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Post by shatterrier on Apr 1, 2017 21:23:39 GMT 1
David's post match interview today.
We can rant and rage but this guy's honesty is humbling.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2017 21:27:49 GMT 1
He has far more than I ever will. No way I could have kept it together at full time after that shambles of a refereeing performance. I also wouldn't have shook Clough's hand for employing such anti football tactics
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Post by shatterrier on Apr 1, 2017 21:34:00 GMT 1
He has far more than I ever will. No way I could have kept it together at full time after that shambles of a refereeing performance. I also wouldn't have shook Clough's hand for employing such anti football tactics I would also have told him that his father would have been ashamed. But that's my point, David has what you, me and Gary Monk don't have. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Apr 1, 2017 21:41:21 GMT 1
I hope Burton get relegated.
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Post by Stewpot on Apr 1, 2017 22:09:41 GMT 1
If I was David Wagner I would have said to Nigel Clough " As far as I'm concerned, the first thing you can do for me is to chuck all your medals and all your caps and all your pots and all your pans into the biggest fucking dustbin you can find, because you've never won any of them fairly. You've done it all by bloody cheating ".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2017 22:20:46 GMT 1
Some of our fans could learn a lesson from Wagner about Class, Humility & Respect!
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Post by space hardware on Apr 2, 2017 0:01:05 GMT 1
I hope Burton get relegated. Loved their underdog story before today but after that display they can tumble down through the leagues for all I care. If that's how they think football should be played then fuck em. |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Apr 2, 2017 0:23:03 GMT 1
To be fair if we were in their position at this stage of the season and had their players we would probably trying every trick we could to avoid relegation and then assess it in the summer. It's easy to take the moral high ground, it's not that long ago they were non league. It's been quite a journey for them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 0:29:46 GMT 1
I hope they go bust. If Nigel keeps eating I'm sure he will, the fat fucking never live up to your father prick
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Post by impact on Apr 2, 2017 0:32:43 GMT 1
To be fair if we were in their position at this stage of the season and had their players we would probably trying every trick we could to avoid relegation and then assess it in the summer. It's easy to take the moral high ground, it's not that long ago they were non league. It's been quite a journey for them. We were not too long back. Did we time-waste? Yes. Did we put men behind the ball for a draw? Yes. Did we feign injury every 2 minutes and surround the ref at every opportunity, begging for players to be sent off? No. Gamesmanship is one thing, what went on in the Burton match was a disgrace. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 2, 2017 0:44:13 GMT 1
Seriously some Town fans are losing the plot. What do you expect? Most clubs in this league must have treble the budget what Burton have, even Rotherham must have double the average home gate than Burton. They are going to employ spoiling tactics, I've seen Town do it many a time, what's everyone getting het up about it for? I'm more pissed off with Town for not breaking them down and getting the game won. Wagner must have known what tactics would be employed? We'll have had em watched. Stop bleating on about the opposition, we were shite end of.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Apr 2, 2017 0:48:51 GMT 1
The weakness of the reffing made it worse, they played him like a fiddle. Stronger action early doors would have cut some of the nonsense out. Once they knew he was a bit inept and could be influenced then of course they were going to push it as much as they could. That doesnt excuse some of our poor play especially second half. Thought we started quite brightly though.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 2, 2017 0:50:20 GMT 1
The weakness of the reffing made it worse, they played him like a fiddle. Stronger action early doors would have cut some of the nonsense out. Once they knew he was a bit inept and could be influenced then of course they were going to push it as much as they could. Tell you what would have cut it out? Us bloody scoring. |
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Post by impact on Apr 2, 2017 1:01:07 GMT 1
The weakness of the reffing made it worse, they played him like a fiddle. Stronger action early doors would have cut some of the nonsense out. Once they knew he was a bit inept and could be influenced then of course they were going to push it as much as they could. Tell you what would have cut it out? Us bloody scoring. Like via a penalty in the 23rd minute? |
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Post by trailingleg on Apr 2, 2017 1:08:05 GMT 1
Don't agree with Wagner sticking Kachunga out on the wing. He was the only one scoring before he did that (apart from Palmer}. Kache is a central striker, more effective than Wells now. Quaner is a reserve winger at best. Barnsley was his best game for us, and he didn't score then!
Scannell looked a class apart in the U23 game earlier this week. Why wasn't he even on the bench?
