Post by Cole on Oct 29, 2016 19:02:24 GMT 1
All I want to know is, did you sit down or stand up? Sat down row F seat 92 but that's irrelevant to a smart Arse who does not travel to the games and makes stupid comments If you're gonna sit down all game in silence, leave after 60 mins, and complain like a bitch when town are 3rd in the league you'd be doing the town a favour if you didn't bother coming at all. |
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Post by York Terrier on Oct 29, 2016 19:58:58 GMT 1
Sat down row F seat 92 but that's irrelevant to a smart Arse who does not travel to the games and makes stupid comments If you're gonna sit down all game in silence, leave after 60 mins, and complain like a bitch when town are 3rd in the league you'd be doing the town a favour if you didn't bother coming at all. Who's bitching? just telling as it was, what's wrong with sitting down? Left early 0-4 down playing poorly perhaps I have a mind of my own unlike you |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2016 19:59:10 GMT 1
Sat down row F seat 92 but that's irrelevant to a smart Arse who does not travel to the games and makes stupid comments If you're gonna sit down all game in silence, leave after 60 mins, and complain like a bitch when town are 3rd in the league you'd be doing the town a favour if you didn't bother coming at all. To be fair, even down to the front (I was in row I, way down from the steps), we all stood up in the first half as everyone in front and behind was. Even in the second half, most of it was stood up and shouting for Town. |
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Post by Sio on Oct 29, 2016 20:03:33 GMT 1
All I want to know is, did you sit down or stand up? Sat down row F seat 92 but that's irrelevant to a smart Arse who does not travel to the games and makes stupid comments Who didn't go to the game? |
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Oct 29, 2016 20:30:16 GMT 1
I can pick two out. Schindler and Lowe were disgraceful. I have been saying for a while that those two have just been going through the motions. |
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Post by detox on Oct 29, 2016 20:42:33 GMT 1
Apart from our defensive blunders, I didn't think Wells did anything, and in midfield only Mooy looked good enough. We did have chances, Mooy missed a header on 45 mins which I thought was crucial. We had 4 or5 blocked shots and their keeper made some good saves.. It's just every time they attacked they looked like scoring
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Oct 29, 2016 20:49:53 GMT 1
I can pick two out. Schindler and Lowe were disgraceful. I have been saying for a while that those two have just been going through the motions. . Saying it to yourself ? You think Schindler is Poor ? Wow. |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Oct 29, 2016 20:58:37 GMT 1
Apart from our defensive blunders, I didn't think Wells did anything, and in midfield only Mooy looked good enough. We did have chances, Mooy missed a header on 45 mins which I thought was crucial. We had 4 or5 blocked shots and their keeper made some good saves.. It's just every time they attacked they looked like scoring That was Bunn, not Mooy |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Oct 29, 2016 20:59:31 GMT 1
I can pick two out. Schindler and Lowe were disgraceful. I have been saying for a while that those two have just been going through the motions.Sounds like motions was the operative word today |
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Post by York Terrier on Oct 29, 2016 21:06:03 GMT 1
To all those that went to the game did anyone take any positives out of the performance on the pitch? Yes the fans sang a lot and kept up the backing throughout but let's try to keep the comments to the players performance.
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Post by morleyterrier on Oct 29, 2016 21:10:54 GMT 1
To all those that went to the game did anyone take any positives out of the performance on the pitch? Yes the fans sang a lot and kept up the backing throughout but let's try to keep the comments to the players performance. Reading, in a word, 'no'. Still though, our Players have over achieved and given us a lot overall this season. Fulham could though have had 8 today, easily. We were torn a new one. No question. |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 29, 2016 21:15:25 GMT 1
Wonder if other teams are now catching up in terms of fitness. We clearly had an advantage early in the season coming off our pre-season. Not sure how long that lasts ..... any sports scientists out there? Expect DW will know the answer and if there is anything to be done about it? Assume Fulham outran us and out pressed us today?
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Oct 29, 2016 21:23:36 GMT 1
I've missed a lot of games recently for one reason or another.
The only game I've been to since Leeds away, are Preston away, and today.
I can't believe how shit our defence has become.
Really really poor.
