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Post by sameoldstory on Dec 23, 2018 0:34:55 GMT 1
There are some FICKLE bastards on this site !
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Post by Up the Duff. on Dec 23, 2018 0:45:38 GMT 1
Can we have some serious recommendations as to who we think we could get to replace Wagner. I could throw loads of names at you; the likes of Carvahal etc or ones who are abroad and untested similar to Southampton's new manager. But personally, moyes Moyes is suddenly looking good. Carvahal... ššššš±
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Post by champ on Dec 23, 2018 0:50:28 GMT 1
Wagner is responsible for their performance, good or bad. Underperforming businesses will always change their managers before the workers. You think? I have plenty of experience of piss poor Managers throwing their staff under the bus to protect their own arse... But when they're all underperforming and not just one off instances then eyebrows need to be raised as to how they're managed...
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Post by willo on Dec 23, 2018 1:06:44 GMT 1
It pains me to say it but after the last 2 games where we really needed a minimum of 4 points and have got none, it may be time for a change. Today had more than a whiff of relegation about it. Iām pretty convinced now if DW stays, heās taking us down. If the options available are a resignation that we will be relegated under the present manager and people are ok with this, then fine. But we fought so hard to get here, it would be a crying shame to go out with a whimper. Alternatively, we get a guy in who specialises in keeping teams up - Allardyce - and give him the realistic funds to do it. This is always assuming he would come but why wouldnāt he? Itās a chance to manage again in the PL for a club with a decent set-up, fan base and a supportive chairman. And of course he had a season with us as a player back in the 80ās. David Moyes wouldnāt be a bad shout either. DW will always be a legend at Town, best manager most of us have seen here and may ever see here but thereās no room for sentimentally in football. Sorry but I just canāt see beyond relegation if the current manager stays.
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Post by Stewpot on Dec 23, 2018 1:15:49 GMT 1
Championship club, Championship set-up, Championship team, Championship manager. Fine by me. UTT. In Dean We Trust. Except, you need to take into account. - limited budget, thank god. - small squad. - A manger still learning his trade. - An owner, team and manager who has given us more than we dare dream for. ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦.and 3 of our midfield players out through injury. If it wasn't hard enough with our limited squad, it is now with key players missing. If Wagner is happy to stay, I'd be happy to see him have another go next season in the Championship. I still think with the budget he's had to work with he's not done too badly. Last season was a miracle, our luck has now run out, hey-ho, I would still rather it be him than get back on the merry go round of has been managers. If he loses the dressing room and players are not playing for him ok, but if not still better than anyone else that realistically springs to mind. In Premier League terms he hasn't got a very strong hand, has he?
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Post by faffa on Dec 23, 2018 1:17:07 GMT 1
Hereās hoping that Iām right in believing that DH is an astute business man that has that natural bit of fortune that self made people have. People are rightly entitled to there opinion Iām happy with that. Exeter, Torquay, Peterborough Carlisle yep been to them all over the years. Did we ever expect to be realisticly in the prem! That dream may soon be over but maybe not. Would it not be better to be trying to compete with the big boys but missing out and going back to the championship and giving it another go. I would obviously prefer to stay up of course but would rather see my club financially stable improving facilities for the players and the fans a like. Making this club sustainable was always the goal, not challenging for Europe, that may come in time but get a grip. We probably went up a little too soon without the necessary structure in place. Wagner was brought in by an astute management team with an eye on the future. Even if we get relegated we need to keep that consistency and allow/persuade Wagner to finish the job. This was a long term view not a quick buzz for fickle fans. Iād rather not be a Portsmouth, Bolton, Blackburn or whoever Iād rather just see Town competing and dreaming and giving us more memories to look back on. The upward trend was always going to stop but itās not impossible to turn around although I do agree unlikely. Letās get behind the club. The manger canāt stop players making mistakes. As you can tell I believe DW is the right man to really put his identity and mark in this club and if that means a step back so be it. But itās not over just yet. 2 lucky wins!!
