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Post by Spike24 on May 21, 2018 16:37:19 GMT 1
What's the odds on Leeds getting relegated, or are they not out yet?
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Post by howden1953 on May 21, 2018 16:42:08 GMT 1
What's the odds on Leeds getting relegated, or are they not out yet? <iframe width="24.74000000000001" height="3.0400000000000063" style="position: absolute; width: 24.74000000000001px; height: 3.0400000000000063px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_29680112" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.74000000000001" height="3.0400000000000063" style="position: absolute; width: 24.74px; height: 3.04px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1176px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_42998110" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.74000000000001" height="3.0400000000000063" style="position: absolute; width: 24.74px; height: 3.04px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 92px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_18124592" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.74000000000001" height="3.0400000000000063" style="position: absolute; width: 24.74px; height: 3.04px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1176px; top: 92px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_77161527" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.40000000000009" height="3.0400000000000063" style="position: absolute; width: 24.40000000000009px; height: 3.0400000000000063px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_74960390" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.40000000000009" height="3.0400000000000063" style="position: absolute; width: 24.4px; height: 3.04px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1159px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_361163" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.40000000000009" height="3.0400000000000063" style="position: absolute; width: 24.4px; height: 3.04px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 92px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_42745934" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.40000000000009" height="3.0400000000000063" style="position: absolute; width: 24.4px; height: 3.04px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1159px; top: 92px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_61434899" scrolling="no"></iframe> .....15/2....ninth favs to win title. Owls chances rated higher by bookies at 13/2.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on May 21, 2018 16:45:06 GMT 1
Been amazing last few years how Town are now the big club in the premier ! Lubbly jubbly !
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Post by palaceman42 on May 21, 2018 16:55:03 GMT 1
Rubbish Leeds are a club in decline, we fill our stadium every home game which is good for a town with 5 times less population than Leeds, the support in Leeds is very poor for the size of the city, Manchester, Sheffield have 2 clubs and Leeds have 1 and boast about 30,000 gates that’s shite. Town are a club on the up and growing fast all the new footy supporters in, Dewsbury, Wakefield, Halifax will want premier league footy this is why if we stay then we will extend the stadium and totally out grow Leeds, all this big club talk is going to byte you in the arse over the next few years because the town are on the verge of out growning the scum. We have out grown them, we’re a long way ahead of them now. Just from an impartial outsider's point of view, I would be careful with statements like that, as invariably they come back and bite you on the arse. Huddersfield, right now, are a club on the up, and have the Premier League riches at their disposal to help them grow, and improve across the board. Those riches, right now, are far in excess of what has been on offer previously to clubs at this level, and with prudent investment and good planning should set clubs up for the future. However, it only takes a one-off good season in the Championship to see a side from last season's mid table be this season's promotion contenders - last season, Wolves finished 15th, Cardiff 12th and Villa 13th - all well off the pace, but two have already gone up and one is in the play off final. Additionally, it only takes one bad season for a mid-table Premier League club to become relegation candidates - WBA were 10th last season, Stoke finished 13th (after a few top half finishes) and Southampton 8th, but two of those went down and the other scraped through this season. Yes, Leeds fans have bizarre delusions of grandeur, based on nothing more than success before a lot of the current fan base were even born, and think that because of their size they "deserve" to be in the Premier League - and looking at it without a local rivalry view, I actually find it quite amusing - and their fans are incredibly easy to wind up (much like any rugby league fan if you claim Union is better - FWIW I'm not really a fan of either). But, just remember how football can come around and bite you - it's happened to us all at some point in time, before thinking that you will now and forever more be the bigger club! We had a lot of that mentality on our forums before the season, lauding it up over Brighton, and yet for most of the season we were far more likely to go down than they were, which was not a pleasant position to be in. For now, enjoy it, but don't get too carried away, as football's a funny old game. I'd advise the same to any fan in the sort of position you find yourselves in over your rivals, as unlikely as it seems, the boot can end up on the other foot fairly quickly. As an outsider, I'd add that I'd much rather play Huddersfield than Leeds, partly because Elland Road is so far out of town it's a pain and cuts down on my drinking time pre / post match - loved the away day in Huddersfield this season!
