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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 1:08:16 GMT 1
There’s only 4 types of player we can sign:
Top 6 club unproven squad player eg. Solanke - A punt
A player playing well in the vastly inferior Championship- Also a punt
Another unknown foreign player from France or bundesligue 2. A punt
Squad player from another prem club eg. Puncheon( well we enquired about milijovovic but they weren’t selling) It’s a punt
We didn’t think Barry Horne was gonna come and be absolutely class. Sometimes older pros if they’re hungry to play can have a return to form or st least make an impact of a goal or cross.
It’s easy to sneer and criticise but Dean is doing the best he can without undermining the future of the club which at present is very healthy.
Whoever we get in the least we can do is give them a chance to deliver on the pitch.
The problem of late if that 1 goal even as elusive as they are is not enough for us to win.
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Post by Elioud on Jan 3, 2019 3:56:56 GMT 1
...who we signing next - Lambert & Butler?
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jan 3, 2019 4:06:02 GMT 1
Hoyle: "I'm not going to allow us to sleepwalk into relegation" Fans: "nice one deano, fighting talk" Transfer: Jason puncheon. Deary, deary me. To be fair with his police history for assault maybe that's exactly what we are building for.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jan 3, 2019 4:08:43 GMT 1
Why don't we just recall O'brien and give him some games and look to the future rather than embarrass ourselves further? Fucking Puncheon. I give up. He's not one for giving our honmegrown yougesters a go (Billing excepted) no matter how much potential they have. I've not seen O'Brien but Bradford fans have been raving about him. Also Jack Payne, whilst maybe not PL standard (yet), is certainly no worse than the likes of Sabiri, Bacuna, Diakhaby, Sobhi etc. And could probably fill the hole left by Mooy better than anyone still here
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jan 3, 2019 4:41:29 GMT 1
Why don't we just recall O'brien and give him some games and look to the future rather than embarrass ourselves further? Fucking Puncheon. I give up. He's not one for giving our honmegrown yougesters a go (Billing excepted) no matter how much potential they have. I've not seen O'Brien but Bradford fans have been raving about him. Also Jack Payne, whilst maybe not PL standard (yet), is certainly no worse than the likes of Sabiri, Bacuna, Diakhaby, Sobhi etc. We will certainly have a youthful presence next year. Sabiri, Mbenza, Diakhaby, Bacuna, Brown, O’Brien, Duhaney. Most with youth international experience. If we can sprinkle in some experience like Hogg, Schindler, Kachunga and add some good quality Championship players in positions such as CM, CB and Striker, we’ll be a good shout at bouncing straight back. Wagner to manage and get his mojo back.
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Post by WirralTerrier on Jan 5, 2019 0:03:11 GMT 1
Nothing like DATM to write off a player before he's even started sat on the bench trained held the shirt signed! Just remembered this discussion not long ago.. You didn't even think puncheon was good enough for town when he was in his prime or any better than what we currently have. Now we sign him as 32yr old and he goes straight in the team! Are you being serious? Zaha, bolasie, Gayle, puncheon, even Glenn Murray. All players we would have from that squad here now. All players who are the type of players I thought we would have signed when we went up Ok, now I see you are just wumming. Well played. Are you being serious? Zaha, bolasie, Gayle, puncheon, even Glenn Murray. All players we would have from that squad here now. All players who are the type of players I thought we would have signed when we went up. You do realise that 3 of those 5 were in the Palace team that won promotion from the Championship just like the list you spieled off about Town's Championship players. The two that were signed were Gayle, a punt from (just relegated to League One) Peterboro for 4.5M much like Ince was for us and 1.75M Puncheon, a 28yr old Croydon born Southampton winger - he played in Palace's 2017 winless start and was quickly ousted by Hodgson only appearing as a late sub twice since October. Just bizarre reasoning, trying to defend an even more bizarre OP! You do realise that 3 of those 5 were in the Palace team that won promotion from the Championship just like the list you spieled off about Town's Championship players. The two that were signed were Gayle, a punt from (just relegated to League One) Peterboro for 4.5M much like Ince was for us and 1.75M Puncheon, a 28yr old Croydon born Southampton winger - he played in Palace's 2017 winless start and was quickly ousted by Hodgson only appearing as a late sub twice since October. Just bizarre reasoning, trying to defend an even more bizarre OP! You do realise we are talking about 2014 and not 2017. Puncheon was a good winger then, not sure why your bringing up he was a Croydon born Southampton winger, do they not make good footballers there, plus 28 is a decent age. Gayle scored 10goals that season, not bad. Zaha- huge potential. Bolasie- then signed for a lot of money by Everton. Murray scores a good amount wherever he goes. All those players from then 2014 would get In our team at present. Not sure how you can say they weren't good players and not better than what we have, bizarre!
