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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 20:46:20 GMT 1
The total negativity from the players has to come from the top.Sideways backwards, sideways, turn backwards, just fuck off Diakhaby was trying things (like a winger should) but spent the match getting shouted at and then dragged off. Kachunga was safe as ever, not beating his man or creating anything and played 90 minutes. Mounié and Depoitre run themselves ragged closing down 2 centre backs and the keeper for 90 minutes and have no zip in their legs to get across their defender on crosses. Says it all for me re Diakhaby. No way should he have been subbed tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 20:47:24 GMT 1
The system is all about not taking risks and defending from the front. The players are completely hamstrung by it. I’ve no doubt Mbenza and Diakhaby have not played as they are too attacking, they will slowly be being trained with a wingback mentality. Wagner needs to loosen the shackles or we are doomed and he will lose the fans completely. Exactly the problem. I'm afraid I don't think he knows how anymore, he appears to have succumbed to the same disorder as Lee Clark did. Millwall changed Clark forever. Sadly, Spurs seem to have done the same to Wagner. Amazing how a man’s whole footballing ethos can be changed by a single match.
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Post by Bojaj Horseman on Jan 5, 2019 20:47:57 GMT 1
Hamer has made at least one serious error, and loads of smaller ones, every time he's played for us apart from the time he got injured after 10 minutes Durm was poor Zanka is a clown, lots of needless aggression and cheap fouls Stankovic hit some awful passes, and is still too slow Lowe linked up well with Diakhaby, aside from that was poor Puncheon is a perfect addition to our style of play Hogg taking the role of keeping it simple and doing the dirty work when there was no dirty work to be done Can't remember anything Bacuna did Diakhaby's ball control still lets him down, but was positive on the few occasions he was given the ball Kachunga seems to have lost all his composure Pritchard remains a lightweight who can't strike a ball cleanly Mbenza was alright, seems like he can actually cross a ball which is a novelty First few minutes Mounie was on I thought he'd score. Completely failed to get any meaningful contact on 3 different headers, it was like he let them hit him Depoitre should never play for town again
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Post by shawsie on Jan 5, 2019 20:48:07 GMT 1
Hogg would be way way down a list of players I'd want to release. If (& despite the mood on this board it IS an if) we go down, he would be (again) an imense player in the championship. If we're expecting Hogg to be our main creative driving force, we truly have lost our way... He was far from immense against a mid table team at that level that made changes today. In fact he was poor - too often slowing it down and one too many touches.
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Post by ColchTerrier on Jan 5, 2019 20:48:22 GMT 1
I wouldn't say I'm a happy clapper, but I am (just) in the DW in camp, however...the subs, formation and team selections have been absolutley baffling for a long time now!
How the hell you can play Hamer today is beyond me - add to that drop Mounie and Mbenza to the bench after their very good performance the other night - I cant get me head around it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 20:49:04 GMT 1
Diakhaby was trying things (like a winger should) but spent the match getting shouted at and then dragged off. Kachunga was safe as ever, not beating his man or creating anything and played 90 minutes. Mounié and Depoitre run themselves ragged closing down 2 centre backs and the keeper for 90 minutes and have no zip in their legs to get across their defender on crosses. Depoitre runs slower than a bloody turtle....he's been league 1 class tonight and not for the first time. First half, he had a chance to intercept a poor header from the centre half intended for the left back. I would put it at about 70:30 in his favour and if he gets there, he is in on goal on his own. He never got anywhere near. He shouldn't be anywhere near our team and I hate myself for saying that.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 5, 2019 20:49:08 GMT 1