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Post by howden1953 on May 21, 2018 16:59:37 GMT 1
I've often wondered why Wolves owners did not choose Leeds instead....or Leicester's owners.
There must be a good reason why they cannot attract wealthy backers like Bournemouth, Watford etc..
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Post by Cosmo Kramer on May 21, 2018 17:06:50 GMT 1
We have out grown them, we’re a long way ahead of them now. Just from an impartial outsider's point of view, I would be careful with statements like that, as invariably they come back and bite you on the arse. Huddersfield, right now, are a club on the up, and have the Premier League riches at their disposal to help them grow, and improve across the board. Those riches, right now, are far in excess of what has been on offer previously to clubs at this level, and with prudent investment and good planning should set clubs up for the future. However, it only takes a one-off good season in the Championship to see a side from last season's mid table be this season's promotion contenders - last season, Wolves finished 15th, Cardiff 12th and Villa 13th - all well off the pace, but two have already gone up and one is in the play off final. Additionally, it only takes one bad season for a mid-table Premier League club to become relegation candidates - WBA were 10th last season, Stoke finished 13th (after a few top half finishes) and Southampton 8th, but two of those went down and the other scraped through this season. Yes, Leeds fans have bizarre delusions of grandeur, based on nothing more than success before a lot of the current fan base were even born, and think that because of their size they "deserve" to be in the Premier League - and looking at it without a local rivalry view, I actually find it quite amusing - and their fans are incredibly easy to wind up (much like any rugby league fan if you claim Union is better - FWIW I'm not really a fan of either). But, just remember how football can come around and bite you - it's happened to us all at some point in time, before thinking that you will now and forever more be the bigger club! We had a lot of that mentality on our forums before the season, lauding it up over Brighton, and yet for most of the season we were far more likely to go down than they were, which was not a pleasant position to be in. For now, enjoy it, but don't get too carried away, as football's a funny old game. I'd advise the same to any fan in the sort of position you find yourselves in over your rivals, as unlikely as it seems, the boot can end up on the other foot fairly quickly. As an outsider, I'd add that I'd much rather play Huddersfield than Leeds, partly because Elland Road is so far out of town it's a pain and cuts down on my drinking time pre / post match - loved the away day in Huddersfield this season! I meant as things stand we’re a long way ahead, which is true given the amount of money being in the PL is worth. I’m well aware it could all change if they were to be promoted, look at Swansea and Cardiff. As for lauding it up, I and many other Town fans have had to put up with a lot of nonsense from that lot for a long time. Part of football is being able to enjoy these times, when you’re better and stronger than your rivals. It can all change, but what’s the point of the good times if you don’t embrace them. Thinking of the day it will all go wrong means you never get to have any fun!
