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Post by Giggity on Apr 1, 2017 20:28:20 GMT 1
Referee was an embarrassment. Should not call himself a man after that display. Little bitch.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Apr 1, 2017 20:30:45 GMT 1
Referee was an embarrassment. Should not call himself a man after that display. Little bitch. Agree but it was us too, shocking display.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2017 20:32:25 GMT 1
I forgot to say, he also didn't apply the new rule when Kachunga was fouled in the second half. Since the start of the season it is a red card if you cynically foul someone from behind with no attempt to play the ball. It was an awful tackle and not surprised Kachunga reacted the way he did. Should have been a red just like this one
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 1, 2017 21:22:50 GMT 1
you have to play the game as it is.. unlucky first booking, then with whitehead its usually a case of does he get away with it afterwards.. today he gave the ref the opportunity to make a decision.. simple, use your head.. we are not chasing the game, we are not losing.. dont do anything stupid other than something to save a goal at our end to hold the point(I would have credited him for that).. we had already got over involved in the stupid side of the game, it stopped us in our flow a lot of times.. you have to ignore it... now a ban and no points at all? suffice to say we could not hit a barn door with a banjo anyway.. we dont even hit the target with 99% of the attempts.. our percentage of wins by a goal has always been a pointer to the problem , however much of the game or attempts we have had.. Me today, I would have taken the 0-0 and admitted that Dave got it wrong and the team failed to press hard enough and failed to make enough going forward.. In not slagging any individual off for how they played, it was all pretty average to poor but Quaner looks lost and deano needs to engage his brain before making rash challenges in the wrong places.. I agree with your second point, but your first point is just plain wrong. The referee does not have a decision to make until the Burton players pile in. It's a nothing challenge, if it's what I think it is (again, I need to see the incident properly so it's a significant qualification on my opinion). No arms flying, no elbows, nothing to incur the wrath of the officials - it's simply a slightly late aerial challenge of a kind made a dozen times a game - he wants to win, he commits a nothing foul, what's most frustrating should be the break-up of an attack. The ref doesn't have a decision to make. The Burton players got Whitehead sent off. They convinced the referee it was something more than it was through play-acting, surrounding him, putting pressure on him, and getting at Whitehead. So something innocent became something the referee decided to take action on. That isn't Whitehead's fault. Fine, he committed a foul, but you have to be able to trust the base professionalism of your opponents to not lie and cheat. Taking your approach, you can't make a tackle. If a player dives over a leg with no contact, it's the challenger's fault, not the diver's. The referee and opponent can never be wrong, even when they are demonstrably incorrect. The decision Burton made effectively won them the game. It meant they got a two on one in the dying seconds when we were trying to force a winner. We were naive and committed men we shouldn't have, but with eleven men it isn't a problem - that was the big mistake we made. ref didnt..lino did.. once on a booking you have to 'play the game'... we dont like it as fans but thats how it goes.. if you are trusting your opponents 'professionalism' you saw it today, you see it every week... If you think we can get promotion by 'playing with just a straight bat' you are wrong.. if we meet leeds in the play offs then blocking, grabbing, and diving will be the order of the day.. truth is you just have to keep them out of your box as much as you can and hope you get a ref and linos who see it.. thats the way it goes.. BURTON NAGGING THE REF DID NOT WIN THEM THE GAME.. They scored a goal...we failed to... the rest is how the game is played today, like it or lump it.. we didnt outplay them enough and we couldnt out muscle or out 'cheat' them.. gotta get the team with the programme.. we can play we need the extras now,,
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Post by shatterrier on Apr 1, 2017 21:27:00 GMT 1
blah, blah, blah & wah, wah, wah!!! Jesus Christ - is this what we've become.............the ref this, Burton that. It was up to us to break them down & win the game
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Post by philincalifornia on Apr 1, 2017 21:53:41 GMT 1
The one incident that summed it up was the Smith non-penalty. I was sitting three rows back level with it, and if that's not a penalty I'm a fucking astronaut.
1-0 Town, final score 3 or 4 - 0.
Referee a joke, but why didn't the lino help him out ??
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Post by ACW on Apr 1, 2017 21:56:15 GMT 1
The one incident that summed it up was the Smith non-penalty. I was sitting three rows back level with it, and if that's not a penalty I'm a fucking astronaut. 1-0 Town, final score 3 or 4 - 0. Referee a joke, but why didn't the lino help him out ?? Because the so-called assistant referees rarely do any assisting.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2017 22:01:33 GMT 1
Whilst I agree with the sentiment from those saying we have to look at ourselves for not being able to break Burton down, I don't underestimate the impact the non-award of the Smith penalty incident had on the game.
