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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 14, 2018 16:11:43 GMT 1
Are Oti and Arterrier going to come on stating it is a national disgrace that we aren’t playing a full strength team ? No but what I will say is all this hype about England during this World Cup has been ridiculous. We've looked solid but pretty unspectacular throughout,just as we do today. We've relied heavily on set pieces and created very little from open play, defensive suspect, one paced and totally unadventurous at times. This England team is a mirror image of the managers persona, dull and uninspiring. The draw was very very kind to us. The dismissal of Croatia buy the public, the media and the pundits was embarrassing but the best team won on the night. I'm willing to bet England will not build on this in the next European Championship which is far harder and of much higher quality than the World Cup. It's been better but there is much work to do.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 14, 2018 16:18:05 GMT 1
Are Oti and Arterrier going to come on stating it is a national disgrace that we aren’t playing a full strength team ? Yes.
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Post by ACW on Jul 14, 2018 16:18:24 GMT 1
Sterling is very wasteful in possession. And at international level that's a real problem. His pace worries defences, but that's no good when his use of the ball is so poor. He is, but he’s also the only player on the England team prepared to try get the ball forward quickly - rather than dwelling on it, then passing it sideways or backwards, giving Belgium ample time to get back into their shape. Compare the way Belgium stream forward at pace at the first sniff of a counter attack, everyone looking to find space, with England’s approach - first get set, then move up the pitch slowly, side to side, most players static. I take your points re: Sterling, but he does need to look after the ball better. Your right in your comparison of England and Belgium though. I suspect this is the type of game we would have seen had England got to the final. France would have played a similar way against us, and probably had similar success.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 14, 2018 16:23:05 GMT 1
63 minutes...Maguire on the ball. 4 touches....and then back to Pickford. England in a nutshell.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 14, 2018 16:30:37 GMT 1
Are Oti and Arterrier going to come on stating it is a national disgrace that we aren’t playing a full strength team ? Yes. IF we had played full strength first time round there is a strong chance we wouldn’t have got anywhere near the semis .. Southgate 1. Oti. 0
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Post by Thwarting Dog on Jul 14, 2018 16:30:57 GMT 1
63 minutes...Maguire on the ball. 4 touches....and then back to Pickford. England in a nutshell. Just like watching Town last season !!!
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 14, 2018 16:31:15 GMT 1
Sterling is very wasteful in possession. And at international level that's a real problem. His pace worries defences, but that's no good when his use of the ball is so poor. He is, but he’s also the only player on the England team prepared to try get the ball forward quickly - rather than dwelling on it, then passing it sideways or backwards, giving Belgium ample time to get back into their shape. Compare the way Belgium stream forward at pace at the first sniff of a counter attack, everyone looking to find space, with England’s approach - first get set, then move up the pitch slowly, side to side, most players static. Some of the shit he got earlier in the competition was massively overstated, but this was his 'VLP v Chelsea' game
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 14, 2018 16:35:09 GMT 1
IF we had played full strength first time round there is a strong chance we wouldn’t have got anywhere near the semis .. Southgate 1. Oti. 0 We would not have beaten Belgium with the first team in 5 attempts....what are you on about?
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Post by ACW on Jul 14, 2018 16:37:39 GMT 1
England have played well in the second half. Put Belgium under pressure, created chances, but can't finish. Promising though.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 14, 2018 16:38:40 GMT 1
IF we had played full strength first time round there is a strong chance we wouldn’t have got anywhere near the semis .. Southgate 1. Oti. 0 We would not have beaten Belgium with the first team in 5 attempts....what are you on about? The first team would probably/possibly have beaten Belgium reserves . Hence proceeding to the wrong half of the draw where they would have been eliminated ... you didn’t “get it “ at the time so I don’t expect you to get it now . Ditto when Wagner rested players prior to getting promoted to the premier league ... I remember you having a little “kick off “ about that too .
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 14, 2018 16:40:50 GMT 1
Both teams playing like it's an exhibition game. No need for rash challenges and injuries...
2-0, game over with the above in mind...
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Post by Thwarting Dog on Jul 14, 2018 16:41:32 GMT 1
Too many players ball watching there. Game, set and match
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Post by Is It Eidur Gudjohnsen on Jul 14, 2018 16:45:10 GMT 1
It just shows the gulf in class. Our attack is poor if Kane isn't on form. Sterling can't score and Rashford tries but makes poor choices, passes when should shoot and shoots when should pass.
