Today summed up in one incident

[Deleted]

RVLP fouled on half way towards the end of the game. Referee calls their player towards him so he can book him. Said player then tells the referee to go to him instead. Unbelievably the referee walks up to him and books him

He let Burton referee the game for him

[Yorkie]

Thing is though the ref was awful just full stop. I bet Hefele did summat naughty to the guy who went down early on and I saw from 50 yards away Quaner's clear as day elbow.
The ref was just a poor ref, not biased to one or the other. Unfortunately today the most poor decisions went against us and we lost the game. Hope we don't see him again. (Apparently that's 5 in a row lost with him in the middle)

Roll on Wednesday and surely a higher end ref due to TV and opponent.

[Cosmo Kramer]

What a horrible set of cheats they were today

[impact]

Burton had 3 players grabbing hold of Whitehead including at least 1 who was on a yellow card. So why was only 1 booked if Whitehead was when he had no chance of getting out of the situation?

The ref was a joke. He let Burton referee the game. Apparently they can surround and yell at him all game but when we do it once we get booked.

[Lard Buttie]

blah, blah, blah & wah, wah, wah!!!

Jesus Christ - is this what we've become.............the ref this, Burton that.

It was up to us to break them down & win the game

[Yuta be a terrier]

The incident that concerned me more was Smith crossing along the 6 yard line (admittedly the keeper blocked it) but if he hadn't it wouldn't have mattered because not one of the three players we had in the box gambled and would have been there to tap it in. The lack of goalscoring prowess in this team is frightening. We are 3rd with a goal difference of +3 for God's sake. It's not the ref or Burtons fault that we didn't win that.

[ACW]

Apr 1, 2017 17:48:03 GMT 1 Lard Buttie said:

blah, blah, blah & wah, wah, wah!!!

Jesus Christ - is this what we've become.............the ref this, Burton that.

It was up to us to break them down & win the game

Correct. We lost because we weren't good enough to break them down.

[Deleted]

Apr 1, 2017 17:48:03 GMT 1 Lard Buttie said:

blah, blah, blah & wah, wah, wah!!!

Jesus Christ - is this what we've become.............the ref this, Burton that.

It was up to us to break them down & win the game

I notice you always take this stance. Do you think the game would have had a different outcome if the referee had done his job? (Clamped down on the time wasting in the first 10 minutes and awarded a blatant penalty)

[Lard Buttie]

Apr 1, 2017 17:52:04 GMT 1 @pointykay said:

Apr 1, 2017 17:48:03 GMT 1 Lard Buttie said:

blah, blah, blah & wah, wah, wah!!!

Jesus Christ - is this what we've become.............the ref this, Burton that.

It was up to us to break them down & win the game

I notice you always take this stance. Do you think the game would have had a different outcome if the referee had done his job? (Clamped down on the time wasting in the first 10 minutes and awarded a blatant penalty)

Well he didn't - and we had 80+ other minutes to break them down.

I take this stance when we look to blame everyone else except ourselves

[Deleted]

Apr 1, 2017 17:55:48 GMT 1 Lard Buttie said:

Apr 1, 2017 17:52:04 GMT 1 @pointykay said:

I notice you always take this stance. Do you think the game would have had a different outcome if the referee had done his job? (Clamped down on the time wasting in the first 10 minutes and awarded a blatant penalty)

Well he didn't - and we had 80+ other minutes to break them down.

I take this stance when we look to blame everyone else except ourselves

80 other minutes against a team who played outside the rules and were allowed to. We weren't great but I won't blame us too much given the circumstances the defeat occurred in

[teddytheterrier]

That number 3 reffed the game, the fucking plum.

[Der Blitzbomber]

All season we've not been getting the decisions, but after months of it we shouldn't be letting it affect us like it does. The first half penalty shout wasn't given, which was a travesty but it seemed to affect us more than it should- our heads dropped and we lost control of the game. Brighton in that situation would have pushed on and still got the three points, but we collapsed. We need more resilience in those situations if we really want to get promoted.

[Captainslapper]

Apr 1, 2017 17:48:03 GMT 1 Lard Buttie said:

blah, blah, blah & wah, wah, wah!!!

Jesus Christ - is this what we've become.............the ref this, Burton that.

