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Post by hd2 on Nov 17, 2017 2:26:31 GMT 1
One day a club with a big catchment will rise...maybe Plymouth or Carlisle...buyers look for that sort of thing. Fan potential. A guy in Poland bought a village team when he could not buy a decent sized club and took that village team (400 people) to the top of the Polish league in 7 years. They are still clinging to top flight status. Its funny when the play at home and are always outnumbered..they have about 60 hardcore fans Termalica Bruk-Bet. Its clear L**ds will go bust andof the league at some point...e live in hope. Didn't something similar happen with Gretna? In fact there used to be a chap on here who lived up that way and referred to Gretna as his second team. I think they got to the Scottish cup final before fading away. Gretna were accepted into the Scottish 4th tier in 2002 at the 3rd attempt and made the Scottish Premiership in less than 5 years. They reached a cup final in 2006 and went into liquidation in 2008 after their main financial backer withdrew due to ill health.
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Post by pjr43 on Nov 17, 2017 2:41:25 GMT 1
Ok then who are the only two clubs to have gone from the 4th tier right up to the 1st tier....twice? Brighton and Swansea?
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Post by lochnessterrier on Nov 17, 2017 7:49:42 GMT 1
Coventry will finally get their act together and start to climb.
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Post by Jack on Nov 17, 2017 10:40:05 GMT 1
Okay I'll say Bradford City. Promoted from league two in 2013. League cup finalists the same season. Very good and sensible owners, doing things the right way. Lost in play off final last season and doing well in league one again. Most championship sides haven't been in league two for a very long time bar Button but don't think they have the catchment to push them on. Yeah Burton's rise has been phenomenal in the last few years but I agree they have reached their limit. I think Brentford are the next most recent in League 2 in 2008/9.
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Nov 17, 2017 11:12:10 GMT 1
Okay I'll say Bradford City. Promoted from league two in 2013. League cup finalists the same season. Very good and sensible owners, doing things the right way. Lost in play off final last season and doing well in league one again. Most championship sides haven't been in league two for a very long time bar Button but don't think they have the catchment to push them on. Yeah Burton's rise has been phenomenal in the last few years but I agree they have reached their limit. I think Brentford are the next most recent in League 2 in 2008/9. Brentford is a good shout, they're moving to a new ground and could provide the catalyst that they need.
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Post by terrier5 on Nov 17, 2017 11:44:18 GMT 1
One day a club with a big catchment will rise...maybe Plymouth or Carlisle...buyers look for that sort of thing. Fan potential. I find it interesting that no big time buyer (to my knowledge) has ever picked up a world famous tourist destination club - Oxford, Cambridge, York, Bath... all these places have 'catchment population' to a degree and a ready made international profile.
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Post by Stewpot on Nov 17, 2017 11:47:58 GMT 1
Luton Town used to be regulars in the top flight in the 80's. If they can rise again they would have done it all the way from the 5th tier. Another club with a huge potential fan base, the whole of Bedfordshire for a start.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 17, 2017 12:20:36 GMT 1
One day a club with a big catchment will rise...maybe Plymouth or Carlisle...buyers look for that sort of thing. Fan potential. I find it interesting that no big time buyer (to my knowledge) has ever picked up a world famous tourist destination club - Oxford, Cambridge, York, Bath... all these places have 'catchment population' to a degree and a ready made international profile. Small pops. little footballing tradition, itinerant, student population with no money. These are 10 year projects....big bucks guys like immediacy....buy a Wolves and bang £50 mill in.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 12:54:47 GMT 1
Another question might be: given that Brighton and Town are the 48th and 49th different clubs to appear in the prem, who will be number 50? hope shef u, sad to lose on pens, could do with another yorkshire club, also like to see reading get promoted
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Nov 17, 2017 13:16:25 GMT 1
Another question might be: given that Brighton and Town are the 48th and 49th different clubs to appear in the prem, who will be number 50? hope shef u, sad to lose on pens, could do with another yorkshire club, also like to see reading get promoted Where were you 29th May? What a weird comment, its great to lose on pens v HTFC.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 13:46:21 GMT 1
Luton Town used to be regulars in the top flight in the 80's. If they can rise again they would have done it all the way from the 5th tier. Another club with a huge potential fan base, the whole of Bedfordshire for a start. They struggled to get 10,000 even in the first division. The ground is a massive headache for them completely hemmed in. MK cheap tickets too will affect potential. I can't see them ever returning to those heights.
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Post by sabailand on Nov 17, 2017 13:49:51 GMT 1
Ok then who are the only two clubs to have gone from the 4th tier right up to the 1st tier....twice? Brighton and Swansea? Corect,well done pjr43,you`re fivers in the post!
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Post by Jack on Nov 17, 2017 13:50:37 GMT 1
Another question might be: given that Brighton and Town are the 48th and 49th different clubs to appear in the prem, who will be number 50? hope shef u, sad to lose on pens, could do with another yorkshire club, also like to see reading get promoted Sheff Utd have played in the Premier League.
