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Post by artysid on Dec 23, 2018 10:50:47 GMT 1
I won't be calling for Wagner to go, but that does not mean he's beyond criticism.
I've been able to rationlize every defeat apart from Watford up until Newcastle (though I'm sceptical if we would have won the Brighton game even with 11 men), but I feel the last two defeats have ripped the hope and belief out of many of us.
Newcastle were crap, but we lost (and still wouldn't have scored if we were still playing) and yesterdays performance was the worst I've witnessed since Wagner took over.
Our attack (I use that word reservedly) is slow, ponderous, unimaginative, and predicable. As another poster says Lossl always wait for their defence to get into position before clearing the ball - this style of play has to be down to the coaching and game plan IMO. We are reluctant to shoot from outside the box (yet ironically our goals against Wolves and again yesterday have all been from outside the box. Gegenpressing has all but disappeared in most games along with the terrier spirit that galvanised and unified us.
Maybe Wagner knows better than us that this squad hasn't the individual ability to beat teams in this division without setting up defensively and hoping for a lucky break. I don't know but I do know it's dull and demoralising at the moment.
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 23, 2018 10:56:11 GMT 1
Wagner has earned the right to lead us in the Championship and try and get us promoted. Whether he wants to is another question. The reality is though that our now deep rooted long standing slump (5 wins out of 35 matches this year) and inability to score goals from a Team he manages means his stock is not what it was 12 months ago. He is not now as desirable as he was and the suitors at decent sized Clubs I don't think are as readily waiting in the wings now. That changes the dynamics for me as he may now be thinking he needs to stay at Town longer term rather than being able to pretty much take his pick of other Clubs (to an extent) which he could have done 12 months ago. Do you think he could get us promoted back to the Premier League on minus goal difference again? he wouldnt last two minutes if the attendance starts dropping,fans will only put up with watching 90 minutes of back passing for so long Based on what is going on this season I don't. But I also didn't think any other Manager will in the first season either. I just feel he has earned the right to remain, however, things cannot continue like this indefinitely (and by that I mean we would need to start scoring goals and winning some matches one level down). We have forgotten what it is like to win which has really set in. Unsurprisingly when we have only managed it 5 times out of 35 matches this year. It's amazing what a few wins does for confidence and the impact that has in the stands, unfortunately it won't now happen this season at this level, it will though return next season and with big away followings, although yes lower but still good attendances from Town fans, the feel good factor can and will return. I see Wagner being part of that.
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Post by space hardware on Dec 23, 2018 10:59:11 GMT 1
I said it in the match thread, yesterday felt like a tipping point for a lot of fans around me.
The negative initial set up, the painful passing around in our own half, Lössl taking an age with the ball at his feet when we were losing, the like for like substitution at 0-2 etc.
The fans have been brilliant and extremely patient, I feel. But positivity can only go on so long when you are losing so regularly and as timidly as the last two games. We appreciate where we've come from and how far above our weight we've been punching but there seems to be a resignation to our fate from top to bottom.
I don't want DW to go but I do want him to try something different. Five at the back at home to a team who had won twice all season just doesn't cut it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 10:59:15 GMT 1
Here’s hoping that I’m right in believing that DH is an astute business man that has that natural bit of fortune that self made people have. People are rightly entitled to there opinion I’m happy with that. Exeter, Torquay, Peterborough Carlisle yep been to them all over the years. Did we ever expect to be realisticly in the prem! That dream may soon be over but maybe not. Would it not be better to be trying to compete with the big boys but missing out and going back to the championship and giving it another go. I would obviously prefer to stay up of course but would rather see my club financially stable improving facilities for the players and the fans a like. Making this club sustainable was always the goal, not challenging for Europe, that may come in time but get a grip. We probably went up a little too soon without the necessary structure in place. Wagner was brought in by an astute management team with an eye on the future. Even if we get relegated we need to keep that consistency and allow/persuade Wagner to finish the job. This was a long term view not a quick buzz for fickle fans. I’d rather not be a Portsmouth, Bolton, Blackburn or whoever I’d rather just see Town competing and dreaming and giving us more memories to look back on. The upward trend was always going to stop but it’s not impossible to turn around although I do agree unlikely. Let’s get behind the club. The manger can’t stop players making mistakes. As you can tell I believe DW is the right man to really put his identity and mark in this club and if that means a step back so be it. But it’s not over just yet. 2 lucky wins!! I get your sentiments but if you liken it to business, it’s a damn sight harder to write new business than it is to renew existing business. Ask any salesman. If we go down (and don’t get me wrong, I never thought we’d be here forever), it’s not a foregone conclusion we will come straight back up again. It could take years. or more likely never.