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Post by howden1953 on May 21, 2018 17:07:19 GMT 1
What's the odds on Leeds getting relegated, or are they not out yet? Don't think Leeds will be relegated, to be honest. There are 4/5 weaker teams, maybe 6. NB: It would drive Leeds fans mad to finally regain their "rightful" place in the top-flight only for "The Big Six" to break away to join the proposed European Super League (with no promotion or relegation). <iframe width="24.74000000000001" height="3.0400000000000063" style="position: absolute; width: 24.74000000000001px; height: 3.0400000000000063px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_3947501" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.74000000000001" height="3.0400000000000063" style="position: absolute; width: 24.74px; height: 3.04px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1176px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_70504206" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.74000000000001" height="3.0400000000000063" style="position: absolute; width: 24.74px; height: 3.04px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 92px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_57598025" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="24.74000000000001" height="3.0400000000000063" style="position: absolute; width: 24.74px; height: 3.04px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1176px; top: 92px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_13017806" scrolling="no"></iframe>
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Post by Porrohman on May 21, 2018 17:15:55 GMT 1
We have out grown them, we’re a long way ahead of them now. Just from an impartial outsider's point of view, I would be careful with statements like that, as invariably they come back and bite you on the arse. Huddersfield, right now, are a club on the up, and have the Premier League riches at their disposal to help them grow, and improve across the board. Those riches, right now, are far in excess of what has been on offer previously to clubs at this level, and with prudent investment and good planning should set clubs up for the future. However, it only takes a one-off good season in the Championship to see a side from last season's mid table be this season's promotion contenders - last season, Wolves finished 15th, Cardiff 12th and Villa 13th - all well off the pace, but two have already gone up and one is in the play off final. Additionally, it only takes one bad season for a mid-table Premier League club to become relegation candidates - WBA were 10th last season, Stoke finished 13th (after a few top half finishes) and Southampton 8th, but two of those went down and the other scraped through this season. Yes, Leeds fans have bizarre delusions of grandeur, based on nothing more than success before a lot of the current fan base were even born, and think that because of their size they "deserve" to be in the Premier League - and looking at it without a local rivalry view, I actually find it quite amusing - and their fans are incredibly easy to wind up (much like any rugby league fan if you claim Union is better - FWIW I'm not really a fan of either). But, just remember how football can come around and bite you - it's happened to us all at some point in time, before thinking that you will now and forever more be the bigger club! We had a lot of that mentality on our forums before the season, lauding it up over Brighton, and yet for most of the season we were far more likely to go down than they were, which was not a pleasant position to be in. For now, enjoy it, but don't get too carried away, as football's a funny old game. I'd advise the same to any fan in the sort of position you find yourselves in over your rivals, as unlikely as it seems, the boot can end up on the other foot fairly quickly. As an outsider, I'd add that I'd much rather play Huddersfield than Leeds, partly because Elland Road is so far out of town it's a pain and cuts down on my drinking time pre / post match - loved the away day in Huddersfield this season! Bah Humbug ! 😉😁
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Post by palaceman42 on May 21, 2018 17:22:13 GMT 1
Just from an impartial outsider's point of view, I would be careful with statements like that, as invariably they come back and bite you on the arse. Huddersfield, right now, are a club on the up, and have the Premier League riches at their disposal to help them grow, and improve across the board. Those riches, right now, are far in excess of what has been on offer previously to clubs at this level, and with prudent investment and good planning should set clubs up for the future. However, it only takes a one-off good season in the Championship to see a side from last season's mid table be this season's promotion contenders - last season, Wolves finished 15th, Cardiff 12th and Villa 13th - all well off the pace, but two have already gone up and one is in the play off final. Additionally, it only takes one bad season for a mid-table Premier League club to become relegation candidates - WBA were 10th last season, Stoke finished 13th (after a few top half finishes) and Southampton 8th, but two of those went down and the other scraped through this season. Yes, Leeds fans have bizarre delusions of grandeur, based on nothing more