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Post by willo on Dec 23, 2018 1:19:55 GMT 1
Except, you need to take into account. - limited budget, thank god. - small squad. - A manger still learning his trade. - An owner, team and manager who has given us more than we dare dream for. ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦.and 3 of our midfield players out through injury. If it wasn't hard enough with our limited squad, it is now with key players missing.Ā If Wagner is happy to stay, I'd be happy to see him have another go next season in the Championship. I still think with the budget he's had to work with he's not done too badly. Last season was a miracle, our luck has now run out, hey-ho, I would still rather it be him than get back on the merry go round of has been managers. If he loses the dressing room and players are not playing for him ok, but if not still better than anyone else that realistically springs to mind. In Premier League terms he hasn't got a very strong hand, has he? I watched him on the touch line today and listened to his post-match interview and he has certainly been less animated of late and seemed pretty downbeat after another defeat. Maybe he is fresh out of new ideas?
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Post by arry11 on Dec 23, 2018 1:23:44 GMT 1
If we were playing dross every week then i could put up with the whingers. Wagners as earnt the right to finish his job here the team have been transformed since he took over and gave the public of our fair Town something to sing about. Lots of things are conspiring against us at the moment Injuries, bad refs etc stop bleating and pop you're dummies back in.
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Post by willo on Dec 23, 2018 1:24:55 GMT 1
Hereās hoping that Iām right in believing that DH is an astute business man that has that natural bit of fortune that self made people have. People are rightly entitled to there opinion Iām happy with that. Exeter, Torquay, Peterborough Carlisle yep been to them all over the years. Did we ever expect to be realisticly in the prem! That dream may soon be over but maybe not. Would it not be better to be trying to compete with the big boys but missing out and going back to the championship and giving it another go. I would obviously prefer to stay up of course but would rather see my club financially stable improving facilities for the players and the fans a like. Making this club sustainable was always the goal, not challenging for Europe, that may come in time but get a grip. We probably went up a little too soon without the necessary structure in place. Wagner was brought in by an astute management team with an eye on the future. Even if we get relegated we need to keep that consistency and allow/persuade Wagner to finish the job. This was a long term view not a quick buzz for fickle fans. Iād rather not be a Portsmouth, Bolton, Blackburn or whoever Iād rather just see Town competing and dreaming and giving us more memories to look back on. The upward trend was always going to stop but itās not impossible to turn around although I do agree unlikely. Letās get behind the club. The manger canāt stop players making mistakes. As you can tell I believe DW is the right man to really put his identity and mark in this club and if that means a step back so be it. But itās not over just yet. 2 lucky wins!! I get your sentiments but if you liken it to business, itās a damn sight harder to write new business than it is to renew existing business. Ask any salesman. If we go down (and donāt get me wrong, I never thought weād be here forever), itās not a foregone conclusion we will come straight back up again. It could take years.
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Post by runner76 on Dec 23, 2018 1:27:52 GMT 1
Pretty sure Hoyle wonāt get rid regardless. Like you say if we were playing shite week in week out fair enough but overall weāve played good at times this year just bad luck, bad refs and poor strikers!!
Massive gamble to change manager......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 1:29:19 GMT 1
Pretty sure Hoyle wonāt get rid regardless. Like you say if we were playing shite week in week out fair enough but overall weāve played good at times this year just bad luck, bad refs and poor strikers!! Massive gamble to change manager...... don't forget shit defending too,wank midfield,and crap wingers
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Post by Stewpot on Dec 23, 2018 1:29:31 GMT 1
ā¦ā¦ā¦ā¦.and 3 of our midfield players out through injury. If it wasn't hard enough with our limited squad, it is now with key players missing. If Wagner is happy to stay, I'd be happy to see him have another go next season in the Championship. I still think with the budget he's had to work with he's not done too badly. Last season was a miracle, our luck has now run out, hey-ho, I would still rather it be him than get back on the merry go round of has been managers. If he loses the dressing room and players are not playing for him ok, but if not still better than anyone else that realistically springs to mind. In Premier League terms he hasn't got a very strong hand, has he? I watched him on the touch line today and listened to his post-match interview and he has certainly been less animated of late and seemed pretty downbeat after another defeat. Maybe he is fresh out of new ideas? Maybe for this league with what he has to work with, and with 3/4 players out injured. Next season I would still rather it be him trying to get us back up than some chancer appointed which to be fair is all we would likely get.