It was up to us to break them down & win the game

Spot on. They played to spoil the game and maybe nick one and thats exactly how it panned out. they'll be delighted at their gameplan.
Its up to us to do something better and we couldn't.

The non penalty was a shocker. If the ref hasn't seen it, the chump with the flag must have. As clear a pen as you'll see.
But they had a couple of decent looking claims too.
i thought they were as bad for both sides.

[Deleted]

Apr 1, 2017 18:16:53 GMT 1 Der Blitzbomber said:

All season we've not been getting the decisions, but after months of it we shouldn't be letting it affect us like it does. The first half penalty shout wasn't given, which was a travesty but it seemed to affect us more than it should- our heads dropped and we lost control of the game. Brighton in that situation would have pushed on and still got the three points, but we collapsed. We need more resilience in those situations if we really want to get promoted.

We need our best players back, that's what we need

[royrace]

Ref was a shit house, embarrassment to his profession. Some people would rather slate their own team for some reason.

Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards

[htfc1908]

How come Burton can man mark the ref with 3 players and get away with it? some refs book Town players for shrugging their shoulders!

[Terriersmad]

Apr 1, 2017 18:20:50 GMT 1 htfc1908 said:

How come Burton can man mark the ref with 3 players and get away with it? some refs book Town players for shrugging their shoulders!

Löwe's booking was a joke in that regard. First time a Town player shows anything resembling emotion, and after being physically thrown off the ball leading directly to a chance for them. Booked. But theirs are just allowed to physically intimidate a very weak referee.

Teams like that should be reported by the assessors. Come to spoil all you like. Come to set up with 10 men behind the ball and nick one. Good luck to you. But to come with an active plan of intimidating officials, cheating, faking injury... It's not on. Action should be taken if an official isn't strong enough to do anything about it.

[galpharm2400]

dont get involved with the spoiling and the falling out?

wasted on whitehead..

ludicrous challenge to get his second card..pointless..

town not good enough or strong enough..the ref didnt alter our lack of anything much going forward..

[Deleted]

Apr 1, 2017 18:29:02 GMT 1 galpharm2400 said:

dont get involved with the spoiling and the falling out?

wasted on whitehead..

ludicrous challenge to get his second card..pointless..

town not good enough or strong enough..the ref didnt alter our lack of anything much going forward..

He allowed any tempo to be taken out of the game by their ridiculous time wasting. It's difficult to get any kind of momentum going when the opposition take a good 30 seconds over picking up a ball or taking a goal kick

The keeper continually letting the ball roll past him was a joke and criminal that the referee did nothing about it

[Terriersmad]

Apr 1, 2017 18:29:02 GMT 1 galpharm2400 said:

dont get involved with the spoiling and the falling out?

wasted on whitehead..

ludicrous challenge to get his second card..pointless..

town not good enough or strong enough..the ref didnt alter our lack of anything much going forward..

Was it? Thought it was something and nothing and that Burton's players blew it up to get him sent off. That Turner is a disgrace. You'd think when you've been proven to have racially abused someone the other week you'd be on best behaviour, not deliberately cheating to get someone else sent off.

[Der Blitzbomber]

Apr 1, 2017 18:26:26 GMT 1 Terriersmad said:

Apr 1, 2017 18:20:50 GMT 1 htfc1908 said:

How come Burton can man mark the ref with 3 players and get away with it? some refs book Town players for shrugging their shoulders!

Löwe's booking was a joke in that regard. First time a Town player shows anything resembling emotion, and after being physically thrown off the ball leading directly to a chance for them. Booked. But theirs are just allowed to physically intimidate a very weak referee.

Teams like that should be reported by the assessors. Come to spoil all you like. Come to set up with 10 men behind the ball and nick one. Good luck to you. But to come with an active plan of intimidating officials, cheating, faking injury... It's not on. Action should be taken if an official isn't strong enough to do anything about it.

Refs/assistants need to be stronger, but blaming them for a defeat however shit they were seems like sour grapes. We need to be stronger and not let bad decisions affect us. Burton were dirty without the ball and very quick to go down, but we should have been able to overcome them today despite the officials.

[stevvy]

Our inability to take our chances cost us today, not the ref, however he should never be allowed to ref again. Worst ref ever. Weak, fell for everything from Burton, should've booked their players for time wasting far earlier (even if you have shit for brains it should be clear to everyone including the ref that they're going to timewaste from minute 1 and the sooner you book them for it the sooner they'll stop for fear of getting booked again) and allowed them to get away with being the dirty twats that they are.