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jan 5, 2019 0:32:42 GMT 1
Why don't we just recall O'brien and give him some games and look to the future rather than embarrass ourselves further? Fucking Puncheon. I give up. He's not one for giving our honmegrown yougesters a go (Billing excepted) no matter how much potential they have. I've not seen O'Brien but Bradford fans have been raving about him. Also Jack Payne, whilst maybe not PL standard (yet), is certainly no worse than the likes of Sabiri, Bacuna, Diakhaby, Sobhi etc. Jack Payne is not home grown nor a youngster. He is 24 years old and bought in his 20s from Southend.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jan 5, 2019 1:06:50 GMT 1
He's not one for giving our honmegrown yougesters a go (Billing excepted) no matter how much potential they have. I've not seen O'Brien but Bradford fans have been raving about him. Also Jack Payne, whilst maybe not PL standard (yet), is certainly no worse than the likes of Sabiri, Bacuna, Diakhaby, Sobhi etc. Jack Payne is not home grown nor a youngster. He is 24 years old and bought in his 20s from Southend. Lewis O'Brien is and my post was in response to one about him, but I also mentioned Payne as on the evidence we've seen so far, the younger players brought in are no better imo than Payne was when we signed him at 21.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jan 5, 2019 2:22:18 GMT 1
Nothing like DATM to write off a player before he's even started sat on the bench trained held the shirt signed! Just remembered this discussion not long ago.. You didn't even think puncheon was good enough for town when he was in his prime or any better than what we currently have. Now we sign him as 32yr old and he goes straight in the team! Ok, now I see you are just wumming. Well played. You do realise that 3 of those 5 were in the Palace team that won promotion from the Championship just like the list you spieled off about Town's Championship players. The two that were signed were Gayle, a punt from (just relegated to League One) Peterboro for 4.5M much like Ince was for us and 1.75M Puncheon, a 28yr old Croydon born Southampton winger - he played in Palace's 2017 winless start and was quickly ousted by Hodgson only appearing as a late sub twice since October. Just bizarre reasoning, trying to defend an even more bizarre OP! You do realise we are talking about 2014 and not 2017. Puncheon was a good winger then, not sure why your bringing up he was a Croydon born Southampton winger, do they not make good footballers there, plus 28 is a decent age. Gayle scored 10goals that season, not bad. Zaha- huge potential. Bolasie- then signed for a lot of money by Everton. Murray scores a good amount wherever he goes. All those players from then 2014 would get In our team at present. Not sure how you can say they weren't good players and not better than what we have, bizarre! Nice editing Fella! Here's the thread in full for anyone to peruse.... downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/110493/2-forgettable-seasonsYou were complaining that we hadn't signed any exciting players in the PL which you described as "2 forgettable seasons" Now before I start and get criticised for being negative, I'm a fairly positive poster.... (HAVE YOU READ YOUR POSTING HISTORY....LOL)I always thought if we got to the prem it would be exciting from the point of view that we would have access to better players than ever before, see players impact games and make special moments and excite the fans. We haven't signed any of those players really. I'd probably say mooy, Schindler, hogg, billing and vlp are our go to players still for each position or best players. We signed all of them in the championship..... When you listed the 5 players from Palace's second season squad that you claimed were good enough for us, I pointed out that 3 of them were promoted with them from the Championship, a complaint you made about our squad still being largely made up of the promotion winning squad. And the 2 that weren't (Gayle, was a punt from the lower leagues like Ince and Puncheon) wouldn't have been described as exciting had we signed them. Where exactly have I stated that Puncheon was/is not good enough for us? Good luck with that, because I didn't. I described what happened to him at Palace. I trust you are suitably excited by our signing of Puncheon and will be applauding our recruitment now! His signing doesn't excite me if I'm honest and I doubt many others will be excited too, despite that, I obviously wish him well and definitely hope he has a positive effect on us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 4:48:40 GMT 1
...who we signing next - Lambert & Butler? Perhaps we should hedge our bets and sign Benson too? I have always rated Puncheon when he has played against us, so let's just hope he pulls off a good swan song while with us.