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Post by willo on Dec 23, 2018 1:29:47 GMT 1
Pretty sure Hoyle wonāt get rid regardless. Like you say if we were playing shite week in week out fair enough but overall weāve played good at times this year just bad luck, bad refs and poor strikers!! Massive gamble to change manager...... Do nothing, Iām convinced weāre down. But who dares wins
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Post by willo on Dec 23, 2018 1:32:08 GMT 1
As an aside, Dean has sacked previous managers for ābetterā bad runs. Just how much grace has DW got in the tank? Guess weāll soon find out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 1:33:15 GMT 1
Wagner is responsible for their performance, good or bad. Underperforming businesses will always change their managers before the workers. You think? I have plenty of experience of piss poor Managers throwing their staff under the bus to protect their own arse... exactly what happens.
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Post by ACW on Dec 23, 2018 1:39:54 GMT 1
Big sam, jackson or roy keane in. Leave with pride. "Walk now Wagner"? Whether you think he should stay or go, after everything he has achieved at Town he deserves more respect than that. Give your head a fuckin' shake. Jesus wept...
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Post by ACW on Dec 23, 2018 1:46:03 GMT 1
As an aside, Dean has sacked previous managers for ābetterā bad runs. Just how much grace has DW got in the tank? Guess weāll soon find out. Previous managers didn't get us into the fuckin' Premier League and then keep us up when everyone thought we would be certainties for relegation.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Dec 23, 2018 1:47:29 GMT 1
Pretty sure Hoyle wonāt get rid regardless. Like you say if we were playing shite week in week out fair enough but overall weāve played good at times this year just bad luck, bad refs and poor strikers!! Massive gamble to change manager...... don't forget shit defending too,wank midfield,and crap wingers Yeah but apart from that we're doing really well. The 26 points from our last 38 games isn't anything to be concerned about The 23 goals in the last 38 games is just a blip too. We'll start knocking the goals in again any day now, just you wait and see
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Post by ACW on Dec 23, 2018 1:51:47 GMT 1
don't forget shit defending too,wank midfield,and crap wingers Yeah but apart from that we're doing really well. The 26 points from our last 38 games isn't anything to be concerned about The 23 goals in the last 38 games is just a blip too. We'll start knocking the goals in again any day now, just you wait and see Yeah, and simply changing the manager will suddenly get our players playing like superstars.
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Post by willo on Dec 23, 2018 1:52:28 GMT 1
Big sam, jackson or roy keane in. Leave with pride. "Walk now Wagner"? Whether you think he should stay or go, after everything he has achieved at Town he deserves more respect than that. Give your head a fuckin' shake. Jesus wept... Irrespective of what we all think, agree with what youāve said there. The title of this thread is very disrespectful.
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Post by shawsie on Dec 23, 2018 1:57:17 GMT 1
Big sam, jackson or roy keane in. Leave with pride. "Walk now Wagner"? Whether you think he should stay or go, after everything he has achieved at Town he deserves more respect than that. Give your head a fuckin' shake. Jesus wept... Therein lies the problem for me.........the lack of respect from some is imho a total disgrace. Tough questions now need asking for sure but the way some are spouting is an absolute embarrassment, considering what the man has done for the club. He might have reached the end of the road - but if so, letās handleit with some dignity eh? Loyalty works both ways.
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 23, 2018 3:16:07 GMT 1
Wagner has earned the right to lead us in the Championship and try and get us promoted. Whether he wants to is another question.
The reality is though that our now deep rooted long standing slump (5 wins out of 35 matches this year) and inability to score goals from a Team he manages means his stock is not what it was 12 months ago.
He is not now as desirable as he was and the suitors at decent sized Clubs I don't think are as readily waiting in the wings now.
That changes the dynamics for me as he may now be thinking he needs to stay at Town longer term rather than being able to pretty much take his pick of other Clubs (to an extent) which he could have done 12 months ago.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Dec 23, 2018 3:18:30 GMT 1
Nick want to say after 8 pint the first was Embarrassing , we mustn't of trained this weekly HAVE, HAVE, FUCKING HAVE. HAVE!