[RickDangerous]

Apr 1, 2017 17:48:03 GMT 1 Lard Buttie said:

blah, blah, blah & wah, wah, wah!!!

Jesus Christ - is this what we've become.............the ref this, Burton that.

It was up to us to break them down & win the game

Hard to argue, but i will anyway.
We probably would have broke them down if we'd have got the 80+ minutes injury time we were due.

[galpharm2400]

Apr 1, 2017 18:36:37 GMT 1 Der Blitzbomber said:

Apr 1, 2017 18:26:26 GMT 1 Terriersmad said:

Löwe's booking was a joke in that regard. First time a Town player shows anything resembling emotion, and after being physically thrown off the ball leading directly to a chance for them. Booked. But theirs are just allowed to physically intimidate a very weak referee.

Teams like that should be reported by the assessors. Come to spoil all you like. Come to set up with 10 men behind the ball and nick one. Good luck to you. But to come with an active plan of intimidating officials, cheating, faking injury... It's not on. Action should be taken if an official isn't strong enough to do anything about it.

Refs/assistants need to be stronger, but blaming them for a defeat however shit they were seems like sour grapes. We need to be stronger and not let bad decisions affect us. Burton were dirty without the ball and very quick to go down, but we should have been able to overcome them today despite the officials.

the above..

as for whitehead, if you run and throw yourself into an aeriel challenge you never had a chance of winning you are asking for it..  he did and he got it, stupid..

btw we were drawing at the time and there was minutes plus injury time left to win the game..  he chucked his and our hand in..I dont ever want to see him again not exactly where he is supposed to be, he cant do anything than play the one spot on the pitch.. If he stayed on he might well have been where he is supposed to be at the other end?   winning is great, not losing is next..  losing by a goal in a game that passed us by mostly is bad..

cant go along with blaming the ref or the other team anymore..  its becoming a bit sad if im honest..

quaner played for 60 mins or more for what?

sordell on his jack always 'got something' when it was played up to him, he got a throw or a corner or god forbid, held it up... he even got 2 free kicks..

I have no idea what part of any game plan quaner was?

we end up trying the most difficult route to goal far too often and we beat ourselves pretty much at times..

[Terriersmad]

Apr 1, 2017 19:35:14 GMT 1 galpharm2400 said:

Apr 1, 2017 18:36:37 GMT 1 Der Blitzbomber said:

Refs/assistants need to be stronger, but blaming them for a defeat however shit they were seems like sour grapes. We need to be stronger and not let bad decisions affect us. Burton were dirty without the ball and very quick to go down, but we should have been able to overcome them today despite the officials.

the above..

as for whitehead, if you run and throw yourself into an aeriel challenge you never had a chance of winning you are asking for it..  he did and he got it, stupid..

btw we were drawing at the time and there was minutes plus injury time left to win the game..  he chucked his and our hand in..I dont ever want to see him again not exactly where he is supposed to be, he cant do anything than play the one spot on the pitch.. If he stayed on he might well have been where he is supposed to be at the other end?   winning is great, not losing is next..  losing by a goal in a game that passed us by mostly is bad..

cant go along with blaming the ref or the other team anymore..  its becoming a bit sad if im honest..

quaner played for 60 mins or more for what?

sordell on his jack always 'got something' when it was played up to him, he got a throw or a corner or god forbid, held it up... he even got 2 free kicks..

I have no idea what part of any game plan quaner was?

we end up trying the most difficult route to goal far too often and we beat ourselves pretty much at times..

OK, so it's a foul. Have to say, I didn't see it clearly - I thought Hefele had been pulled up, to be quite honest. Is it a booking? Is it heck. It's a challenge for the ball that's a bit late. We're going to win a game, he feels he has to go for the header. Nothing more to it. No blame attached for me. No blame for the first either. Burton did a job on him, and to be fair to him he couldn't have done a lot about it - at worst it's two mistimed challenges he'd be expected to make that might be worth a speaking to. Certainly not worth a sending off.