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Post by detox on Oct 29, 2016 21:45:56 GMT 1
Apart from our defensive blunders, I didn't think Wells did anything, and in midfield only Mooy looked good enough. We did have chances, Mooy missed a header on 45 mins which I thought was crucial. We had 4 or5 blocked shots and their keeper made some good saves.. It's just every time they attacked they looked like scoring That was Bunn, not Mooy I should have gone to specsavers, in fact anywhere would have been better |
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Post by detox on Oct 29, 2016 21:49:21 GMT 1
To all those that went to the game did anyone take any positives out of the performance on the pitch? Yes the fans sang a lot and kept up the backing throughout but let's try to keep the comments to the players performance. Well we kept trying to play, we got stuck in and the players were clearly annoyed.. We had some good chances but blocks and deflections thwarted us..we didn't lose our shape or composure, apart from the shambolic defence |
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Post by robhtfc on Oct 29, 2016 22:26:26 GMT 1
To all those that went to the game did anyone take any positives out of the performance on the pitch? Yes the fans sang a lot and kept up the backing throughout but let's try to keep the comments to the players performance. I think if people want to comment on the awesome support that the fans gave today then they will do. They don't need your permission. |
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Post by softboy on Oct 29, 2016 23:28:49 GMT 1
the last time we played pressing football was leeds away ( i have said this before) since then we have played counter attscking which has not worked - don't really understand the complete change in styles of football
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Post by ben1987 on Oct 29, 2016 23:30:46 GMT 1
All I want to know is, did you sit down or stand up? Sat down row F seat 92 but that's irrelevant to a smart Arse who does not travel to the games and makes stupid comments 😂😂 |
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Post by tonytiler on Oct 30, 2016 0:21:45 GMT 1
So a shit day at the office,some players getting a bit of a hammering on here tonight and probably rightly so.Were do we go from here then??
As supporters we are entitled to a moan and a whinge from time to time,but we have no real control over who we think should or should not play.
To draw a line over the Preston and Fulham games we will have to trust the coach to make the changes needed,to get back on track for the next game.
Changes need to be made for sure and not just the odd one,it benefits players coming in,and players who get dropped.
A fresh approach in the coming weeks might just get us back on track,that's the reason for having a decent squad of players,so use them ffs.
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Post by mids on Oct 30, 2016 8:31:28 GMT 1
Sat down row F seat 92 but that's irrelevant to a smart Arse who does not travel to the games and makes stupid comments If you're gonna sit down all game in silence, leave after 60 mins, and complain like a bitch when town are 3rd in the league you'd be doing the town a favour if you didn't bother coming at all. Bit harsh that. Unless standing and singing is now a pre-requisite of being a 'proper' Town fan? |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Oct 30, 2016 9:21:23 GMT 1
Not so much 'harsh' as 'stupid beyond belief'. How people get the notion that they can tell others, who have spent their money to go to the game, exactly how they should support the team completely baffles me.
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Post by saintlyterrier on Oct 30, 2016 10:39:15 GMT 1
Let's make it clear that Town were beaten yesterday by a bigger (note), more composed and more determined team than Town, with a stand-out player in Tom Cairney, who bossed the midfield. They also had two "units" as centre backs and a tall and hard defensive midfielder, so that our small strikers barely ever won the ball from Ward's distribution, which was awful. They had speed on the wings that our dreadful full-backs couldn't cope with, and Chris Martin showed us how a fairly limited striker, but a canny one, can cause havoc by bulk and guile. This was no "if only" game, nor was the somewhat incompetant referee a serious factor. Though we could point to a couple of his errors that led to goals, he could - and possible - should have sent Dean Whitehead off.
While criticism on DATM has principally been levelled against the defence yesterday, it was the midfield that lost the game. Why was Cairney not heavily man-marked from the very start? Mooy was a little better in the second half, but was in a daze in the first. He was also lucky to escape the referee's yellow card. Whitehead was forced to do too much. One cannot fault his enthusiasm, but he did not seem to play with a plan in mind, other than to put his team-mates under pressure. Harry Bunn made a couple of decent runs, but you will all have previously read my comments that he does not merit a place in this team, except perhaps as a substitute.
