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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 27, 2019 15:25:18 GMT 1
That 21 year old man will be a 23 year old man in November. You're jumping to conclusions when you don't have a clue what's gone on. If anything has gone on it shows what a shit show we are if we cant help keep a kid on the straight and narrow. Its poor discipline throughout the club... whatever he has done is just the same as the lack off effort the team has put into getting fit. If you have no leverage over any of the players you do not want or who do not want to be here, your views on getting them to work hard in training and give a shit in the games would no doubt be extremely useful to the clubs management, notwithstanding the fact that no other clubs came in for them at any price and we only managed a last second loan for Mooy and it looks like mounie will be likewise? Your tried and trusted methods of man management over silly footballers is very much wanted? You can of course keep pointing out the faults of the last 18 months which is again productive and informative. You might at some point understand the 3 windows warning issued by the chairman who was clearly never on your X Mass card list. I think he may be an interim 'fit and proper' if that makes you feel any better, the deal having been agreed but with some provisos on each side, their terms taking a little while for us to comply with?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 15:27:07 GMT 1
No doubt Phil will be blamed .... Certainly not for purchasing, but who’s decision is it to just let him go for free? He’s got a say there surely. Not blaming him personally, but that’s a shite decision tbh. Someone would have him on loan and see how he fairs and any suitors come summer.
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Post by townatheart on Aug 27, 2019 15:44:08 GMT 1
That 21 year old man will be a 23 year old man in November. You're jumping to conclusions when you don't have a clue what's gone on. If anything has gone on it shows what a shit show we are if we cant help keep a kid on the straight and narrow. Its poor discipline throughout the club... whatever he has done is just the same as the lack off effort the team has put into getting fit. Have never said this to another poster, even Nick, but please for your own good, just find something else to do with your time.
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Post by Mastercracker on Aug 27, 2019 15:44:21 GMT 1
No doubt Phil will be blamed .... Certainly not for purchasing, but who’s decision is it to just let him go for free? He’s got a say there surely. Not blaming him personally, but that’s a shite decision tbh. Someone would have him on loan and see how he fairs and any suitors come summer. Concerns me more that we have no manager yet players are going out the door. Inbound gaffer might fancy Sabiri and Mounie and have been able to get a tune out of them. Now he doesnt get that chance and cant replace until Jan. Thats not right.
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Post by yellowbelly on Aug 27, 2019 15:45:31 GMT 1
Probably 50% of a wage anyway to pay up a contract DW signed him so it could be Schalke next. It’s a shame, the guy had something
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Post by townatheart on Aug 27, 2019 15:51:40 GMT 1
Certainly not for purchasing, but who’s decision is it to just let him go for free? He’s got a say there surely. Not blaming him personally, but that’s a shite decision tbh. Someone would have him on loan and see how he fairs and any suitors come summer. Concerns me more that we have no manager yet players are going out the door. Inbound gaffer might fancy Sabiri and Mounie and have been able to get a tune out of them. Now he doesnt get that chance and cant replace until Jan. Thats not right. Nah, sorry, but as far as Sabiri goes, while not being ITK, there is enough hinted information about this lad that IMO would make him an exception. He just plain and simple needed to go, and if no other club was interested in taking him on with the apparent garbage he was packing, then the Club has done the best they can in the situation. But do agree the point in regards Mounie, but suspect the decision is going to be made and it will be more financial rather than anything else.
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Post by Mastercracker on Aug 27, 2019 16:03:28 GMT 1
Concerns me more that we have no manager yet players are going out the door. Inbound gaffer might fancy Sabiri and Mounie and have been able to get a tune out of them. Now he doesnt get that chance and cant replace until Jan. Thats not right. Nah, sorry, but as far as Sabiri goes, while not being ITK, there is enough hinted information about this lad that IMO would make him an exception. He just plain and simple needed to go, and if no other club was interested in taking him on with the apparent garbage he was packing, then the Club has done the best they can in the situation. But do agree the point in regards Mounie, but suspect the decision is going to be made and it will be more financial rather than anything else. Where? What have I missed? I know more about his alledged headbutting of his teamate in Germany than I do anything here. He seemed to be back in Wagners plans but then got a bad injury and then was completely jettisoned by Siewert, along with others - Which looking back now seems more like a Siewert/Club issue than players. We were told it was because he wasnt fit, whilst he played for Germany and seemed fine. So by the clubs actions it would seem on the face of it yeah he must be a dick. But im not entirely trusting of the info that comes out of the club atm.