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Post by ozterrier on Apr 2, 2017 2:21:13 GMT 1
I hope Burton get relegated. Loved their underdog story before today but after that display they can tumble down through the leagues for all I care. If that's how they think football should be played then fuck em. What the fuck are they supposed to do? Play the way their opposition wants them to play? Fair play to them I say - they did what they had to do to get something out of the game, and it may well keep them in this division. Its easy now in the position we're in to pontificate about playing the game in a particular way, but it was only 18 months ago we were not far off where they are. Now, if it were Derby or Sheffield Wednesday or some team with ample resources at their disposal playing like that then you'd perhaps have a point. |
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Post by TTerrier on Apr 2, 2017 2:23:24 GMT 1
Don't agree with Wagner sticking Kachunga out on the wing. He was the only one scoring before he did that (apart from Palmer}. Kache is a central striker, more effective than Wells now. Quaner is a reserve winger at best. Barnsley was his best game for us, and he didn't score then! Scannell looked a class apart in the U23 game earlier this week. Why wasn't he even on the bench? Kachunga is a central striker? What are you talking about? He hasn't played as a striker all season. In fact extremely successful on the right wing, one of the most prosperous partnerships with Smith in the league. In goals and assists. Really do fucking hate this site after a loss. |
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Post by trailingleg on Apr 2, 2017 7:23:45 GMT 1
Don't agree with Wagner sticking Kachunga out on the wing. He was the only one scoring before he did that (apart from Palmer}. Kache is a central striker, more effective than Wells now. Quaner is a reserve winger at best. Barnsley was his best game for us, and he didn't score then! Scannell looked a class apart in the U23 game earlier this week. Why wasn't he even on the bench? Kachunga is a central striker? What are you talking about? He hasn't played as a striker all season. In fact extremely successful on the right wing, one of the most prosperous partnerships with Smith in the league. In goals and assists. Really do fucking hate this site after a loss. What has a defeat got to to do with my opinion? And if Kache hasn't played as a striker why was Nahki remarking earlier in the season that he couldn't be guaranteed a start as the main striker? I really hate this board after a defeat. |
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Post by DeepSpace on Apr 2, 2017 7:47:49 GMT 1
I have no criticism of Burton whatsoever. If we managed to go up & nicked a point at Old Trafford playing like that we'd be crowing about it for years. Burton are actually not a bad side for the resources they have. We were lucky to get 3 points down at their place & created the square root of sod all yesterday. Which is our fault not theirs.
The ref was a different story. Inept & seemed to be favouring the 'underdog' at times, but at the end of the day, we only had ourselves to blame yesterday.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 2, 2017 8:46:47 GMT 1
Tell you what would have cut it out? Us bloody scoring. Like via a penalty in the 23rd minute? Yes, why he's not given that, I'mean really not quite sure, looked nailed on to me. |
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Post by stinkypete on Apr 2, 2017 9:00:50 GMT 1
I think everyone understands that they are going to come and time waste and that's up to the ref to be stronger and clamp down on it in the first 10 minutes with a booking, if he doesn't, the game will pan out like it did yesterday until we break them down. Which we should've have been given the perfect opportunity to do so with a penalty, score that and all that nonsense stops and it's a different game.
What I can't agree with, and have never seen a Town team do, is constantly (and I mean constantly) at every opportunity hound the ref waving imaginary cards etc, that's not football to me.