These two seasons will become a blip in our history rather like Bradford or Barnsley.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 10:59:29 GMT 1
Do you think he could get us promoted back to the Premier League on minus goal difference again? he wouldnt last two minutes if the attendance starts dropping,fans will only put up with watching 90 minutes of back passing for so long Based on what is going on this season I don't. But I also didn't think any other Manager will in the first season either. I just feel he has earned the right to remain, however, things cannot continue like this indefinitely (and by that I mean we would need to start scoring goals and winning some matches one level down). We have forgotten what it is like to win which has really set in. Unsurprisingly when we have only managed it 5 times out of 35 matches this year. It's amazing what a few wins does for confidence and the impact that has in the stands, unfortunately it won't now happen this season at this level, it will though return next season and with big away followings, although yes lower but still good attendances from Town fans, the feel good factor can and will return. I see Wagner being part of that. He couldn't get us scoring goals in the Championship though,how can we trust his new signings after this balls up
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Post by Sabre on Dec 23, 2018 11:03:43 GMT 1
Good post Sid.
To be fair we are V.Poor at the moment but Wagner has a limited squad in terms of premiership quality.
I reckon that even if we got rid of DW no other manager could do a lot better with our squad. It’s almost like we set out our stall early on that we weren’t going to last long in the prem and to cut our cloth accordingly.
Anyway, not to worry, worse things happen. Don’t sweat the small stuff. Cheers.
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Post by foxtrot666 on Dec 23, 2018 11:34:44 GMT 1
Good post Sid. To be fair we are V.Poor at the moment but Wagner has a limited squad in terms of premiership quality.
I reckon that even if we got rid of DW no other manager could do a lot better with our squad. It’s almost like we set out our stall early on that we weren’t going to last long in the prem and to cut our cloth accordingly. Anyway, not to worry, worse things happen. Don’t sweat the small stuff. Cheers. The understatement of the year, Southampton had Long and Austin on the bench, neither of them world beaters but still miles better than anybody we can put up front, our piss poor recruitment in the summer is killing us and we are desperate for some quality in the January transfer window but who ever comes in we will be lucky to stay up from this position.
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Post by kennyk2 on Dec 23, 2018 11:46:36 GMT 1
I won't be calling for Wagner to go, but that does not mean he's beyond criticism. I've been able to rationlize every defeat apart from Watford up until Newcastle (though I'm sceptical if we would have won the Brighton game even with 11 men), but I feel the last two defeats have ripped the hope and belief out of many of us. Newcastle were crap, but we lost (and still wouldn't have scored if we were still playing) and yesterdays performance was the worst I've witnessed since Wagner took over.Our attack (I use that word reservedly) is slow, ponderous, unimaginative, and predicable. As another poster says Lossl always wait for their defence to get into position before clearing the ball - this style of play has to be down to the coaching and game plan IMO. We are reluctant to shoot from outside the box (yet ironically our goals against Wolves and again yesterday have all been from outside the box. Gegenpressing has all but disappeared in most games along with the terrier spirit that galvanised and unified us. Maybe Wagner knows better than us that this squad hasn't the individual ability to beat teams in this division without setting up defensively and hoping for a lucky break. I don't know but I do know it's dull and demoralising at the moment. 2016/17 - Fulham home and away, Birmingham away and Wigan and Cardiff at home. 2017/18 - West Ham, Crystal Palace, at home and Arsenal, West Ham and Leicester away. There must be others, these are just off the top of my head.