[galpharm2400]

Apr 1, 2017 19:40:46 GMT 1 Terriersmad said:

Apr 1, 2017 19:35:14 GMT 1 galpharm2400 said:

the above..

as for whitehead, if you run and throw yourself into an aeriel challenge you never had a chance of winning you are asking for it..  he did and he got it, stupid..

btw we were drawing at the time and there was minutes plus injury time left to win the game..  he chucked his and our hand in..I dont ever want to see him again not exactly where he is supposed to be, he cant do anything than play the one spot on the pitch.. If he stayed on he might well have been where he is supposed to be at the other end?   winning is great, not losing is next..  losing by a goal in a game that passed us by mostly is bad..

cant go along with blaming the ref or the other team anymore..  its becoming a bit sad if im honest..

quaner played for 60 mins or more for what?

sordell on his jack always 'got something' when it was played up to him, he got a throw or a corner or god forbid, held it up... he even got 2 free kicks..

I have no idea what part of any game plan quaner was?

we end up trying the most difficult route to goal far too often and we beat ourselves pretty much at times..

OK, so it's a foul. Have to say, I didn't see it clearly - I thought Hefele had been pulled up, to be quite honest. Is it a booking? Is it heck. It's a challenge for the ball that's a bit late. We're going to win a game, he feels he has to go for the header. Nothing more to it. No blame attached for me. No blame for the first either. Burton did a job on him, and to be fair to him he couldn't have done a lot about it - at worst it's two mistimed challenges he'd be expected to make that might be worth a speaking to. Certainly not worth a sending off.

you have to play the game as it is.. unlucky first booking, then with whitehead its usually a case of does he get away with it afterwards..  today he gave the ref the opportunity to make a decision..

simple, use your head..

we are not chasing the game, we are not losing..  dont do anything stupid other than something to save a goal at our end to hold the point(I would have credited him for that)..  we had already got over involved in the stupid side of the game, it stopped us in our flow a lot of times..  you have to ignore it... now a ban and no points at all?

suffice to say we could not hit a barn door with a banjo anyway.. we dont even hit the target with 99% of the attempts.. our percentage of wins by a goal has always been a pointer to the problem , however much of the game or attempts we have had..

Me today, I would have taken the 0-0 and admitted that Dave got it wrong and the team failed to press hard enough and failed to make enough going forward..

In not slagging any individual off for how they played, it was all pretty average to poor but Quaner looks lost and deano needs to engage his brain before making rash challenges in the wrong places..

[Terriersmad]

Apr 1, 2017 19:53:07 GMT 1 galpharm2400 said:

Apr 1, 2017 19:40:46 GMT 1 Terriersmad said:

OK, so it's a foul. Have to say, I didn't see it clearly - I thought Hefele had been pulled up, to be quite honest. Is it a booking? Is it heck. It's a challenge for the ball that's a bit late. We're going to win a game, he feels he has to go for the header. Nothing more to it. No blame attached for me. No blame for the first either. Burton did a job on him, and to be fair to him he couldn't have done a lot about it - at worst it's two mistimed challenges he'd be expected to make that might be worth a speaking to. Certainly not worth a sending off.

you have to play the game as it is.. unlucky first booking, then with whitehead its usually a case of does he get away with it afterwards..  today he gave the ref the opportunity to make a decision..

simple, use your head..

we are not chasing the game, we are not losing..  dont do anything stupid other than something to save a goal at our end to hold the point(I would have credited him for that)..  we had already got over involved in the stupid side of the game, it stopped us in our flow a lot of times..  you have to ignore it... now a ban and no points at all?

suffice to say we could not hit a barn door with a banjo anyway.. we dont even hit the target with 99% of the attempts.. our percentage of wins by a goal has always been a pointer to the problem , however much of the game or attempts we have had..

Me today, I would have taken the 0-0 and admitted that Dave got it wrong and the team failed to press hard enough and failed to make enough going forward..

In not slagging any individual off for how they played, it was all pretty average to poor but Quaner looks lost and deano needs to engage his brain before making rash challenges in the wrong places..

I agree with your second point, but your first point is just plain wrong.

The referee does not have a decision to make until the Burton players pile in. It's a nothing challenge, if it's what I think it is (again, I need to see the incident properly so it's a significant qualification on my opinion). No arms flying, no elbows, nothing to incur the wrath of the officials - it's simply a slightly late aerial challenge of a kind made a dozen times a game - he wants to win, he commits a nothing foul, what's most frustrating should be the break-up of an attack. The ref doesn't have a decision to make.