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Post by space hardware on Apr 2, 2017 9:03:35 GMT 1
Loved their underdog story before today but after that display they can tumble down through the leagues for all I care. If that's how they think football should be played then fuck em. What the fuck are they supposed to do? Play the way their opposition wants them to play? Fair play to them I say - they did what they had to do to get something out of the game, and it may well keep them in this division. Its easy now in the position we're in to pontificate about playing the game in a particular way, but it was only 18 months ago we were not far off where they are. Now, if it were Derby or Sheffield Wednesday or some team with ample resources at their disposal playing like that then you'd perhaps have a point. No problem at all with a team playing for a point, taking ages over a throw in, feigning injury, whatever. This went way beyond that. I've personally never seen a team do what they did. |
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Post by detox on Apr 2, 2017 9:12:05 GMT 1
Seriously some Town fans are losing the plot. What do you expect? Most clubs in this league must have treble the budget what Burton have, even Rotherham must have double the average home gate than Burton. They are going to employ spoiling tactics, I've seen Town do it many a time, what's everyone getting het up about it for? I'm more pissed off with Town for not breaking them down and getting the game won. Wagner must have known what tactics would be employed? We'll have had em watched. Stop bleating on about the opposition, we were shite end of. with respect, that is utter tosh.I've never seen a Town team feign injury so much as Burton, time waste for 95 minutes and niggle our players and get in the ref's ear like Burton did yesterday. Yes we've wasted time when we were 1-0 up, in the last 10 minutes..by keeping the ball in the corner, but Burton took gamesmanship to a new level and exploited a very poor ref. |
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Post by hudde01 on Apr 2, 2017 9:26:17 GMT 1
David's post match interview today. We can rant and rage but this guy's honesty is humbling. We all new what to expect from Burton park the bus, waste time, feign injury etc, what Wagner and all the staff new is an early goal was vital to break them down, So we pick a team with no effective strike force Quaner (never seen him head a ball yet) Payne (not up to this level) Lolley (easily knocked off ball) which leaves VLP say no more. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 9:37:52 GMT 1
Its our responsibility to break teams down especially at home. Teams will come to defend and spoil if necessary, our form and league position will dictate this, we need to get used to it and overcome it.
Pressurising refs , time wasting, fouling, cheating its all part and parcel of the game for lesser clubs versus the quality teams.
If we are to make it to the Prem we might have to operate with some of these values(or lack of them) or get relegated, you use what you've got.
Its down to us to defeat teams and tactics like this.
As Sir Alf once said "we want goals"
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Post by wtd on Apr 2, 2017 9:40:58 GMT 1
David's post match interview today. We can rant and rage but this guy's honesty is humbling. This thread seems to have gone off-track somewhat with talk of Burton's tac-tics and the referee's failings. Back to the OP. The man is a class act. A very honest assessment. No ranting, raving or complaining... just re-focusing and getting on with the job. We could all learn a bit from him in how to deal with defeat. |
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Post by 4 pts on Apr 2, 2017 9:46:22 GMT 1
Seriously some Town fans are losing the plot. What do you expect? Most clubs in this league must have treble the budget what Burton have, even Rotherham must have double the average home gate than Burton. They are going to employ spoiling tactics, I've seen Town do it many a time, what's everyone getting het up about it for? I'm more pissed off with Town for not breaking them down and getting the game won. Wagner must have known what tactics would be employed? We'll have had em watched. Stop bleating on about the opposition, we were shite end of. with respect, that is utter tosh.I've never seen a Town team feign injury so much as Burton, time waste for 95 minutes and niggle our players and get in the ref's ear like Burton did yesterday. Yes we've wasted time when we were 1-0 up, in the last 10 minutes..by keeping the ball in the corner, but Burton took gamesmanship to a new level and exploited a very poor ref. I picked Lansbury in the TWAT thread for the same reason. Rolling around on the floor and constantly in the refs ear is disgraceful. You normally only get one player at it but this lot had 4 or 5 at it from the 1st minute. Unfortunately, it doesn't paper over the cracks when it comes to Towns inability to break this type of team down. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 2, 2017 9:48:15 GMT 1
Its our responsibility to break teams down especially at home. Teams will come to defend and spoil if necessary, our form and league position will dictate this, we need to get used to it and overcome it. Pressurising refs , time wasting, fouling, cheating its all part and parcel of the game for lesser clubs versus the quality teams. If we are to make it to the Prem we might have to operate with some of these values(or lack of them) or get relegated, you use what you've got. Its down to us to defeat teams and tactics like this. As Sir Alf once said "we want goals" There is no doubt we will have to employ them tactics in the Premier League especially against the Manchester United's and Arsenal's. Don't think anyone will be complaining then should it bring a famous victory at Old Trafford. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 10:10:24 GMT 1
To be fair if we were in their position at this stage of the season and had their players we would probably trying every trick we could to avoid relegation and then assess it in the summer. It's easy to take the moral high ground, it's not that long ago they were non league. It's been quite a journey for them. corect. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 10:11:39 GMT 1
To be fair if we were in their position at this stage of the season and had their players we would probably trying every trick we could to avoid relegation and then assess it in the summer. It's easy to take the moral high ground, it's not that long ago they were non league. It's been quite a journey for them.  |
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