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Post by sabailand on Nov 17, 2017 13:50:56 GMT 1
Swansea must be one is it? Good effort captain,half right!
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Post by Marco4 on Nov 17, 2017 13:51:10 GMT 1
I doubt they ever will, but Gillingham is a club that has the potential to be a much bigger club than it actually is. Think their catchment area is really big and densely populated. Just that most of them would say they 'support' one of the big london clubs, or Man utd or course. But if they could change that they have the potential at least, to be a club getting 40,000 every week. Too easy to get to London from here. Everyone's Arsenal or Spurs and a few Charlton. Gillingham is a shit experience at a ground, a chairman with no ambition and generally a drudge. Change the last three things, and it can happen, and they might.
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Post by Terry Jacko on Nov 17, 2017 14:05:50 GMT 1
Lincoln City are currently averaging nearly 9k in league two which is the highest in that league, they are looking at a new ground also so could be a club on the up. Don't think there are many teams around there either but not sure if its a big football area or not.
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Post by Mastercracker on Nov 17, 2017 14:18:09 GMT 1
Okay I'll say Bradford City. Promoted from league two in 2013. League cup finalists the same season. Very good and sensible owners, doing things the right way. Lost in play off final last season and doing well in league one again. Most championship sides haven't been in league two for a very long time bar Button but don't think they have the catchment to push them on. Yeah Burton's rise has been phenomenal in the last few years but I agree they have reached their limit. I think Brentford are the next most recent in League 2 in 2008/9. Championship is the glass ceiling for all those ex non league sides like Burton, Yeovil, Fleetwood, Stevenage etc. It's where the big clubs and money starts and it really starts to ramp up and get difficult.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Nov 17, 2017 14:32:30 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 15:54:17 GMT 1
Lincoln City are currently averaging nearly 9k in league two which is the highest in that league, they are looking at a new ground also so could be a club on the up. Don't think there are many teams around there either but not sure if its a big football area or not. Unfortunately not many people either, outside Lincoln which itself has a population of less than 100,000. Their crowds are probably at an all time high, certainly higher than I can remember going back to the early 70s.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 29, 2018 22:57:03 GMT 1
On their way from the 7th tier. Now favourites.
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Jul 29, 2018 23:34:16 GMT 1
On their way from the 7th tier. Now favourites. Still think Luton are a better bet. In terms of going from 4th division to the 1st. Southern Clubs will get the Arabian multi millionaires takeovers, rather than Clubs in the grim old North. Salford will get in the football league and then disappear as quick as they came. Neville brothers et al are fotballers and have made money out of the game all their lives. They aren't about to throw it all back into a Club that they had no emotional attachment to until 5 years ago. They will sell their shares to the first buyer once they get in the football league. Luton is based nicely close to London. That's what foreign multi millionaire investors are interested in. Buy the local football Club, become liked...
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Post by Marco4 on Jul 30, 2018 13:14:57 GMT 1
Brentford have never been Premier League. I would not be hugely surprised to see them make it one year, especially with the prospect of their new stadium.
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Post by froggyterrier on Jul 30, 2018 14:47:08 GMT 1
Salford could be a safe bet here.
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Post by kes on Jul 30, 2018 15:15:37 GMT 1
Preston & Bristol city probably the 2 biggest clubs not to have been in the Premier league.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 30, 2018 15:28:10 GMT 1
On their way from the 7th tier. Now favourites. Still think Luton are a better bet. In terms of going from 4th division to the 1st. Southern Clubs will get the Arabian multi millionaires takeovers, rather than Clubs in the grim old North. Salford will get in the football league and then disappear as quick as they came. Neville brothers et al are fotballers and have made money out of the game all their lives. They aren't about to throw it all back into a Club that they had no emotional attachment to until 5 years ago. They will sell their shares to the first buyer once they get in the football league. Luton is based nicely close to London. That's what foreign multi millionaire investors are interested in. Buy the local football Club, become liked... Salford are favourites in the Conference,based on what? Sizeable cash reserves? The Neville brothers? Their ground is shit with no fanbase to speak of. Fylde were widely tipped last season due to their money bags owner but it didn't happen for them. Be interesting to see but I wouldn't be backing them at 5/1.
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Post by Der Blitzbomber on Jul 30, 2018 15:38:35 GMT 1
Sunderland currently on their way down, but big enough to bounce back... with 4 relegation slots from the 3rd division and a certain Jack Rodwell bleeding them dry while he gets fat, I've a feeling they've further to fall before they rebound.
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Post by specialun on Jul 30, 2018 15:59:31 GMT 1
Brentford have never been Premier League. I would not be hugely surprised to see them make it one year, especially with the prospect of their new stadium. They keep losing player after player though - Id like to see them do it but fear they won't and they've peaked and had their good seasons punching above their financial weight
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