The Burton players got Whitehead sent off. They convinced the referee it was something more than it was through play-acting, surrounding him, putting pressure on him, and getting at Whitehead. So something innocent became something the referee decided to take action on. That isn't Whitehead's fault. Fine, he committed a foul, but you have to be able to trust the base professionalism of your opponents to not lie and cheat.

Taking your approach, you can't make a tackle. If a player dives over a leg with no contact, it's the challenger's fault, not the diver's. The referee and opponent can never be wrong, even when they are demonstrably incorrect.

The decision Burton made effectively won them the game. It meant they got a two on one in the dying seconds when we were trying to force a winner. We were naive and committed men we shouldn't have, but with eleven men it isn't a problem - that was the big mistake we made.

[tockyterrier]

I don't think we can blame the defeat solely at the hands of the officials, because every made some awful decisions. VLP especially bad for me one of his worst games, if I were Loewe, I'd be so frustrated with him.

If we were happy to settle for a draw, we sound not have lost that game. But we were trying to win, we took a bit of a risk, they hit a lucky bounce and unfortunately their lad could run quicker than ours.

But the one incident that summed the match/officials for me was when the ref allowed their player to delay taking a free kick whilst the player "fouled" was untying and re-tying his boot laces - utterly ridiculous.

[buckers]

Apr 1, 2017 17:55:48 GMT 1 Lard Buttie said:

Apr 1, 2017 17:52:04 GMT 1 @pointykay said:

I notice you always take this stance. Do you think the game would have had a different outcome if the referee had done his job? (Clamped down on the time wasting in the first 10 minutes and awarded a blatant penalty)

Well he didn't - and we had 80+ other minutes to break them down.

I take this stance when we look to blame everyone else except ourselves

Do you think the ref had a good game then?

[dumbo]

Apr 1, 2017 20:10:50 GMT 1 Terriersmad said:

Apr 1, 2017 19:53:07 GMT 1 galpharm2400 said:

you have to play the game as it is.. unlucky first booking, then with whitehead its usually a case of does he get away with it afterwards..  today he gave the ref the opportunity to make a decision..

simple, use your head..

we are not chasing the game, we are not losing..  dont do anything stupid other than something to save a goal at our end to hold the point(I would have credited him for that)..  we had already got over involved in the stupid side of the game, it stopped us in our flow a lot of times..  you have to ignore it... now a ban and no points at all?

suffice to say we could not hit a barn door with a banjo anyway.. we dont even hit the target with 99% of the attempts.. our percentage of wins by a goal has always been a pointer to the problem , however much of the game or attempts we have had..

Me today, I would have taken the 0-0 and admitted that Dave got it wrong and the team failed to press hard enough and failed to make enough going forward..

In not slagging any individual off for how they played, it was all pretty average to poor but Quaner looks lost and deano needs to engage his brain before making rash challenges in the wrong places..

I agree with your second point, but your first point is just plain wrong.

The referee does not have a decision to make until the Burton players pile in. It's a nothing challenge, if it's what I think it is (again, I need to see the incident properly so it's a significant qualification on my opinion). No arms flying, no elbows, nothing to incur the wrath of the officials - it's simply a slightly late aerial challenge of a kind made a dozen times a game - he wants to win, he commits a nothing foul, what's most frustrating should be the break-up of an attack. The ref doesn't have a decision to make.

The Burton players got Whitehead sent off. They convinced the referee it was something more than it was through play-acting, surrounding him, putting pressure on him, and getting at Whitehead. So something innocent became something the referee decided to take action on. That isn't Whitehead's fault. Fine, he committed a foul, but you have to be able to trust the base professionalism of your opponents to not lie and cheat.

Taking your approach, you can't make a tackle. If a player dives over a leg with no contact, it's the challenger's fault, not the diver's. The referee and opponent can never be wrong, even when they are demonstrably incorrect.

The decision Burton made effectively won them the game. It meant they got a two on one in the dying seconds when we were trying to force a winner. We were naive and committed men we shouldn't have, but with eleven men it isn't a problem - that was the big mistake we made.

The radio made it sound like he pushed someone, but the 'highlights' show what you describe a nothing much aerial bump.