than success before a lot of the current fan base were even born, and think that because of their size they "deserve" to be in the Premier League - and looking at it without a local rivalry view, I actually find it quite amusing - and their fans are incredibly easy to wind up (much like any rugby league fan if you claim Union is better - FWIW I'm not really a fan of either). But, just remember how football can come around and bite you - it's happened to us all at some point in time, before thinking that you will now and forever more be the bigger club! We had a lot of that mentality on our forums before the season, lauding it up over Brighton, and yet for most of the season we were far more likely to go down than they were, which was not a pleasant position to be in. For now, enjoy it, but don't get too carried away, as football's a funny old game. I'd advise the same to any fan in the sort of position you find yourselves in over your rivals, as unlikely as it seems, the boot can end up on the other foot fairly quickly. As an outsider, I'd add that I'd much rather play Huddersfield than Leeds, partly because Elland Road is so far out of town it's a pain and cuts down on my drinking time pre / post match - loved the away day in Huddersfield this season! I meant as things stand we’re a long way ahead, which is true given the amount of money being in the PL is worth. I’m well aware it could all change if they were to be promoted, look at Swansea and Cardiff. As for lauding it up, I and many other Town fans have had to put up with a lot of nonsense from that lot for a long time. Part of football is being able to enjoy these times, when you’re better and stronger than your rivals. It can all change, but what’s the point of the good times if you don’t embrace them. Thinking of the day it will all go wrong means you never get to have any fun! Oh, I know - just think of the hurt it will be causing them inside though, when you're linked with players at the world cup and they're looking in the bargain basement. It really is a case nowadays of the have and the have-nots, except for those clubs which are bankrolled to promotion. And I didn't mean to not enjoy it - we all love getting one over on rivals, especially in such a comprehensive manner, and when they are so delusional about their status in English football presently - but that means they'll be suffering all the more as a result, even if you don't rub it in
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 21, 2018 17:23:17 GMT 1
Might as well make total hay of the situation. And if they once again manage to inch above us then shit happens . I was brought up in the seventies when they were cheating their way to titles whilst town were skirting re election
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Post by TTCMatt on May 21, 2018 17:33:22 GMT 1
We have out grown them, we’re a long way ahead of them now. Just from an impartial outsider's point of view, I would be careful with statements like that, as invariably they come back and bite you on the arse. Huddersfield, right now, are a club on the up, and have the Premier League riches at their disposal to help them grow, and improve across the board. Those riches, right now, are far in excess of what has been on offer previously to clubs at this level, and with prudent investment and good planning should set clubs up for the future. However, it only takes a one-off good season in the Championship to see a side from last season's mid table be this season's promotion contenders - last season, Wolves finished 15th, Cardiff 12th and Villa 13th - all well off the pace, but two have already gone up and one is in the play off final. Additionally, it only takes one bad season for a mid-table Premier League club to become relegation candidates - WBA were 10th last season, Stoke finished 13th (after a few top half finishes) and Southampton 8th, but two of those went down and the other scraped through this season. Yes, Leeds fans have bizarre delusions of grandeur, based on nothing more than success before a lot of the current fan base were even born, and think that because of their size they "deserve" to be in the Premier League - and looking at it without a local rivalry view, I actually find it quite amusing - and their fans are incredibly easy to wind up ( much like any rugby league fan if you claim Union is better - FWIW I'm not really a fan of either). But, just remember how football can come around and bite you - it's happened to us all at some point in time, before thinking that you will now and forever more be the bigger club! We had a lot of that mentality on our forums before the season, lauding it up over Brighton, and yet for most of the season we were far more likely to go down than they were, which was not a pleasant position to be in. For now, enjoy it, but don't get too carried away, as football's a funny old game. I'd advise the same to any fan in the sort of position you find yourselves in over your rivals, as unlikely as it seems, the boot can end up on the other foot fairly quickly. As an outsider, I'd add that I'd much rather play Huddersfield than Leeds, partly because Elland Road is so far out of town it's a pain and cuts down on my drinking time pre / post match - loved the away day in Huddersfield this season! I WILL FIGHT YOU IN THE STREET FOR COMMENTS LIKE THAT!