A few crumbs of comfort? I thought Palmer showed industry and skill, with Kachunga not far behind. Wells is seeking to adapt his game to become a more useful all-round player. The question is, should he need to do so? Would not a Chris Martin-type player take the load off him, and allow him to "sniff", which is clearly his stock in trade? Finally, a positive word for Mark Hudson, who won some towering headers under pressure and made some good, clearing tackles. He was NOT the worst player on the side. That unfortunate accolade fell to Chris Loewe, followed by Smith, who had no confidence and forgets he can possibly go on the OUTSIDE of defenders.
I won't comment on the means of dealing with the short-term impacts, but rather consider the longer-term (January onwards) strategy:
- develop a Plan B that can change from the gegenpressing format if the opposition is better at it than Town, as Fulham were yesterday;
- use wingers on occasions, where the limitations of the opposition allow;
- bring in a mobile and canny (see above) striker, but one who can put himself about a bit and win the ball in the air;
- get the goalkeeper to think about distribution, and to vary it somewhat to adapt to the opposition's strength and weaknesses. That was my main issue with Ward yesterday, not his ability to come for the ball. Every time he cleared the ball, it was headed back and Fulham attacked once more. If he played it short, the defenders panicked and gave the ball away;
- get in a tough-tackling defensive midfielder. Perhaps a younger version of Whitehead (yes - I know Hogg was suspended yesterday). Show the oppoasition, from the start of games that they won't have an easy ride. Play Mooy further up the field. Get Billing fit and calm him down and let him share the playmaker's duties.
- Getting in another central defender is less important than getting that defensive midfielder position osrted out.
Stick to the principles of good football, but adapt or (if not quite die) suffer.
P.S. As I said in another post, Town didn't merit the superb support yesterday.
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Post by dewsburyborn on Oct 30, 2016 10:41:16 GMT 1
Apart from our defensive blunders, I didn't think Wells did anything, and in midfield only Mooy looked good enough. We did have chances, Mooy missed a header on 45 mins which I thought was crucial. We had 4 or5 blocked shots and their keeper made some good saves.. It's just every time they attacked they looked like scoring Exactly right. Having been there yesterday and that fateful day almost 30 years ago I had a sickly sense of deja vu, especially when 4 and 5 went in within 3 minutes with 25 still left to play. As someone wrote on another thread, it could have been 8 - so we got away with an even darker day. But, as at Man City, we could have and should have scored goals - the header just on half-time, the good save by the keeper just after half-time, a Schindler free-header, several good defensive that were goalbound - we didn't get the luck in that respect. Defensively we were trash and that's been well covered already, but attack-wise the absence of credible options is alarming. What really pissed me off is that only Deano got booked for letting them know he was there. Here we are taking a right mullering and nobody gets nasty about it. Maybe at 64 I'm just too old-school ? |
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Post by Werlinger on Oct 30, 2016 10:59:29 GMT 1
Rome was not built in a day, opposition may come your waaaay, but the harder the battle you see, makes the sweeter the victoreeeee
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Post by Werlinger on Oct 30, 2016 11:03:49 GMT 1
Apart from our defensive blunders, I didn't think Wells did anything, and in midfield only Mooy looked good enough. We did have chances, Mooy missed a header on 45 mins which I thought was crucial. We had 4 or5 blocked shots and their keeper made some good saves.. It's just every time they attacked they looked like scoring Exactly right. Having been there yesterday and that fateful day almost 30 years ago I had a sickly sense of deja vu, especially when 4 and 5 went in within 3 minutes with 25 still left to play. As someone wrote on another thread, it could have been 8 - so we got away with an even darker day. But, as at Man City, we could have and should have scored goals - the header just on half-time, the good save by the keeper just after half-time, a Schindler free-header, several good defensive that were goalbound - we didn't get the luck in that respect. Defensively we were trash and that's been well covered already, but attack-wise the absence of credible options is alarming. What really pissed me off is that only Deano got booked for letting them know he was there. Here we are taking a right mullering and nobody gets nasty about it. Maybe at 64 I'm just too old-school ? Not old school. I know it's different in the amateur leagues, but especially away from home I'm disappointed if I haven't gone through my opposite number in midfield within 5 minutes. You rarely get booked for it, and it lets them know you don't give a shit who they are - you're up for it. |
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