It's the time for people like Fondon and Sessingnon to step up and see what they can do.
I turned it off as I realised in watching I was putting more effort in that Kane today
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 14, 2018 16:46:04 GMT 1
sorry, it was obvious to me.. Im used to blokes not being able to hack it due to physical limits and mental limits.. many of ours lost it 5 minutes into the second half, they not only changed their approach but their aggression and physicality dissapeared. It happens, why try to hide it? If its ignored again will it go away?? Croatia became stronger, in truth they should not be man for man any fitter than us but mentally they were, its just a fact, we watched it happen... Just because a team is mentally stronger does not mean they “want it more “ .. what utter nonsense loser mentality.. england did ok physically today and lost.. you keep coming second and get praise for it and it never changes..you never match the physical and the mental and you never win anything much.. you keep believing its nonsense, your second best..
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 14, 2018 16:51:14 GMT 1
Just because a team is mentally stronger does not mean they “want it more “ .. what utter nonsense loser mentality.. england did ok physically today and lost.. you keep coming second and get praise for it and it never changes..you never match the physical and the mental and you never win anything much.. you keep believing its nonsense, your second best.. You're second best at spelling.. You have absolutely zero evidence that England wanted it less than Croatia. Which is what you said. Stop making it up .
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 14, 2018 16:51:37 GMT 1
5 matches without a goal from open play. 3 wins, 3 defeats and a draw. The 3 wins v very poor teams. I refer you to the "why England cannot win the world cup" thread. We are OK in groups with Latvia and Slovakia...just. Everything i lost on Poland i got back laying England.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jul 14, 2018 16:52:54 GMT 1
My nan would have been more useful than Kane in these last few games. I hope he's carrying a knock because if not his efforts have been sub standard
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Post by Thwarting Dog on Jul 14, 2018 16:54:19 GMT 1
That lad who just got booked for Belgium has had a good tournament, Witsel or summat. Sign him up DW
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 14, 2018 16:54:46 GMT 1
What's this re-connected nation bollocks?
The media are generally a big influence on disconnecting it in the first place...
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 14, 2018 16:56:45 GMT 1
5 matches without a goal from open play. 3 wins, 3 defeats and a draw. The 3 wins v very poor teams. I refer you to the "why England cannot win the world cup" thread. We are OK in groups with Latvia and Slovakia...just. Everything i lost on Poland i got back laying England. So why as an England fan did you want them in the same half of the draw as France, Brazil etc ? Also why were you imploring everyone to buy plane tickets for Moscow for the final ?
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 14, 2018 16:56:53 GMT 1
5 matches without a goal from open play. 3 wins, 3 defeats and a draw. The 3 wins v very poor teams. I refer you to the "why England cannot win the world cup" thread. We are OK in groups with Latvia and Slovakia...just. Everything i lost on Poland i got back laying England. Yeah, but we were a lot closer than your post suggests... Which country are you supporting at the Euros if we're not doing it for you?
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Post by Giggity on Jul 14, 2018 16:57:18 GMT 1
Won and lost the games we were expected to. Southgate is not the saviour. Fortunately he got the easiest route to the semi-final in living memory which has masked over all of his shortcomings. 5/10.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 16:58:53 GMT 1
I didn’t watch the game today. Knew we would probably lose.
Said before we did better than I expected getting to the semi albeit helped by the draw but we really only beat teams you would expect. Lost to Belgium twice and Croatia as expected.
I get people getting carried away when we got to the semi but we only did about as well as you would think considering who we played.
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Post by philincalifornia on Jul 14, 2018 16:59:54 GMT 1
I blame Southgate's clothing choice. The players show up and think they're playing for the fucking NatWest bank team.