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Post by palaceman42 on May 21, 2018 17:44:40 GMT 1
Just from an impartial outsider's point of view, I would be careful with statements like that, as invariably they come back and bite you on the arse. Huddersfield, right now, are a club on the up, and have the Premier League riches at their disposal to help them grow, and improve across the board. Those riches, right now, are far in excess of what has been on offer previously to clubs at this level, and with prudent investment and good planning should set clubs up for the future. However, it only takes a one-off good season in the Championship to see a side from last season's mid table be this season's promotion contenders - last season, Wolves finished 15th, Cardiff 12th and Villa 13th - all well off the pace, but two have already gone up and one is in the play off final. Additionally, it only takes one bad season for a mid-table Premier League club to become relegation candidates - WBA were 10th last season, Stoke finished 13th (after a few top half finishes) and Southampton 8th, but two of those went down and the other scraped through this season. Yes, Leeds fans have bizarre delusions of grandeur, based on nothing more than success before a lot of the current fan base were even born, and think that because of their size they "deserve" to be in the Premier League - and looking at it without a local rivalry view, I actually find it quite amusing - and their fans are incredibly easy to wind up ( much like any rugby league fan if you claim Union is better - FWIW I'm not really a fan of either). But, just remember how football can come around and bite you - it's happened to us all at some point in time, before thinking that you will now and forever more be the bigger club! We had a lot of that mentality on our forums before the season, lauding it up over Brighton, and yet for most of the season we were far more likely to go down than they were, which was not a pleasant position to be in. For now, enjoy it, but don't get too carried away, as football's a funny old game. I'd advise the same to any fan in the sort of position you find yourselves in over your rivals, as unlikely as it seems, the boot can end up on the other foot fairly quickly. As an outsider, I'd add that I'd much rather play Huddersfield than Leeds, partly because Elland Road is so far out of town it's a pain and cuts down on my drinking time pre / post match - loved the away day in Huddersfield this season! I WILL FIGHT YOU IN THE STREET FOR COMMENTS LIKE THAT! Told you so My personal view is that a good game of union is a lot better than a good game of league, but a bad game of union is far worse than a bad game of league - and bad games in union tend to outnumber the good ones. I'm not really a fan of either in truth, but can see why they both appeal to people. What surprises me most is the lack of people who do appreciate both, and the seemingly regional nature to both.
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Post by DeepSpace on May 21, 2018 17:51:48 GMT 1
I WILL FIGHT YOU IN THE STREET FOR COMMENTS LIKE THAT! Told you so My personal view is that a good game of union is a lot better than a good game of league, but a bad game of union is far worse than a bad game of league - and bad games in union tend to outnumber the good ones. I'm not really a fan of either in truth, but can see why they both appeal to people. What surprises me most is the lack of people who do appreciate both, and the seemingly regional nature to both. Union seems to involve a lot more groping & blokes piling on top of each other instead of just getting on with the game. Being a non-homophobic, modern sort of bloke, I’ll make no link between that & your average soft, shandy drinking Southerner
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 18:01:20 GMT 1
Rugby in general is pretty crap viewing to me, but I do much prefer Union which is sacrilege to say as someone born and raised in Huddersfield.
The only reason I prefer it is because I can’t effing stand the American-style crap that’s associated with League.
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Post by Town Duppy on May 21, 2018 19:30:29 GMT 1
Rugby is f***ing madness just a load of goalies running all over the shop, it's something that I ovoid at all costs!
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 21, 2018 20:08:24 GMT 1
Rugby is f***ing madness just a load of goalies running all over the shop, it's something that I ovoid at all costs! Jay avoids rugby like the plague and he is a top bloke.. although if he thinks they play it in a shop full of goalies he has probably been watching something else!!!!!