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Post by WirralTerrier on Jan 5, 2019 8:48:34 GMT 1
Just remembered this discussion not long ago.. You didn't even think puncheon was good enough for town when he was in his prime or any better than what we currently have. Now we sign him as 32yr old and he goes straight in the team! Nice editing Fella! Here's the thread in full for anyone to peruse.... downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/110493/2-forgettable-seasonsYou were complaining that we hadn't signed any exciting players in the PL which you described as "2 forgettable seasons" Now before I start and get criticised for being negative, I'm a fairly positive poster.... (HAVE YOU READ YOUR POSTING HISTORY....LOL)I always thought if we got to the prem it would be exciting from the point of view that we would have access to better players than ever before, see players impact games and make special moments and excite the fans. We haven't signed any of those players really. I'd probably say mooy, Schindler, hogg, billing and vlp are our go to players still for each position or best players. We signed all of them in the championship..... When you listed the 5 players from Palace's second season squad that you claimed were good enough for us, I pointed out that 3 of them were promoted with them from the Championship, a complaint you made about our squad still being largely made up of the promotion winning squad. And the 2 that weren't (Gayle, was a punt from the lower leagues like Ince and Puncheon) wouldn't have been described as exciting had we signed them. Where exactly have I stated that Puncheon was/is not good enough for us? Good luck with that, because I didn't. I described what happened to him at Palace. I trust you are suitably excited by our signing of Puncheon and will be applauding our recruitment now! His signing doesn't excite me if I'm honest and I doubt many others will be excited too, despite that, I obviously wish him well and definitely hope he has a positive effect on us. Ive not edited anything. The discussion was about me saying our recruitment in attacking areas had been poor for the last 2 years and that those players Palace had when promoted were all players that would go straight in to our team and be better than any signings we had made since coming in to the prem. To that you said - 1.75M Puncheon, a 28yr old Croydon born Southampton winger - he played in Palace's 2017 winless start and was quickly ousted by Hodgson only appearing as a late sub twice since October. Just bizarre reasoning, trying to defend an even more bizarre OP! So in context you were disagreeing with what i said, that he isn't a very good player and that it's bizarre I thought he was better than what we had signed. Just thought it was amusing that's all as your now having a go at people for judging him and now your stating how he's scored more PL goals than any of our midfielders and attackers added together and that he was captain for palace. All things you chose to leave out when saying it was bizarre that I thought he was better than we had signed.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jan 5, 2019 11:27:17 GMT 1
Nice editing Fella! Here's the thread in full for anyone to peruse.... downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/110493/2-forgettable-seasonsYou were complaining that we hadn't signed any exciting players in the PL which you described as "2 forgettable seasons" When you listed the 5 players from Palace's second season squad that you claimed were good enough for us, I pointed out that 3 of them were promoted with them from the Championship, a complaint you made about our squad still being largely made up of the promotion winning squad. And the 2 that weren't (Gayle, was a punt from the lower leagues like Ince and Puncheon) wouldn't have been described as exciting had we signed them. Where exactly have I stated that Puncheon was/is not good enough for us? Good luck with that, because I didn't. I described what happened to him at Palace. I trust you are suitably excited by our signing of Puncheon and will be applauding our recruitment now! His signing doesn't excite me if I'm honest and I doubt many others will be excited too, despite that, I obviously wish him well and definitely hope he has a positive effect on us. Ive not edited anything. The discussion was about me saying our recruitment in attacking areas had been poor for the last 2 years and that those players Palace had when promoted were all players that would go straight in to our team and be better than any signings we had made since coming in to the prem. To that you said - 1.75M Puncheon, a 28yr old Croydon born Southampton winger - he played in Palace's 2017 winless start and was quickly ousted by Hodgson only appearing as a late sub twice since October. Just bizarre reasoning, trying to defend an even more bizarre OP! So in context you were disagreeing with what i said, that he isn't a very good player and that it's bizarre I thought he was better than what we had signed.Just thought it was amusing that's all as your now having a go at people for judging him and now your stating how he's scored more PL goals than any of our midfielders and attackers added together and that he was captain for palace. All things you chose to leave out when saying it was bizarre that I thought he was better than we had signed. You clearly misunderstood the point I was trying to make at the time and even more so now! You criticised US for not added to the Championship squad and then listed 5 Palace players - I made the point and repeated it above that 3 of the 5 you listed were ALSO promoted with Palace - WHY would I do that if I was complaining about the quality of the 5 listed. Answering a previous poster saying that he was not a goal threat with his PL goal stats and asking the Palace fan if he was their captain is in no way contradicting any post I've made on here. Your ability to understand posts and argue points that you imagine others have made due to your lack of comprehension and generally being the most negative plonker IMO is the reason why I blocked you and yet here I am banging my head against a brick wall again - New Year, same shit!
