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Post by k1man999 on Jan 16, 2019 14:57:44 GMT 1
What's wrong with a Wagner clone but an updated version It's like a DVD player it was great but then blue ray came along does the same thing as DVD player ie watch the same film but in a better quality. Why can't the new man be like DW but just has that bit of extra.
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Post by Tiro on Jan 16, 2019 14:58:24 GMT 1
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jan 16, 2019 14:59:21 GMT 1
it won't be a Wagner clone. What would be the point of trying to re-create that?
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Post by nshackle on Jan 16, 2019 14:59:42 GMT 1
On the plus side Sky might actually talk about us pre and post match, rather than just fawning over City It would be nice if the discussion could be about something other than the 10-1 defeat at Maine Road. Hopefully Andy Hinchcliffe is not part of this weekend's commentary team
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Post by kes on Jan 16, 2019 15:00:08 GMT 1
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Post by pikeylewis on Jan 16, 2019 15:20:15 GMT 1
it won't be a Wagner clone. What would be the point of trying to re-create that? If by clone you mean young, foreign manager in a role akin to Dortmund II there would be every point. That’s exactly what we should be going for. Just because they’d be similar in them aspects doesn’t mean the football would be same, I guarantee it’ll be different. World class football coaches only get to be in them kinds of positions by having their own unique philosophy on football. What I’m trying to say is this guy at Dortmund II doesn’t play the same way Wagner does, but he’ll be an excellent football coach nonetheless.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jan 16, 2019 15:34:38 GMT 1
it won't be a Wagner clone. What would be the point of trying to re-create that? If by clone you mean young, foreign manager in a role akin to Dortmund II there would be every point. That’s exactly what we should be going for. Just because they’d be similar in them aspects doesn’t mean the football would be same, I guarantee it’ll be different. World class football coaches only get to be in them kinds of positions by having their own unique philosophy on football. What I’m trying to say is this guy at Dortmund II doesn’t play the same way Wagner does, but he’ll be an excellent football coach nonetheless. I meant Clone as in everything about him and his football philosophy. I just think if we're going to change then maybe a play style change as well?
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Post by Spike24 on Jan 16, 2019 19:45:04 GMT 1
If by clone you mean young, foreign manager in a role akin to Dortmund II there would be every point. That’s exactly what we should be going for. Just because they’d be similar in them aspects doesn’t mean the football would be same, I guarantee it’ll be different. World class football coaches only get to be in them kinds of positions by having their own unique philosophy on football. What I’m trying to say is this guy at Dortmund II doesn’t play the same way Wagner does, but he’ll be an excellent football coach nonetheless. I meant Clone as in everything about him and his football philosophy. I just think if we're going to change then maybe a play style change as well? This is his preferred formation
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Jan 16, 2019 19:46:35 GMT 1
I can't see Buhler in any of those pictures posted of training. Maybe he has gone?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 19:54:31 GMT 1
What if the appointment is completely Leftfield and Wagner is announced on Sunday as his own replacement after a week’s break in Torremilinos?
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Post by townatheart on Jan 16, 2019 19:56:20 GMT 1
What if the appointment is completely Leftfield and Wagner is announced on Sunday as his own replacement after a week’s break in Torremilinos? To lazy to get an image linked, but just look up "pigs flying"
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Post by drewden on Jan 16, 2019 20:13:21 GMT 1
Look people it’s simple really, Hudson in charge till end of the season, while Wagner as gone on scouting duties, to get the players he wants for next season, then it’s as you were so to speak.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 16, 2019 20:20:01 GMT 1
From that it sounds we'd just get a Wagner clone. Don't we need a fresh approach? I think there is a difference to maintaining a culture and changing your direction completely. The fact we have a change of the man who was almost wholly responsible for where we are (footballing wise) suggests there will be a fresh approach. I would imagine DW was probably pretty unique and the fact he isn't there will certainly be different. I don't see our approach to training and preparation will change. It is interesting that Canalside development has yet to start and would hope that continues as that will move us forward greatly in terms of infrastructure. I don't see us changing our playing style radically but a fresh pair of eyes (on our current squad) may see a change in formation in the short term. My guess is that you will see Hudson adopt a 4-2-3-1 approach on Saturday with Smith coming back in and being linked with Kachunga on the right. Let's face it, we are going to need a miracle to get out of this relegation pickle now, so we may as well go with something that the players are comfortable with. Our new manager is essentially preparing for next season now, unless something very odd/special happens. What we don't need is a radical change in approach or tactics overall. Something different but on the same theme, like a cover version but with a different arrangement if you like. Smith and Kachunga on the right v Man City. Thank fuck I'm working 😨
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 16, 2019 20:22:44 GMT 1
Its a double act of Hudson & Heff coming back as player/managers, that way when we go down a goal we can shove them both up front and we will always remember Wagner (For all the overachievements & genius ideas he came up with, that was definitely an horrendous shout, shoving them two up front) Except when Hefele scored with his arse against Villa... Oh, and when he also scored against Leeds at home! Tbf he wasn't playing up front against the chestwankers he'd just stopped up from a free kick/corner
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jan 16, 2019 20:24:49 GMT 1
I can't see Buhler in any of those pictures posted of training. Maybe he has gone?