Diakhaby was trying things (like a winger should) but spent the match getting shouted at and then dragged off. Kachunga was safe as ever, not beating his man or creating anything and played 90 minutes. Mounié and Depoitre run themselves ragged closing down 2 centre backs and the keeper for 90 minutes and have no zip in their legs to get across their defender on crosses. Says it all for me re Diakhaby. No way should he have been subbed tonight. The only player that put any effort in tonight & deserves a start at Cardiff because of it. The rest need dropping for the academy players.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 20:49:48 GMT 1
It's history repeating really. Didn't Wagner take Dortmund II up to Liga 3 and did well for a season or two and then they went to absolute shit with his tactics. Become the same crap week in week out? Correct me if I'm wrong, but when we hired him some of their fans did say it'll be good for a few seasons. Strange scenario we have here
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jan 5, 2019 20:50:16 GMT 1
Hoyle needs to grow a pair ,and do what any other club would have done with Wagner
The man at the top is allowing a clueless manager to take this club down , and we are about to see unwanted record after record broken if he stays at the helm That team today was totally disorganised from front to back , and you certainly would not have know which was the premier league team
Another thing i noticed is how every player looked totally de motivated ,and we have not got one so called premier league player who can shoot on target
Worst player on the field HOGG
WHERE ARE THE FUCKING STRIKER/S WE NEED
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Post by TommyTheTerrier on Jan 5, 2019 20:50:39 GMT 1
If we're expecting Hogg to be our main creative driving force, we truly have lost our way... He was far from immense against a mid table team at that level that made changes today. In fact he was poor - too often slowing it down and one too many touches. Not saying he wasn't poor, but it's like asking Makelele to be the creative force in a team...he has his job, to have a go about passing sideways to more creative players is insane.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 20:51:17 GMT 1
Alternatively, Wagner knows the backup players aren’t good enough and thought that he’d sacrifice us in the cup to make a point to the board about us needing reinforcements.
LDP up front, Bacuna in an advanced midfield role, Kachunga showing all the penetrative threat of a marzipan dildo...
Maybe he’s a wily genius?
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Post by upthetown on Jan 5, 2019 20:51:44 GMT 1
Made my daughter turn off Blaze & the Monster Machines for that. We’re both distraught Child protection have been alerted, you animal!
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jan 5, 2019 20:51:52 GMT 1
Exactly the problem. I'm afraid I don't think he knows how anymore, he appears to have succumbed to the same disorder as Lee Clark did. Millwall changed Clark forever. Sadly, Spurs seem to have done the same to Wagner. Amazing how a man’s whole footballing ethos can be changed by a single match. Peterborough?
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jan 5, 2019 20:52:38 GMT 1
I said all I needed to say after the last defeat. Hardly unexpected this one.
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Post by cuckney on Jan 5, 2019 20:52:47 GMT 1
Surely this is enough to turn the happy clappers against Wegener? He can take his granulomatosis with him! 👏
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Jan 5, 2019 20:53:57 GMT 1
Can anyone please explain the thinking behind our kick offs where we immediately give the opposition a 50/50 chance of gaining possession?
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Jan 5, 2019 20:54:55 GMT 1
Fuck me , looking forward to travelling to Cardiff next Saturday, I must be on crack I was same afte Southampton game, had tickets for Fulham and ended up selling them. No way was I doing a 400 mile round trip to watch that shower. If I hadn't already invested a few hundred in the weekend away I probably wouldn't bother........suppose I could give the game a miss and just go on the lash
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 20:55:17 GMT 1
Millwall changed Clark forever. Sadly, Spurs seem to have done the same to Wagner. Amazing how a man’s whole footballing ethos can be changed by a single match. Peterborough? No. It was Millwall. We were full of gung ho attacking football prior to the first playoff loss. We lost all our swagger after that defeat and far more attritional.
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Post by ACW on Jan 5, 2019 20:55:46 GMT 1
I said recently that I hoped our season didn't start to become embarrassing. Sadly, it's started.
And I get absolutely no satisfaction from saying so.
At the moment I am not confident of Town getting a result against anyone.