Firstly, it was a blatant penalty; blatant! The award should be given and unfathomably it wasn't (as a side note - for those citing the penalty claim against Hefele; this doesn't even happen if ours is given).
Say it was given and we had scored (I know this isn't a formality given our spot kick record), then Burton's game plan has gone out of the window in the first 20 minutes.
There is no more time wasting; the goalkeeper doesn't run to the opposite side of his 6 yard box to take a goal kick every time, the centre backs don't fall over like they've been poleaxed, they don't crowd the referee for every decision, the right back doesn't take an eternity to take a thrown in, the left back takes the free kick rather than waiting a minute for his mate to untie and then tie his laces....... and so on and so on.
I can't blame Burton for coming with the game plan that they did. In their position it is understandable. If they did their research they will have known that this tactic has worked against us in the past this season. Unfortunately for us, their game plan was assisted by some very poor officiating. Officiating, which in my opinion, had a significant bearing on how the game played out from as early as the first 20 minutes.
Some players looked out of their depth, some looked languid, some let frustration get the better of them. Rightly we should look at ourselves in this defeat and see what can be done to improve upon this. However, rewind the clock to the penalty incident, give the decision and perhaps we aren't all having the discussions as we are having now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2017 22:16:16 GMT 1
Ridiculous when you compare our penalty claim today to the one given against us at Bristol. The one that wasn't a penalty is given and the one that is a penalty isn't awarded
The sooner there is some sort of video referee in top few divisions the better
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Post by ACW on Apr 1, 2017 22:24:27 GMT 1
Ridiculous when you compare our penalty claim today to the one given against us at Bristol. The one that wasn't a penalty is given and the one that is a penalty isn't awarded The sooner there is some sort of video referee in top few divisions the better The one at Bristol was a disgrace. Luckily it didn't really matter, but that's not the point. It should not have been given. For whatever reason we don't seem to get the rub of the green where it comes to refereeing decisions. I am not saying the ref cost us the game, but it would be nice to get some of the decisions other teams always seem to get against us. It's the same with bookings. How often do opposition players get a warning for bookable offences and given more chances, yet our lads always seem to be straight into the book? No one is asking for preferential treatment, but a level playing field would be nice.
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Post by impact on Apr 2, 2017 0:17:25 GMT 1
We are 21st in the penalty charts for this season - the only 3 teams with fewer awarded are Burton, Wigan and Rotherham, ie sides at the bottom who rarely see the ball.
You look at the soft/non-penalties given against us against Newcastle, Blackburn and Bristol, then see the 2 v Wigan, 1 v Brum and today's not given and it really is a joke.
To be 3rd with pretty much everything going against us this season is pretty amazing. If we had half the luck or the decisions the teams around us get we'd be sitting in the top 2.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Apr 2, 2017 0:30:17 GMT 1
Probably 2 incidents, the penalty not given and then Wells first touch from a good ball not long after he came on turning a very good scoring chance into at best a half chance. Sometimes you just know its not going to be your day.
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Post by morleyterrier on Apr 2, 2017 2:59:11 GMT 1
I can recall us getting what could be construed as a match defining decision in our favour at Norwich (Kachunga off-side and that was the Linesman!), however can't recall any others this season. Happy though to be reminded.
Against us though?, this season has been an out and out shambles for key match defining decisions going against us. How we are where we are in the league is astonishing with what we have had to put up against. I have never known a season like it refereeing and key decision wise.
Where do I start?, Birmingham and Wigan at home (for the Birmingham match, take your pick of a number of penalties not awarded to us), the first goal against Newcastle was always going to be crucial and you get a penalty awarded against you like that. Yet we can't get a stonewall penalty decision. The VLP sending off at Reading, yes he was stupid but I have seen Players berating referees worse than that on so many occasions this season with no action taken. The blatant foul when Nahki gets hauled, Man-handled to the ground seconds before Wednesday take the lead at their place (their penalty here I have seen them given and not given for hand-ball at point blank range). There are more.