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Post by Porrohman on May 21, 2018 20:33:15 GMT 1
Just from an impartial outsider's point of view, I would be careful with statements like that, as invariably they come back and bite you on the arse. Huddersfield, right now, are a club on the up, and have the Premier League riches at their disposal to help them grow, and improve across the board. Those riches, right now, are far in excess of what has been on offer previously to clubs at this level, and with prudent investment and good planning should set clubs up for the future. However, it only takes a one-off good season in the Championship to see a side from last season's mid table be this season's promotion contenders - last season, Wolves finished 15th, Cardiff 12th and Villa 13th - all well off the pace, but two have already gone up and one is in the play off final. Additionally, it only takes one bad season for a mid-table Premier League club to become relegation candidates - WBA were 10th last season, Stoke finished 13th (after a few top half finishes) and Southampton 8th, but two of those went down and the other scraped through this season. Yes, Leeds fans have bizarre delusions of grandeur, based on nothing more than success before a lot of the current fan base were even born, and think that because of their size they "deserve" to be in the Premier League - and looking at it without a local rivalry view, I actually find it quite amusing - and their fans are incredibly easy to wind up ( much like any rugby league fan if you claim Union is better - FWIW I'm not really a fan of either). But, just remember how football can come around and bite you - it's happened to us all at some point in time, before thinking that you will now and forever more be the bigger club! We had a lot of that mentality on our forums before the season, lauding it up over Brighton, and yet for most of the season we were far more likely to go down than they were, which was not a pleasant position to be in. For now, enjoy it, but don't get too carried away, as football's a funny old game. I'd advise the same to any fan in the sort of position you find yourselves in over your rivals, as unlikely as it seems, the boot can end up on the other foot fairly quickly. As an outsider, I'd add that I'd much rather play Huddersfield than Leeds, partly because Elland Road is so far out of town it's a pain and cuts down on my drinking time pre / post match - loved the away day in Huddersfield this season! I WILL FIGHT YOU IN THE STREET FOR COMMENTS LIKE THAT! It's true though
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Post by TTCMatt on May 21, 2018 22:39:28 GMT 1
I WILL FIGHT YOU IN THE STREET FOR COMMENTS LIKE THAT! It's true though I'll take you both on.
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Post by TTCMatt on May 21, 2018 22:41:11 GMT 1
I WILL FIGHT YOU IN THE STREET FOR COMMENTS LIKE THAT! Told you so My personal view is that a good game of union is a lot better than a good game of league, but a bad game of union is far worse than a bad game of league - and bad games in union tend to outnumber the good ones. I'm not really a fan of either in truth, but can see why they both appeal to people. What surprises me most is the lack of people who do appreciate both, and the seemingly regional nature to both.
You're incredibly wrong, but we're straying off topic so I'll save it for another thread. That and I sense that no one else on here gives a shite about either code
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Post by philincalifornia on May 22, 2018 6:33:00 GMT 1
Rugby is f***ing madness just a load of goalies running all over the shop, it's something that I ovoid at all costs! Clever touch that ... o·void ˈōˌvoid adjective 1. (of a solid or a three-dimensional surface) egg-shaped. noun noun: ovoid; plural noun: ovoids 1. an ovoid body or surface.
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Post by Town Duppy on May 22, 2018 7:37:50 GMT 1
Rugby is f***ing madness just a load of goalies running all over the shop, it's something that I ovoid at all costs! Clever touch that ... o·void ˈōˌvoid adjective 1. (of a solid or a three-dimensional surface) egg-shaped. noun noun: ovoid; plural noun: ovoids 1. an ovoid body or surface.I do try!
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on May 22, 2018 7:39:55 GMT 1
I'm more a Onion man not league.
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Post by Headless Chicken on May 22, 2018 8:19:18 GMT 1
I'm more a Onion man not league. Well you probably bring water to a lot of eyes on here with your posting and Ted's in the dunny.
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Post by kes on May 22, 2018 8:50:12 GMT 1
I've often wondered why Wolves owners did not choose Leeds instead....or Leicester's owners. There must be a good reason why they cannot attract wealthy backers like Bournemouth, Watford etc.. It's not near London & the ground is a dump.
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Post by Town Duppy on May 22, 2018 10:57:11 GMT 1
I'm more a Onion man not league. Yes Nickster sooooooo many layers!
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on May 22, 2018 19:04:04 GMT 1
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Post by teddytheterrier on May 22, 2018 19:07:40 GMT 1
Link doesn't work, if he did did he ask for your permission?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 22, 2018 19:11:52 GMT 1
Blake pays Nick a tenner a post and 50 a thread .. FACT
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Post by teddytheterrier on May 22, 2018 19:13:33 GMT 1
Whatever happened to your sub fred for examiner nonsense?
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Post by Town Duppy on May 22, 2018 19:16:55 GMT 1
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