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jan 16, 2019 20:25:10 GMT 1
Look people it’s simple really, Hudson in charge till end of the season, while Wagner as gone on scouting duties, to get the players he wants for next season, then it’s as you were so to speak. he cannot be. firstly he does not have the qualifications and secondly if in a caretaker position he would not be allowed to be a caretaker till the end of the season as there is a limit on how many weeks he could do it.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jan 16, 2019 20:29:02 GMT 1
I can't see Buhler in any of those pictures posted of training. Maybe he has gone? Read her 'tweets and replies' instead
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Post by Hammy (still in Golcar) on Jan 16, 2019 20:43:18 GMT 1
I’d love zeljko Buvac Klopps ex number 2, known as the brain. Or Peter Stoger.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2019 20:50:15 GMT 1
I meant Clone as in everything about him and his football philosophy. I just think if we're going to change then maybe a play style change as well? This is his preferred formation 4-4-2 double 6 is definitely the way to go....I think Wagner believed that too but he couldn’t bring himself to trust the 4 so ended up putting defensive players in what should have been the expansive roles. The lads from Monaco would settle straight into this as it’s how Jardim preferred before Thierry Henry took over, and Smith (when he’s back) and Kachunga played out that role on the other side to some good affect in the Championship last time out... Smith Zanka Schindler Kongolo Kachunga Hogg Puncheon Mbenza Mounié Pritchard Hogg and Puncheon camp in the holding roles and effectively we have a front 4 and a decent defensive block to fall back on when possession turns round. Although, I’d like to see Mbenza playing up front and someone else on the left...shame we let VLP (and all the other players who play this position) go.
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Post by londonterrier23 on Jan 16, 2019 20:57:47 GMT 1
it won't be a Wagner clone. What would be the point of trying to re-create that? If by clone you mean young, foreign manager in a role akin to Dortmund II there would be every point. That’s exactly what we should be going for. Just because they’d be similar in them aspects doesn’t mean the football would be same, I guarantee it’ll be different. World class football coaches only get to be in them kinds of positions by having their own unique philosophy on football. What I’m trying to say is this guy at Dortmund II doesn’t play the same way Wagner does, but he’ll be an excellent football coach nonetheless. The football we played was within the context of the division, the opposition, our personnel Not by choice. And we had worked out a good 11 and good formation that was starting to work (wolves away for example) but the squad was always too thin and without sufficient quality. I think had Mooy remained fit, we would have 6 more points and would have been able to get a better striker to take adbanatage of the increasing attacking play we were seeing. Then add better width (more athletic RWB) and we would have all been very happy. Instead, most injured and a bit of had luck and it all capitulated. Really sad. But please don’t talk about the football we played like this was wagners by design. He did amazing given the resources and I don’t know who else would have been able to do so much with so little.
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Post by hypotenuse on Jan 16, 2019 21:01:49 GMT 1
If by clone you mean young, foreign manager in a role akin to Dortmund II there would be every point. That’s exactly what we should be going for. Just because they’d be similar in them aspects doesn’t mean the football would be same, I guarantee it’ll be different. World class football coaches only get to be in them kinds of positions by having their own unique philosophy on football. What I’m trying to say is this guy at Dortmund II doesn’t play the same way Wagner does, but he’ll be an excellent football coach nonetheless. The football we played was within the context of the division, the opposition, our personnel Not by choice. And we had worked out a good 11 and good formation that was starting to work (wolves away for example) but the squad was always too thin and without sufficient quality. I think had Mooy remained fit, we would have 6 more points and would have been able to get a better striker to take adbanatage of the increasing attacking play we were seeing. Then add better width (more athletic RWB) and we would have all been very happy. Instead, most injured and a bit of had luck and it all capitulated. Really sad. But please don’t talk about the football we played like this was wagners by design. He did amazing given the resources and I don’t know who else would have been able to do so much with so little. Well said. I agree with every word.