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Post by turbo2 on Aug 27, 2019 16:09:07 GMT 1
Another waste of space that looked good at first glance How many terrible signings did we make when all we needed was a couple of simple improvements Pick the weakest player and replace him with better. How difficult can it be
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Post by E4b on Aug 27, 2019 16:12:05 GMT 1
Probably 50% of a wage anyway to pay up a contract DW signed him so it could be Schalke next. It’s a shame, the guy had something Totally agree, can see this chap going on to do well somewhere.
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Post by townatheart on Aug 27, 2019 16:12:37 GMT 1
Nah, sorry, but as far as Sabiri goes, while not being ITK, there is enough hinted information about this lad that IMO would make him an exception. He just plain and simple needed to go, and if no other club was interested in taking him on with the apparent garbage he was packing, then the Club has done the best they can in the situation. But do agree the point in regards Mounie, but suspect the decision is going to be made and it will be more financial rather than anything else. Where? What have I missed? I know more about his alledged headbutting of his teamate in Germany than I do anything here. He seemed to be back in Wagners plans but then got a bad injury and then was completely jettisoned by Siewert, along with others - Which looking back now seems more like a Siewert/Club issue than players. We were told it was because he wasnt fit, whilst he played for Germany and seemed fine. So by the clubs actions it would seem on the face of it yeah he must be a dick. But im not entirely trusting of the info that comes out of the club atm. I do agree with you there, and I am a dyed in the wool happy clapper type! It has been gossip only, repeat gossip only, but comments (not official by the club by any means), but repeatedly noted, very bad attitude, disruptive with younger players, and without details hints of serious issues ongoing. This before PH so I would tend to give at least some credence to it (especially combined with the history from Germany), but as you say was confused when DW gave him a chance. But again, we don't know for sure, and perhaps he had a chance and then caused trouble again when working his way back from injury. Really do not know.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 27, 2019 16:13:05 GMT 1
Nah, sorry, but as far as Sabiri goes, while not being ITK, there is enough hinted information about this lad that IMO would make him an exception. He just plain and simple needed to go, and if no other club was interested in taking him on with the apparent garbage he was packing, then the Club has done the best they can in the situation. But do agree the point in regards Mounie, but suspect the decision is going to be made and it will be more financial rather than anything else. Where? What have I missed? I know more about his alledged headbutting of his teamate in Germany than I do anything here. He seemed to be back in Wagners plans but then got a bad injury and then was completely jettisoned by Siewert, along with others - Which looking back now seems more like a Siewert/Club issue than players. We were told it was because he wasnt fit, whilst he played for Germany and seemed fine. So by the clubs actions it would seem on the face of it yeah he must be a dick. But im not entirely trusting of the info that comes out of the club atm. PH said in his Q&A for none footballing reasons he'll never play for the club again.
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Post by crux on Aug 27, 2019 16:13:32 GMT 1
Probably 50% of a wage anyway to pay up a contract DW signed him so it could be Schalke next. It’s a shame, the guy had something Terminated not paid.
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Post by Skint Terriers on Aug 27, 2019 16:22:32 GMT 1
Probably 50% of a wage anyway to pay up a contract DW signed him so it could be Schalke next. It’s a shame, the guy had something Terminated not paid. I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure you still have to agree a fee to terminate a contract
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 16:25:08 GMT 1
Certainly not for purchasing, but who’s decision is it to just let him go for free? He’s got a say there surely. Not blaming him personally, but that’s a shite decision tbh. Someone would have him on loan and see how he fairs and any suitors come summer. Concerns me more that we have no manager yet players are going out the door. Inbound gaffer might fancy Sabiri and Mounie and have been able to get a tune out of them. Now he doesnt get that chance and cant replace until Jan. Thats not right. Mad isn’t it? I think Phil is being badly advised by someone on this one. It isn’t his fault as such, but he should be making the appointment and letting the new man run the rule over what’s here and advising them at the top. This could be the DoF say so though....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 16:26:08 GMT 1
I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure you still have to agree a fee to terminate a contract Yes you do. It’s a mutual termination. Here’s x amount thanks and goodbye. You only don’t need to pay should they be in breach of contract, disciplinary etc.