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Post by CanaryIsleTerrier on Dec 23, 2018 11:50:23 GMT 1
I won't be calling for Wagner to go, but that does not mean he's beyond criticism. I've been able to rationlize every defeat apart from Watford up until Newcastle (though I'm sceptical if we would have won the Brighton game even with 11 men), but I feel the last two defeats have ripped the hope and belief out of many of us. Newcastle were crap, but we lost (and still wouldn't have scored if we were still playing) and yesterdays performance was the worst I've witnessed since Wagner took over.Our attack (I use that word reservedly) is slow, ponderous, unimaginative, and predicable. As another poster says Lossl always wait for their defence to get into position before clearing the ball - this style of play has to be down to the coaching and game plan IMO. We are reluctant to shoot from outside the box (yet ironically our goals against Wolves and again yesterday have all been from outside the box. Gegenpressing has all but disappeared in most games along with the terrier spirit that galvanised and unified us. Maybe Wagner knows better than us that this squad hasn't the individual ability to beat teams in this division without setting up defensively and hoping for a lucky break. I don't know but I do know it's dull and demoralising at the moment. 2016/17 - Fulham home and away, Birmingham away and Wigan and Cardiff at home. 2017/18 - West Ham, Crystal Palace, at home and Arsenal, West Ham and Leicester away. There must be others, these are just off the top of my head. Liverpool and Chelsea at home last season weren’t great either.
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Post by willo on Dec 23, 2018 11:51:53 GMT 1
I won't be calling for Wagner to go, but that does not mean he's beyond criticism. I've been able to rationlize every defeat apart from Watford up until Newcastle (though I'm sceptical if we would have won the Brighton game even with 11 men), but I feel the last two defeats have ripped the hope and belief out of many of us. Newcastle were crap, but we lost (and still wouldn't have scored if we were still playing) and yesterdays performance was the worst I've witnessed since Wagner took over. Our attack (I use that word reservedly) is slow, ponderous, unimaginative, and predicable. As another poster says Lossl always wait for their defence to get into position before clearing the ball - this style of play has to be down to the coaching and game plan IMO. We are reluctant to shoot from outside the box (yet ironically our goals against Wolves and again yesterday have all been from outside the box. Gegenpressing has all but disappeared in most games along with the terrier spirit that galvanised and unified us. Maybe Wagner knows better than us that this squad hasn't the individual ability to beat teams in this division without setting up defensively and hoping for a lucky break. I don't know but I do know it's dull and demoralising at the moment. Probably the most measured post I have read since the end of yesterday’s game. 👏
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Post by pikeylewis on Dec 23, 2018 11:56:36 GMT 1
The players play for him week in week out at maximum effort. The most fitting way to judge a coach along with having an identity which we evidently also have. Preset yabhideous foolet youbok mate and the old man xxx All good Ains he got pissed up Black Friday the hideous bassa x
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Post by Ibiza Town on Dec 23, 2018 12:01:05 GMT 1
I won't be calling for Wagner to go, but that does not mean he's beyond criticism. I've been able to rationlize every defeat apart from Watford up until Newcastle (though I'm sceptical if we would have won the Brighton game even with 11 men), but I feel the last two defeats have ripped the hope and belief out of many of us. Newcastle were crap, but we lost (and still wouldn't have scored if we were still playing) and yesterdays performance was the worst I've witnessed since Wagner took over. Our attack (I use that word reservedly) is slow, ponderous, unimaginative, and predicable. As another poster says Lossl always wait for their defence to get into position before clearing the ball - this style of play has to be down to the coaching and game plan IMO. We are reluctant to shoot from outside the box (yet ironically our goals against Wolves and again yesterday have all been from outside the box. Gegenpressing has all but disappeared in most games along with the terrier spirit that galvanised and unified us. Maybe Wagner knows better than us that this squad hasn't the individual ability to beat teams in this division without setting up defensively and hoping for a lucky break. I don't know but I do know it's dull and demoralising at the moment. I Agree with this. Calls for him to go are ridiculous. Up a few games ago we were playing well, despite our dire attacking deficiencies, but we had little luck. We even played very well at Arsenal and deserved a point. Calls for him to go are crazy, but he deserves heavy criticism for the set up and attitude towards the Newcastle and Southampton (and probably Cardiff) games. They were set up not to lose instead of to win. The players looked constrained and now devoid of confidence or imagination. Now is the time for DW to show if he himself is real Prem quality and turn around a sinking ship. The players need to get back to the confidence (or instructions) to get the ball and think FORWARD and CREATE rather than play safe. This is the most difficult of tasks. I hope he can for us and for him