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Jan 5, 2019 20:55:48 GMT 1
I said all I needed to say after the last defeat. Hardly unexpected this one. Agree. Everyone should save themselves a lot of work and just keep repeating " may I refer to all my previous posts"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 20:56:08 GMT 1
Can anyone please explain the thinking behind our kick offs where we immediately give the opposition a 50/50 chance of gaining possession? Baffles me too, although I did see Man City do it the other night.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 20:56:30 GMT 1
Can anyone please explain the thinking behind our kick offs where we immediately give the opposition a 50/50 chance of gaining possession? Steady! This two kick offs accounted for 66% of our forward passes!!
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Post by mossleyric on Jan 5, 2019 20:56:44 GMT 1
That was dreadful. In terms of Wagner- going off what Dean Hoyle has said about his previous sackings he will have had meetings with Wagner already, and the main thing he'll have questioned is what Wagner's plan is to get us out of this mess. Wagner will have talked about his planned January transfers to solve this.
Either he has several more players planned and the paperwork hasn't gone through yet, or Puncheon was his plan, in which case he'll be booted out very soon.
As for tonight, anyone under the illusion that we'll be much stronger than most championship teams after we get relegated, there's the evidence that as it stands we clearly won't be. Not being dramatic here - we may go down again or we may end up lower mid table, but we don't have anywhere near enough in attack to be able to put together the winning runs we'd need to climb up the table.
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Post by ciderbob on Jan 5, 2019 20:57:21 GMT 1
Not a classic and not sure we deserved the win but The Very best of luck for rest of season
Done a grand job getting to , and staying in the Prem (Something we can still only dream about ) and hope you can escape this year
and ....we won’t win the TA Cup either !
Genuine best of luck
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Post by ACW on Jan 5, 2019 20:57:43 GMT 1
Can anyone please explain the thinking behind our kick offs where we immediately give the opposition a 50/50 chance of gaining possession? Those kicks offs are a complete waste of time - achieve nothing. Usually it's Zanka stopping the ball for Schindler to hoof it aimlessly up the pitch. I assume someone else had "aimless hoofing" duties today.
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Post by deadleg on Jan 5, 2019 20:59:12 GMT 1
Alternatively, Wagner knows the backup players aren’t good enough and thought that he’d sacrifice us in the cup to make a point to the board about us needing reinforcements. LDP up front, Bacuna in an advanced midfield role, Kachunga showing all the penetrative threat of a marzipan dildo... Maybe he’s a wily genius? This is up there with the classic 'He intentionally had us losing games at the tail end of 16/17 to avoid Fulham in the playoffs'
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Post by Grim on Jan 5, 2019 21:00:23 GMT 1
I think there may well be bigger things going on at the club which mean no big decisions will be taken in the immediate future.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 21:00:45 GMT 1
I wouldn't say I'm a happy clapper, but I am (just) in the DW in camp, however...the subs, formation and team selections have been absolutley baffling for a long time now! How the hell you can play Hamer today is beyond me - add to that drop Mounie and Mbenza to the bench after their very good performance the other night - I cant get me head around it. Wagner has rotated players for midweek games since he arrived. Don't remember Lossl playing in cup matches ever, so why would it be beyond you?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 21:00:51 GMT 1
Alternatively, Wagner knows the backup players aren’t good enough and thought that he’d sacrifice us in the cup to make a point to the board about us needing reinforcements. LDP up front, Bacuna in an advanced midfield role, Kachunga showing all the penetrative threat of a marzipan dildo... Maybe he’s a wily genius? This is up there with the classic 'He intentionally had us losing games at the tail end of 16/17 to avoid Fulham in the playoffs' Akin to cracking off a horse before a big race to protect it’s handicap. Come to think of it, LDP looked tired yet happy...
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Post by Town Duppy on Jan 5, 2019 21:01:47 GMT 1
This is up there with the classic 'He intentionally had us losing games at the tail end of 16/17 to avoid Fulham in the playoffs' Akin to cracking off a horse before a big race to protect it’s handicap. Come to think of it, LDP looked tired yet happy... Perv.
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