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jan 5, 2019 11:57:32 GMT 1
Jack Payne is not home grown nor a youngster. He is 24 years old and bought in his 20s from Southend. Lewis O'Brien is and my post was in response to one about him, but I also mentioned Payne as on the evidence we've seen so far, the younger players brought in are no better imo than Payne was when we signed him at 21. Maybe, but Payne certainly wasn't up for an EPL campaign and he got much more game time when he was here than them. He may now be good enough in the Champ and it certainly sounds like O'Brien will be eventually, so both could be back and competing for places next year.
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Post by WirralTerrier on Jan 5, 2019 12:35:35 GMT 1
Ive not edited anything. The discussion was about me saying our recruitment in attacking areas had been poor for the last 2 years and that those players Palace had when promoted were all players that would go straight in to our team and be better than any signings we had made since coming in to the prem. To that you said - 1.75M Puncheon, a 28yr old Croydon born Southampton winger - he played in Palace's 2017 winless start and was quickly ousted by Hodgson only appearing as a late sub twice since October. Just bizarre reasoning, trying to defend an even more bizarre OP! So in context you were disagreeing with what i said, that he isn't a very good player and that it's bizarre I thought he was better than what we had signed.Just thought it was amusing that's all as your now having a go at people for judging him and now your stating how he's scored more PL goals than any of our midfielders and attackers added together and that he was captain for palace. All things you chose to leave out when saying it was bizarre that I thought he was better than we had signed. You clearly misunderstood the point I was trying to make at the time and even more so now! You criticised US for not added to the Championship squad and then listed 5 Palace players - I made the point and repeated it above that 3 of the 5 you listed were ALSO promoted with Palace - WHY would I do that if I was complaining about the quality of the 5 listed. Answering a previous poster saying that he was not a goal threat with his PL goal stats and asking the Palace fan if he was their captain is in no way contradicting any post I've made on here. Your ability to understand posts and argue points that you imagine others have made due to your lack of comprehension and generally being the most negative plonker IMO is the reason why I blocked you and yet here I am banging my head against a brick wall again - New Year, same shit! 1.You joined in a debate that was raised by someone else. I didn't raise the palace team, another poster did. 2.the point of that debate was that poster felt those palace players from then werent exiting or would be good enough for the town team we had now. 3. I then said all those 5 players would go straight in to our team and are better players than we have. That palace in the first season in the prem had zaha (Now worth a fortune), bolasie ( later went to Everton for lot of money), Murray, Gayle and puncheon, all 3 better than what we currently have and better signings that we've made. 4. I was then told I was on a wind up and none of those players would have got in the town team. 5. You then join in and completely miss the point by saying 3 of those were in the championship squad. So what?! They were better than what we have and good enough for the prem, that was the arguement I was having. 5.then you say puncheon was a 28yr old, played in a winless run for palace and was dropped by Hodgson. In the context of what was being debated, your basically saying he wasn't a good signing for them and disagreeing that he would have got in our team or is better than what we had ( Which is what we were debating!!) 6.I then brought it up now as thought it was amusing that previously a group of posters including you had been disagreeing that a 28yr old puncheon was good enough for the town team or would be a good signing for us when we came up. And that your now telling people the opposite and arguing he's better than our current team (now as a 32yr old!)by saying he scored more goals than any of them and to not write him off. Which is what i had said to you months ago. So you talk about missing the point and arguing but seems to me you do it all the time.
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Post by explorer on Jan 5, 2019 12:44:48 GMT 1
Wirral....give it a rest. You must be knackered running around from thread to thread defending all your previous (mainly negative, occasionally picky) posts with these long-winded, pompous and boring explanations that nobody really cares about anyway. Life is short, stop wasting it.
I used to get annoyed reading your doomsday posts, now I just glaze over as they are mind-numbingly boring. You need some new material, preferably in the mould of Billy Connolly rather than Jack Dee. Cheer up fella, for pity’s sake.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jan 5, 2019 13:10:08 GMT 1
What time does the club shop open tomorrow? Want to make sure I beat the rush on the printing of all the Puncheon shirts and get mine first Do you need the postcode for the Town ground?