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Post by artysid on Dec 23, 2018 12:15:32 GMT 1
I won't be calling for Wagner to go, but that does not mean he's beyond criticism. I've been able to rationlize every defeat apart from Watford up until Newcastle (though I'm sceptical if we would have won the Brighton game even with 11 men), but I feel the last two defeats have ripped the hope and belief out of many of us. Newcastle were crap, but we lost (and still wouldn't have scored if we were still playing) and yesterdays performance was the worst I've witnessed since Wagner took over.Our attack (I use that word reservedly) is slow, ponderous, unimaginative, and predicable. As another poster says Lossl always wait for their defence to get into position before clearing the ball - this style of play has to be down to the coaching and game plan IMO. We are reluctant to shoot from outside the box (yet ironically our goals against Wolves and again yesterday have all been from outside the box. Gegenpressing has all but disappeared in most games along with the terrier spirit that galvanised and unified us. Maybe Wagner knows better than us that this squad hasn't the individual ability to beat teams in this division without setting up defensively and hoping for a lucky break. I don't know but I do know it's dull and demoralising at the moment. 2016/17 - Fulham home and away, Birmingham away and Wigan and Cardiff at home. 2017/18 - West Ham, Crystal Palace, at home and Arsenal, West Ham and Leicester away. There must be others, these are just off the top of my head. I'm not suggesting everyone should have the same opinion as me. You're entitled to yours - That said I thought we played well against Arsenal last season. Conceded an early goal then matched them until 70mins when they got 3 quick goals - the first of which was offside IMO. But it's all about opinions Not once did I walk away from a match last season (or this) as dejected as yesterday & last Saturday.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 23, 2018 12:30:30 GMT 1
You say he's still learning? Well why doesn't he try something new instead of the same players and formation every week. He had the perfect opportunity to mix it up against Bournemouth, arsenal and Newcastle but chose not to.
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Post by arroloui on Dec 23, 2018 12:33:03 GMT 1
Befour yesterdays game most of us would have said we are one players Mybe 2 short of a good team that could get out of this mess.... After yesterdays, game I left the game thinking we are 11 player's short of a good team ...there is simply no hope anymore...this team would struggle in the championship next season..
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Post by artysid on Dec 23, 2018 12:33:59 GMT 1
You say he's still learning? Well why doesn't he try something new instead of the same players and formation every week. He had the perfect opportunity to mix it up against Bournemouth, arsenal and Newcastle but chose not to. Who you talking to Ted? cos I didn't say that.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Dec 23, 2018 12:35:57 GMT 1
I could throw loads of names at you; the likes of Carvahal etc or ones who are abroad and untested similar to Southampton's new manager. But personally, moyes Moyes is suddenly looking good. Carvahal... 😂😂😂😂😱 One bad job doesn't make a bad manager. I wouldn't vote for him as I don't think he's right but the team isn't far from his mould so it wouldn't be too bad him coming in. I also like karanka but he suffered the same defeatist change of attitude that Wagner has in the premier League.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Dec 23, 2018 12:37:27 GMT 1
Befour yesterdays game most of us would have said we are one players Mybe 2 short of a good team that could get out of this mess.... After yesterdays, game I left the game thinking we are 11 player's short of a good team ...there is simply no hope anymore...this team would struggle in the championship next season.. Befour.....that's the best one yet 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 23, 2018 12:38:19 GMT 1
You say he's still learning? Well why doesn't he try something new instead of the same players and formation every week. He had the perfect opportunity to mix it up against Bournemouth, arsenal and Newcastle but chose not to. Who you talking to Ted? cos I didn't say that. No it wasn't you I was quoting pal. I missed the quote button.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 12:44:02 GMT 1
You say he's still learning? Well why doesn't he try something new instead of the same players and formation every week. He had the perfect opportunity to mix it up against Bournemouth, arsenal and Newcastle but chose not to. Who you talking to Ted? cos I didn't say that. Be grateful he’s not calling you a c*** for defending the club.