I don't blame the Ref for the defeat yesterday, what I am pissed off about though is the general pattern of refereeing and key decisions across the season. It's got to the point that it is seriously impacting my enjoyment of going to matches. I have had enough of it now. All I want is fairness and a bit of right.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 2, 2017 11:31:28 GMT 1
we crossed at least 3 times yesterday when a shot was definitely on and the better option.. we had 3 or 4 two on ones which we failed to even create an attempt on goal from..
lolley missed the target, vlp missed the target, both from 12 yards or so and other breaks died a death because of no support, the wrong decision or us just stopping it and over playing..
defensively we did ok but still got caught one on one a few times??? if we have nobody in their box when there is a chance to cross, how come everyone is up the pitch when they break??
The answer is we all end up pretty much in a line across the pitch outside their penalty box because we have passed it sideways and gone in circles for so long..
This is ended by us losing it or the eye of the needle ball going out or to the keeper..yesterday it was ended by a few times trying a shot that was blocked by the defender standing 6 inches from the ball??
gotta speed up, gotta be more 'direct' on our breaks..have to get past the defence before its sitting on the edge of their own box and gotta get crosses in before they get 'set'..
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Post by Terriersmad on Apr 2, 2017 11:39:43 GMT 1
I can recall us getting what could be construed as a match defining decision in our favour at Norwich (Kachunga off-side and that was the Linesman!), however can't recall any others this season. Happy though to be reminded. Against us though?, this season has been an out and out shambles for key match defining decisions going against us. How we are where we are in the league is astonishing with what we have had to put up against. I have never known a season like it refereeing and key decision wise. Where do I start?, Birmingham and Wigan at home (for the Birmingham match, take your pick of a number of penalties not awarded to us), the first goal against Newcastle was always going to be crucial and you get a penalty awarded against you like that. Yet we can't get a stonewall penalty decision. The VLP sending off at Reading, yes he was stupid but I have seen Players berating referees worse than that on so many occasions this season with no action taken. The blatant foul when Nahki gets hauled, Man-handled to the ground seconds before Wednesday take the lead at their place (their penalty here I have seen them given and not given for hand-ball at point blank range). There are more. I don't blame the Ref for the defeat yesterday, what I am pissed off about though is the general pattern of refereeing and key decisions across the season. It's got to the point that it is seriously impacting my enjoyment of going to matches. I have had enough of it now. All I want is fairness and a bit of right. Mooy at Leeds, perhaps. And I'd quibble on the Kachunga one because it was so borderline and very much excusable! You expect those 50/50s to go either way, getting some and not getting others, it's the nature of it. I do actually agree on the final point. Shouldn't affect enjoyment - should just be a part of the drama and a talking point after the game. But you can be philosophical when it's a bit more balanced. This season has been ridiculous for decisions going against us. Remarkable, given where we are, but there you go.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Apr 2, 2017 11:42:07 GMT 1
Looking at the highlights this morning I'm still not convinced their lad is onside when the ball is played over by Sordell unless theres another defender out of shot that I don't recall at the time. From the cut of the grass he looks ahead of both our defenders when the ball is played.
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Post by space hardware on Apr 2, 2017 11:59:16 GMT 1
Looking at the highlights this morning I'm still not convinced their lad is onside when the ball is played over by Sordell unless theres another defender out of shot that I don't recall at the time. From the cut of the grass he looks ahead of both our defenders when the ball is played. I was dead level with it and he was 100% offside. The linesman was appalling all game, he was the dick who couldn't see the Smith penalty or the ball being a foot out of play when it was literally right under his nose. I think Lowe got booked for that call.
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Post by impact on Apr 2, 2017 12:02:26 GMT 1
Looking at the highlights this morning I'm still not convinced their lad is onside when the ball is played over by Sordell unless theres another defender out of shot that I don't recall at the time. From the cut of the grass he looks ahead of both our defenders when the ball is played. He's behind the ball so he's onside.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Apr 2, 2017 14:01:50 GMT 1
Looking at the highlights this morning I'm still not convinced their lad is onside when the ball is played over by Sordell unless theres another defender out of shot that I don't recall at the time. From the cut of the grass he looks ahead of both our defenders when the ball is played. I was dead level with it and he was 100% offside. The linesman was appalling all game, he was the dick who couldn't see the Smith penalty or the ball being a foot out of play when it was literally right under his nose. I think Lowe got booked for that call. No he wasn't. Check the highlights thread.
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Post by space hardware on Apr 2, 2017 14:10:13 GMT 1
I was dead level with it and he was 100% offside. The linesman was appalling all game, he was the dick who couldn't see the Smith penalty or the ball being a foot out of play when it was literally right under his nose. I think Lowe got booked for that call. No he wasn't. Check the highlights thread. Yeah, I've said as much in that thread. Amazing how far offside it looked in real time.
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