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 14, 2018 17:10:20 GMT 1
Are Oti and Arterrier going to come on stating it is a national disgrace that we aren’t playing a full strength team ? No but what I will say is all this hype about England during this World Cup has been ridiculous. We've looked solid but pretty unspectacular throughout,just as we do today. We've relied heavily on set pieces and created very little from open play, defensive suspect, one paced and totally unadventurous at times. This England team is a mirror image of the managers persona, dull and uninspiring. The draw was very very kind to us. The dismissal of Croatia buy the public, the media and the pundits was embarrassing but the best team won on the night. I'm willing to bet England will not build on this in the next European Championship which is far harder and of much higher quality than the World Cup. It's been better but there is much work to do. I don't usually get drawn into arguments on this forum, as it is very easy to get carried away with responses to atrociously negative people, who let's face it, one has never met and might be really lovely human beings. However, in this case, I felt that this post deserved a response. No but what I will say is all this hype about England during this World Cup has been ridiculous.I think that the hype has been apparent amongst many people around the World whose nationalism has been channeled into their football team - not just England, but Russia, Sweden, Japan, Belgium, Brazil, Iran and many others. Some people get incensed when this happens in England. ...created very little from open play, defensive suspect, one paced and totally unadventurous at times. Cough...er... Town many games last season. This England team is a mirror image of the managers persona, dull and uninspiring. A genuine, honest, caring leader. Exciting? What someone like Diego Maradona perhaps? The dismissal of Croatia buy the public, the media and the pundits was embarrassing You are being selective here - Rio Ferdinand and one or two flag-wavers must have really upset you - the majority called it 50/50. Getting behind your team is not embarassing! ...but the best team won on the nightVery fine margins - England could have had it sown up by half time. Stones should have scored with the header in the 1st half of extra time, but all that you conveniently forgot. ...the next European Championship which is far harder and of much higher quality than the World Cup. It's been better but there is much work to do.You could have saved yourself all the negative shite be just posting this and many would have agreed with you.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 14, 2018 17:18:25 GMT 1
5 matches without a goal from open play. 3 wins, 3 defeats and a draw. The 3 wins v very poor teams. I refer you to the "why England cannot win the world cup" thread. We are OK in groups with Latvia and Slovakia...just. Everything i lost on Poland i got back laying England. So why as an England fan did you want them in the same half of the draw as France, Brazil etc ? Also why were you imploring everyone to buy plane tickets for Moscow for the final ? I did not want them in that half of course...i also dont want them to lose....if you are going to win it then go for it. Belgium won the game...somebody had to. Did England look like they were trying to lose v Belgium? I think not. Flights and hotels are cancellable...its 2018 pal. Visas take a week and had England beat Croatia it would have been a once in a lifetime trip. I was trying to give Town fans a heads up. We were playing Croatia in the semi...not Germany or Brazil. It was winnable. England will never win anything ever again....that is how far away they are. As i said at the outset..."18/1 to win it and i would not back them at treble that". It is a simple premise...promised much, delivered nothing. Beat no-one, not played well, lacking technical, skilful players. We have competed...but so did everyone else. Only a couple of teams really let themselves down.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 14, 2018 17:20:08 GMT 1
5 matches without a goal from open play. 3 wins, 3 defeats and a draw. The 3 wins v very poor teams. I refer you to the "why England cannot win the world cup" thread. We are OK in groups with Latvia and Slovakia...just. Everything i lost on Poland i got back laying England. Yeah, but we were a lot closer than your post suggests... Which country are you supporting at the Euros if we're not doing it for you? I will support England as ever. I did not let 47 years of misery with Town stop me from supporting them. England are like a "journeyman" boxer. Keep taking the blows in the hope of one big payday....but it never happens.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 14, 2018 17:25:06 GMT 1
So why as an England fan did you want them in the same half of the draw as France, Brazil etc ? Also why were you imploring everyone to buy plane tickets for Moscow for the final ? I did not want them in that half of course...i also dont want them to lose....if you are going to win it then go for it. Belgium won the game...somebody had to. Did England look like they were trying to lose v Belgium? I think not. Flights and hotels are cancellable...its 2018 pal. Visas take a week and had England beat Croatia it would have been a once in a lifetime trip. I was trying to give Town fans a heads up. We were playing Croatia in the semi...not Germany or Brazil. It was winnable. England will never win anything ever again....that is how far away they are. As i said at the outset..."18/1 to win it and i would not back them at treble that". It is a simple premise...promised much, delivered nothing. Beat no-one, not played well, lacking technical, skilful players. We have competed...but so did everyone else. Only a couple of teams really let themselves down. Rewind .. you didn’t want them in that half of the draw . But you kicked off when we made it far less likely that was ever going to happen . You were more arsed about us winning a game against Belgium than you were what side of the draw we were in . As usual you are a walking contradiction
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 17:53:03 GMT 1
At least I can remove ITV from my channels now.
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