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Post by faffa on Dec 23, 2018 12:44:48 GMT 1
Here’s hoping that I’m right in believing that DH is an astute business man that has that natural bit of fortune that self made people have. People are rightly entitled to there opinion I’m happy with that. Exeter, Torquay, Peterborough Carlisle yep been to them all over the years. Did we ever expect to be realisticly in the prem! That dream may soon be over but maybe not. Would it not be better to be trying to compete with the big boys but missing out and going back to the championship and giving it another go. I would obviously prefer to stay up of course but would rather see my club financially stable improving facilities for the players and the fans a like. Making this club sustainable was always the goal, not challenging for Europe, that may come in time but get a grip. We probably went up a little too soon without the necessary structure in place. Wagner was brought in by an astute management team with an eye on the future. Even if we get relegated we need to keep that consistency and allow/persuade Wagner to finish the job. This was a long term view not a quick buzz for fickle fans. I’d rather not be a Portsmouth, Bolton, Blackburn or whoever I’d rather just see Town competing and dreaming and giving us more memories to look back on. The upward trend was always going to stop but it’s not impossible to turn around although I do agree unlikely. Let’s get behind the club. The manger can’t stop players making mistakes. As you can tell I believe DW is the right man to really put his identity and mark in this club and if that means a step back so be it. But it’s not over just yet. 2 lucky wins!! I get your sentiments but if you liken it to business, it’s a damn sight harder to write new business than it is to renew existing business. Ask any salesman. If we go down (and don’t get me wrong, I never thought we’d be here forever), it’s not a foregone conclusion we will come straight back up again. It could take years. Does it matter if it takes years? It’s about getting the right structures and foundations in place for the future so young players want to come as the culture and identity is in place
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 23, 2018 12:48:17 GMT 1
Who you talking to Ted? cos I didn't say that. Be grateful he’s not calling you a c*** for defending the club. Slating the fans isn't defending the club.
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Post by worthington on Dec 23, 2018 12:49:05 GMT 1
Southampton was my first live match this season (have seen a few online) . Depressing experience.
Everything was wrong. I'm not a manager but before kick off I said without Hogg or Williams and with only two midfielders, both of who are ball players but not tacklers, Redmond would weave his way round and between us.
First half there was no plan, no attacking shape, just long balls to two strikers who can't jump, and occasional chips forward for Mbenza to lumber after it and watch it reach their keeper
Second half was a bit better and when Kachunga came on and we suddenly had three attackers across the front there was a bit of shape and structure to the attacking, and suddenly, hey presto, the full backs were able to attack too. It was almost like last season, the one in which we survived,
But how is it possible for professional players at any level to cross a football so poorly, sometimes as though it weighs as much as a medicine ball?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 12:49:13 GMT 1
I won't be calling for Wagner to go, but that does not mean he's beyond criticism. I've been able to rationlize every defeat apart from Watford up until Newcastle (though I'm sceptical if we would have won the Brighton game even with 11 men), but I feel the last two defeats have ripped the hope and belief out of many of us. Newcastle were crap, but we lost (and still wouldn't have scored if we were still playing) and yesterdays performance was the worst I've witnessed since Wagner took over. Our attack (I use that word reservedly) is slow, ponderous, unimaginative, and predicable. As another poster says Lossl always wait for their defence to get into position before clearing the ball - this style of play has to be down to the coaching and game plan IMO. We are reluctant to shoot from outside the box (yet ironically our goals against Wolves and again yesterday have all been from outside the box. Gegenpressing has all but disappeared in most games along with the terrier spirit that galvanised and unified us. Maybe Wagner knows better than us that this squad hasn't the individual ability to beat teams in this division without setting up defensively and hoping for a lucky break. I don't know but I do know it's dull and demoralising at the moment. I Agree with this. Calls for him to go are ridiculous. Up a few games ago we were playing well, despite our dire attacking deficiencies, but we had little luck. We even played very well at Arsenal and deserved a point. Calls for him to go are crazy, but he deserves heavy criticism for the set up and attitude towards the Newcastle and Southampton (and probably Cardiff) games. They were set up not to lose instead of to win. The players looked constrained and now devoid of confidence or imagination. Now is the time for DW to show if he himself is real Prem quality and turn around a sinking ship. The players need to get back to the confidence (or instructions) to get the ball and think FORWARD and CREATE rather than play safe. This is the most difficult of tasks. I hope he can for us and for him Yep any wide players should’ve been in for full backs in wing back roles in the last two. The players were inept of passengers. Wagner defo at fault for that. We were always going to struggle without Mooy. It’s a major issue that we’ve spent 3,4 or 5 times again what we spent on him with no one near his level. But we’re by no means gone yet.
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Post by worthington on Dec 23, 2018 12:58:21 GMT 1
The problem with calling for a manager's resignation when at the bottom of the league is that you're only ever one win away from feeling much better about everything.