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Post by londonterrier23 on Jan 16, 2019 21:05:53 GMT 1
Well said. I agree with every word. The Mooy injury was the symptom. The cause was not enough depth. We had got away with it in the Champ and in the survival season in the Prem. Many in here spoke about only needing one or two more. Some of us knew we needed a lot more strength and depth. That was our problem. We gambled on not getting injuries and suspensions and just didn’t have enough to bring in to cover.
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 16, 2019 21:11:41 GMT 1
The Mooy injury was the symptom. The cause was not enough depth. We had got away with it in the Champ and in the survival season in the Prem. Many in here spoke about only needing one or two more. Some of us knew we needed a lot more strength and depth. That was our problem. We gambled on not getting injuries and suspensions and just didn’t have enough to bring in to cover. We had Williams as cover (and Sabiri), it was extra bad luck that Sabiri was injured and Williams got injured immediately after Mooy.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Jan 16, 2019 21:28:50 GMT 1
If by clone you mean young, foreign manager in a role akin to Dortmund II there would be every point. That’s exactly what we should be going for. Just because they’d be similar in them aspects doesn’t mean the football would be same, I guarantee it’ll be different. World class football coaches only get to be in them kinds of positions by having their own unique philosophy on football. What I’m trying to say is this guy at Dortmund II doesn’t play the same way Wagner does, but he’ll be an excellent football coach nonetheless. The football we played was within the context of the division, the opposition, our personnel Not by choice. And we had worked out a good 11 and good formation that was starting to work (wolves away for example) but the squad was always too thin and without sufficient quality. I think had Mooy remained fit, we would have 6 more points and would have been able to get a better striker to take adbanatage of the increasing attacking play we were seeing. Then add better width (more athletic RWB) and we would have all been very happy. Instead, most injured and a bit of had luck and it all capitulated. Really sad. But please don’t talk about the football we played like this was wagners by design. He did amazing given the resources and I don’t know who else would have been able to do so much with so little.There's a sky article that kind of backs up what you are saying. It suggests he may well be better suited to a "top team" (stop sniggering kongolo, I can hear you ). link
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Post by chinaski on Jan 16, 2019 21:29:08 GMT 1
Read her 'tweets and replies' instead What are we reading?
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 16, 2019 21:45:52 GMT 1
The football we played was within the context of the division, the opposition, our personnel Not by choice. And we had worked out a good 11 and good formation that was starting to work (wolves away for example) but the squad was always too thin and without sufficient quality. I think had Mooy remained fit, we would have 6 more points and would have been able to get a better striker to take adbanatage of the increasing attacking play we were seeing. Then add better width (more athletic RWB) and we would have all been very happy. Instead, most injured and a bit of had luck and it all capitulated. Really sad. But please don’t talk about the football we played like this was wagners by design. He did amazing given the resources and I don’t know who else would have been able to do so much with so little.There's a sky article that kind of backs up what you are saying. It suggests he may well be better suited to a "top team" (stop sniggering kongolo, I can hear you ). linkWhat a depressing article
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Post by C.H on Jan 16, 2019 21:51:05 GMT 1
Oddschecker what a con if stoger gets the job!!!
He isn’t even on there
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Post by billy143 on Jan 16, 2019 22:19:17 GMT 1
Oddschecker what a con if stoger gets the job!!! He isn’t even on there 7/2 2nd fav with Skybet. I had a fiver at 20/1 on Tuesday.
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Post by pikeylewis on Jan 16, 2019 22:27:49 GMT 1
If by clone you mean young, foreign manager in a role akin to Dortmund II there would be every point. That’s exactly what we should be going for. Just because they’d be similar in them aspects doesn’t mean the football would be same, I guarantee it’ll be different. World class football coaches only get to be in them kinds of positions by having their own unique philosophy on football. What I’m trying to say is this guy at Dortmund II doesn’t play the same way Wagner does, but he’ll be an excellent football coach nonetheless. The football we played was within the context of the division, the opposition, our personnel Not by choice. And we had worked out a good 11 and good formation that was starting to work (wolves away for example) but the squad was always too thin and without sufficient quality. I think had Mooy remained fit, we would have 6 more points and would have been able to get a better striker to take adbanatage of the increasing attacking play we were seeing. Then add better width (more athletic RWB) and we would have all been very happy. Instead, most injured and a bit of had luck and it all capitulated. Really sad. But please don’t talk about the football we played like this was wagners by design. He did amazing given the resources and I don’t know who else would have been able to do so much with so little. Not sure if that’s in response to me or how you read what I said to warrant your argument? I think Wagner did a miraculous job from start to finish.
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Post by mids on Jan 16, 2019 22:27:56 GMT 1
Oddschecker what a con if stoger gets the job!!! He isn’t even on there 7/1 with Bill Hills
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