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jan 5, 2019 14:32:46 GMT 1
You clearly misunderstood the point I was trying to make at the time and even more so now! You criticised US for not added to the Championship squad and then listed 5 Palace players - I made the point and repeated it above that 3 of the 5 you listed were ALSO promoted with Palace - WHY would I do that if I was complaining about the quality of the 5 listed. Answering a previous poster saying that he was not a goal threat with his PL goal stats and asking the Palace fan if he was their captain is in no way contradicting any post I've made on here. Your ability to understand posts and argue points that you imagine others have made due to your lack of comprehension and generally being the most negative plonker IMO is the reason why I blocked you and yet here I am banging my head against a brick wall again - New Year, same shit! 1.You joined in a debate that was raised by someone else. I didn't raise the palace team, another poster did. 2.the point of that debate was that poster felt those palace players from then werent exiting or would be good enough for the town team we had now. 3. I then said all those 5 players would go straight in to our team and are better players than we have. That palace in the first season in the prem had zaha (Now worth a fortune), bolasie ( later went to Everton for lot of money), Murray, Gayle and puncheon, all 3 better than what we currently have and better signings that we've made. 4. I was then told I was on a wind up and none of those players would have got in the town team. 5. You then join in and completely miss the point by saying 3 of those were in the championship squad.So what?! They were better than what we have and good enough for the prem, that was the arguement I was having. 5.then you say puncheon was a 28yr old, played in a winless run for palace and was dropped by Hodgson. In the context of what was being debated, your basically saying he wasn't a good signing for them and disagreeing that he would have got in our team or is better than what we had ( Which is what we were debating!!) 6.I then brought it up now as thought it was amusing that previously a group of posters including you had been disagreeing that a 28yr old puncheon was good enough for the town team or would be a good signing for us when we came up. And that your now telling people the opposite and arguing he's better than our current team (now as a 32yr old!)by saying he scored more goals than any of them and to not write him off. Which is what i had said to you months ago. So you talk about missing the point and arguing but seems to me you do it all the time. Miss the point.... Did you or did you not start that thread with a post complaining that we hadn't added quality to our promoted team? After 2 explanations you are STILL droning on..... AGAIN no matter how many times you try to insist on telling me what 'I' was meaning when 'I' posted - Why on earth would I mention the 3 from 5 quoted players were from Palace's Championship promoted team if it wasn't a reference to your OP complaining about Town not improving on our promoted team. ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz REBLOCKED!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 14:42:16 GMT 1
What time does the club shop open tomorrow? Want to make sure I beat the rush on the printing of all the Puncheon shirts and get mine first Ooh searing satire - move over Chris Morris!
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Post by terriers321 on Jan 5, 2019 14:43:15 GMT 1
He’s not a bad signing if two or three others were to come in. Be it loan or permanent I’m not bothered. Puncheon alone is very underwhelming. And is a sign to the supporters of sleepwalking to relegation.
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Post by explorer on Jan 5, 2019 15:22:32 GMT 1
He’s not a bad signing if two or three others were to come in. Be it loan or permanent I’m not bothered. Puncheon alone is very underwhelming. And is a sign to the supporters of sleepwalking to relegation. I can’t recall reading anywhere that we had finished our business? Why worry about it until we know the full story? As Wagner would say...”it makes no sense”...
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Post by terriers321 on Jan 5, 2019 15:29:04 GMT 1
He’s not a bad signing if two or three others were to come in. Be it loan or permanent I’m not bothered. Puncheon alone is very underwhelming. And is a sign to the supporters of sleepwalking to relegation. I can’t recall reading anywhere that we had finished our business? Why worry about it until we know the full story? As Wagner would say...”it makes no sense”... That’s why I said If two or three more were to come in. I was just saying a situation that may or may not unfold. I’m not worried, I believe we are down I’d just like to see performances improved.
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Post by explorer on Jan 5, 2019 15:41:30 GMT 1
I can’t recall reading anywhere that we had finished our business? Why worry about it until we know the full story? As Wagner would say...”it makes no sense”... That’s why I said If two or three more were to come in. I was just saying a situation that may or may not unfold. I’m not worried, I believe we are down I’d just like to see performances improved. I agree with that last bit. Nothing personal, but it just winds me up that so many posters do the “what ifs” with a negative slant. I’d much prefer to see “Ok so Puncheon may not be a world beater but hopefully he could do a job. If we manage to land Maupay and one or even two others we can at least say we tried to do something about our situation” Perhaps I’m just a glass half full person, and we’re looking like an endangered species on here lately! 😉
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