It's a bit like depression in that respect.,
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Post by shelterr on Dec 23, 2018 17:54:37 GMT 1
Having read the posts on here, my thoughts are this: David Wagner got us promoted and we all enjoyed that season. However the danger signs were there them. We didn't score enough and were promoted with a negative goal difference. Therefore needed to be addressed in the transfer window prior to our first season in the premier league.
We took a punt on Depoitre and Mounie believing a new start and challenge for them would benefits both the team and them. A good start to mid December 17, then saw the sort of results we're seeing now. We did manage to stay up, Depoitre scoring at Chelsea. But although we were getting results to that point, goals were proving hard to come by from mid-Dec. We didn't get anyone of note (Kongolo excepted) in the Jan 18 Transfer window. At the end of the season, it seemed obvious to many people we still needed attacking prowess. We signed Sobhi from Stoke (relegated), and really until the last few games only Kongolo has been a regular in the team. What does that say about the signings?
The way Town were playing deserved better results, it was our attack letting us down. Against Newcastle the performance, for me, was adequate but not great. Against Southampton, very poor.
Whilst I think David Wagner has done a good job, I do wonder whether he can change the way the team plays. An example being any throw in near the opposition's penalty area is left for Billing with most Town players congregating too far away at the opposite side of the penalty area with the result 9 out of 10 times the defenders head the ball clear. Why do we persist with that game in game out with so little success. Any team playing us knows what we are going to do.
So, I wonder whether we need someone to support DW as opposed to losing him - who would we get? Those mentioned elsewhere don't seem right in many people's view. But perhaps an attacking coach could work with DW, if DW would agree to that. Seems DW could learn something and we could get the results we need.
Either way, we need some proven premiership players. A midfielder to cover Mooy and Williams absence, possibly a winger, but certainly some strikers. We also need to get the ball forward especially at home.
Until January and we get someone, I'd give Quaner and/or Kachunga a go - they might not be top quality but they may have more desire than those currently selected every game. They may also be a bit more unpredictable for defences.
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Post by sheslucybronze on Dec 23, 2018 22:14:13 GMT 1
I'm afraid this level of cretinosity renders any argument you may have had null and void.
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Post by terrierbite on Dec 23, 2018 22:44:59 GMT 1
Having read the posts on here, my thoughts are this: David Wagner got us promoted and we all enjoyed that season. However the danger signs were there them. We didn't score enough and were promoted with a negative goal difference. Therefore needed to be addressed in the transfer window prior to our first season in the premier league. We took a punt on Depoitre and Mounie believing a new start and challenge for them would benefits both the team and them. A good start to mid December 17, then saw the sort of results we're seeing now. We did manage to stay up, Depoitre scoring at Chelsea. But although we were getting results to that point, goals were proving hard to come by from mid-Dec. We didn't get anyone of note (Kongolo excepted) in the Jan 18 Transfer window. At the end of the season, it seemed obvious to many people we still needed attacking prowess. We signed Sobhi from Stoke (relegated), and really until the last few games only Kongolo has been a regular in the team. What does that say about the signings? The way Town were playing deserved better results, it was our attack letting us down. Against Newcastle the performance, for me, was adequate but not great. Against Southampton, very poor. Whilst I think David Wagner has done a good job, I do wonder whether he can change the way the team plays. An example being any throw in near the opposition's penalty area is left for Billing with most Town players congregating too far away at the opposite side of the penalty area with the result 9 out of 10 times the defenders head the ball clear. Why do we persist with that game in game out with so little success. Any team playing us knows what we are going to do. So, I wonder whether we need someone to support DW as opposed to losing him - who would we get? Those mentioned elsewhere don't seem right in many people's view. But perhaps an attacking coach could work with DW, if DW would agree to that. Seems DW could learn something and we could get the results we need. Either way, we need some proven premiership players. A midfielder to cover Mooy and Williams absence, possibly a winger, but certainly some strikers. We also need to get the ball forward especially at home. Until January and we get someone, I'd give Quaner and/or Kachunga a go - they might not be top quality but they may have more desire than those currently selected every game. They may also be a bit more unpredictable for defences. Good post in particular ref the Billing long throw ,it worked once for us and since then it has been the default position for all offensive throw ins ,we cant get lucky all the time ,agree also about Wagner having somebpdy in t support him ,he needs help and it appears Buhler isnt the main assistant anymore .