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Post by Headless Chicken on Dec 23, 2018 3:23:04 GMT 1
"Walk now Wagner"? Whether you think he should stay or go, after everything he has achieved at Town he deserves more respect than that. Give your head a fuckin' shake. Jesus wept... Therein lies the problem for me.........the lack of respect from some is imho a total disgrace. Tough questions now need asking for sure but the way some are spouting is an absolute embarrassment, considering what the man has done for the club. He might have reached the end of the road - but if so, letās handleit with some dignity eh? Loyalty works both ways. Big style. Does my tits in when you hear the bleating of some fans, acting like they are hard done to and also saying things like the only loyal people in football are the fans. Simply not changing allegiance is not really a sign of loyalty!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 8:45:36 GMT 1
Big sam, jackson or roy keane in. Leave with pride. "Walk now Wagner"? Whether you think he should stay or go, after everything he has achieved oat Town he deserves more respect than that. Give your head a fuckin' shake. Jesus wept... i love wagner but lets have some perspective. Hes not some bloke off the street offering his spare time to coach a football team, hes a bloke on a hell of alot of money, he doesnt have to work again. Hes done the business, hes a legend but hes lost his way. He has my respect but its time to step aside and give the club (which is our concern) a chance.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 8:50:06 GMT 1
Lack of respect? Hes not getting disrespected one bit. I admire him greatly and that wont change, but i admire lots of people that are uncapable in their jobs. I admire theresa may for her resilience and hardwork, but shes done too. Get a grip, its football, its results. Were huddersfield town and were up with the big boys, as much as i dislike the premier league i want to stay there. Wagners cant do that.
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Post by shawsie on Dec 23, 2018 9:53:39 GMT 1
Lack of respect? Hes not getting disrespected one bit. I admire him greatly and that wont change, but i admire lots of people that are uncapable in their jobs. I admire theresa may for her resilience and hardwork, but shes done too. Get a grip, its football, its results. Were huddersfield town and were up with the big boys, as much as i dislike the premier league i want to stay there. Wagners cant do that. Enoch - he is. I know it's football it's results.....but let's just say we bring a new guy in win 1 then lose 5 - do we ship him out also?! Some of the stuff I have seen on social media and on here is way too strong, and am sick of players getting away with murder with these things.....it's less than a month ago we won two on the spin albeit with better players in the team than now. If Wagner does go I hope we ship out the mediocre fringe lads also .....but when you do that and HAVE to sell your best lads also it can take years to recover.
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Dec 23, 2018 10:30:12 GMT 1
Iāve always wanted Wagner to stay, through thick and thin, but the past few games the players have lost belief and todayās performance was dross, most didnāt try until Billing scored and then they gave up once the Saints had got the next one.
Itās a bad sign that Wagner has seemingly lost the belief of the players that we can win games, five losses in a row and rarely winning before that, and now losing too many of the fans.
Dean needs to either do something drastic in the next few days to try and survive, or shrug his shoulders and prepare for life in the Championship, which in honesty is our natural level at this level of investment and quality of players.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 10:47:46 GMT 1
Wagner has earned the right to lead us in the Championship and try and get us promoted. Whether he wants to is another question. The reality is though that our now deep rooted long standing slump (5 wins out of 35 matches this year) and inability to score goals from a Team he manages means his stock is not what it was 12 months ago. He is not now as desirable as he was and the suitors at decent sized Clubs I don't think are as readily waiting in the wings now. That changes the dynamics for me as he may now be thinking he needs to stay at Town longer term rather than being able to pretty much take his pick of other Clubs (to an extent) which he could have done 12 months ago. Do you think he could get us promoted back to the Premier League on minus goal difference again? he wouldnt last two minutes if the attendance starts dropping,fans will only put up with watching 90 minutes of back passing for so long
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Post by ben1987 on Dec 23, 2018 10:48:46 GMT 1
Iām not even wanting him to walk or be sacked, I just want him to change it up.
5 at the back at home against that mob is inexcusable. Against Man City then fine but not against Southampton.
Recruitment, bring in someone who can inject some life into this stale bunch.
Passing sideways and back, why not try going forward? Be brave, be what you first said when we arrived in the PL. Terrier Spirit? Whereās it gone? No Limits? Have we abandoned that?
Our home was our fortress, now itās just a ticket to an uninspiring slow painful death.
I said it last night and Iāll say it again, if you keep doing the same things youāll keep getting the same results.
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