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Post by sanchez on Dec 29, 2018 12:59:01 GMT 1
Having read the posts on here, my thoughts are this: David Wagner got us promoted and we all enjoyed that season. However the danger signs were there them. We didn't score enough and were promoted with a negative goal difference. Therefore needed to be addressed in the transfer window prior to our first season in the premier league. We took a punt on Depoitre and Mounie believing a new start and challenge for them would benefits both the team and them. A good start to mid December 17, then saw the sort of results we're seeing now. We did manage to stay up, Depoitre scoring at Chelsea. But although we were getting results to that point, goals were proving hard to come by from mid-Dec. We didn't get anyone of note (Kongolo excepted) in the Jan 18 Transfer window. At the end of the season, it seemed obvious to many people we still needed attacking prowess. We signed Sobhi from Stoke (relegated), and really until the last few games only Kongolo has been a regular in the team. What does that say about the signings? The way Town were playing deserved better results, it was our attack letting us down. Against Newcastle the performance, for me, was adequate but not great. Against Southampton, very poor. Whilst I think David Wagner has done a good job, I do wonder whether he can change the way the team plays. An example being any throw in near the opposition's penalty area is left for Billing with most Town players congregating too far away at the opposite side of the penalty area with the result 9 out of 10 times the defenders head the ball clear. Why do we persist with that game in game out with so little success. Any team playing us knows what we are going to do. So, I wonder whether we need someone to support DW as opposed to losing him - who would we get? Those mentioned elsewhere don't seem right in many people's view. But perhaps an attacking coach could work with DW, if DW would agree to that. Seems DW could learn something and we could get the results we need. Either way, we need some proven premiership players. A midfielder to cover Mooy and Williams absence, possibly a winger, but certainly some strikers. We also need to get the ball forward especially at home. Until January and we get someone, I'd give Quaner and/or Kachunga a go - they might not be top quality but they may have more desire than those currently selected every game. They may also be a bit more unpredictable for defences. I believe DW is the man for us. Just watched Sunderland till i die. Great watch, just shows how a big club can fall. Our chairman is sound and so are the choices he makes. Instead of complainers lets get behind the club we love and support through thick and thin
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 13:04:28 GMT 1
Having read the posts on here, my thoughts are this: David Wagner got us promoted and we all enjoyed that season. However the danger signs were there them. We didn't score enough and were promoted with a negative goal difference. Therefore needed to be addressed in the transfer window prior to our first season in the premier league. We took a punt on Depoitre and Mounie believing a new start and challenge for them would benefits both the team and them. A good start to mid December 17, then saw the sort of results we're seeing now. We did manage to stay up, Depoitre scoring at Chelsea. But although we were getting results to that point, goals were proving hard to come by from mid-Dec. We didn't get anyone of note (Kongolo excepted) in the Jan 18 Transfer window. At the end of the season, it seemed obvious to many people we still needed attacking prowess. We signed Sobhi from Stoke (relegated), and really until the last few games only Kongolo has been a regular in the team. What does that say about the signings? The way Town were playing deserved better results, it was our attack letting us down. Against Newcastle the performance, for me, was adequate but not great. Against Southampton, very poor. Whilst I think David Wagner has done a good job, I do wonder whether he can change the way the team plays. An example being any throw in near the opposition's penalty area is left for Billing with most Town players congregating too far away at the opposite side of the penalty area with the result 9 out of 10 times the defenders head the ball clear. Why do we persist with that game in game out with so little success. Any team playing us knows what we are going to do. So, I wonder whether we need someone to support DW as opposed to losing him - who would we get? Those mentioned elsewhere don't seem right in many people's view. But perhaps an attacking coach could work with DW, if DW would agree to that. Seems DW could learn something and we could get the results we need. Either way, we need some proven premiership players. A midfielder to cover Mooy and Williams absence, possibly a winger, but certainly some strikers. We also need to get the ball forward especially at home. Until January and we get someone, I'd give Quaner and/or Kachunga a go - they might not be top quality but they may have more desire than those currently selected every game. They may also be a bit more unpredictable for defences. I believe DW is the man for us. Just watched Sunderland till i die. Great watch, just shows how a big club can fall. Our chairman is sound and so are the choices he makes. Instead of complainers lets get behind the club we love and support through thick and thin take a bow sir
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