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Post by Mastercracker on Aug 27, 2019 16:29:12 GMT 1
Concerns me more that we have no manager yet players are going out the door. Inbound gaffer might fancy Sabiri and Mounie and have been able to get a tune out of them. Now he doesnt get that chance and cant replace until Jan. Thats not right. Mad isn’t it? I think Phil is being badly advised by someone on this one. It isn’t his fault as such, but he should be making the appointment and letting the new man run the rule over what’s here and advising them at the top. This could be the DoF say so though.... Im not laying anything at the DOF's door, he came in last week and Mounie and especially Sabiri were persona non grata way before then.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 16:29:38 GMT 1
Probably 50% of a wage anyway to pay up a contract DW signed him so it could be Schalke next. It’s a shame, the guy had something Terminated not paid. Which suggests whatever he did broke any chance he had of going through the legal system when his contract was severed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 16:53:08 GMT 1
Mad isn’t it? I think Phil is being badly advised by someone on this one. It isn’t his fault as such, but he should be making the appointment and letting the new man run the rule over what’s here and advising them at the top. This could be the DoF say so though.... Im not laying anything at the DOF's door, he came in last week and Mounie and especially Sabiri were persona non grata way before then. They will all have had a say in it, whether it be a small one. Tbh it lays with PH and whoever else makes the decisions with him behind closed doors. It’s a daft decision, so is Mounie, unless it’s Mounie wanting out which it probably is the case. If he wants to give it a go, it’s a sorry state to not even try him in this league up top. Wonder if we get a replacement in then for one of, if not both? Or will we be told Campbell is Mounies replacement? Can’t wait to see what happens next here. Managerial appointment could be comical or it could be a master stroke
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Aug 27, 2019 16:57:26 GMT 1
Probably 50% of a wage anyway to pay up a contract DW signed him so it could be Schalke next. It’s a shame, the guy had something What did he have?
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Post by jqhtfc on Aug 27, 2019 17:07:01 GMT 1
Signed for paderborn I think
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 17:09:33 GMT 1
I see VLP has ‘applauded’ the news on HTFC officials Instagram post of the news re Sabiri. Quite telling.
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Post by crux on Aug 27, 2019 17:16:35 GMT 1
I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure you still have to agree a fee to terminate a contract Yes you do. It’s a mutual termination. Here’s x amount thanks and goodbye. You only don’t need to pay should they be in breach of contract, disciplinary etc. Maybe I'm reading too much into the word terminated? When we've come to such arrangements before it's usually 'ended by mutual concent'. Which I always took to mean we've come to a financial agreement on your remaining contract. I read 'Terminated' as being, we won't ask for a fee to release your registration and won't pay you anything either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 17:21:42 GMT 1
Yes you do. It’s a mutual termination. Here’s x amount thanks and goodbye. You only don’t need to pay should they be in breach of contract, disciplinary etc. Maybe I'm reading too much into the word terminated? When we've come to such arrangements before it's usually 'ended by mutual concent'. Which I always took to mean we've come to a financial agreement on your remaining contract. I read 'Terminated' as being, we won't ask for a fee to release your registration and won't pay you anything either. Terminated by mutual agreement. He could have refused an offering at first as he has maybe a decent contract. The club may have said its best for all concerned you leave, we will pay x amount of your remaining contract and terminate your employment with HTAFC. Gets him a new club and playing time, gives him a financial cut off deal and also allows us to then not bring someone in to replace him. Last part I’m taking the piss. 😎
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 27, 2019 17:29:33 GMT 1
I see VLP has ‘applauded’ the news on HTFC officials Instagram post of the news re Sabiri. Quite telling. VLP is good mates with Sabiri
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Aug 27, 2019 18:10:53 GMT 1
Releasing Germany u21s for nowt, jesus wept. or pay big wages whilst he runs down his contract . tough one?
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Aug 27, 2019 18:18:09 GMT 1
If anything has gone on it shows what a shit show we are if we cant help keep a kid on the straight and narrow. Its poor discipline throughout the club... whatever he has done is just the same as the lack off effort the team has put into getting fit. Have never said this to another poster, even Nick, but please for your own good, just find something else to do with your time. just block him I did
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Post by linson on Aug 27, 2019 18:50:23 GMT 1
I can't believe the number of mistakes this club is making. I know Sabiri hasn't set the world alight but a new manager could get him going and why limit the new managers choices? He's a German youth international for a reason FFS.
Last year in pre-season he played against some German / Austrian team and he was basically a one man midfield, I saw at that point what I think the scouts saw but he just hasn't had the game time / chances since. He couldn't possibly offer less than Pritchard, so why let him go? Why is Quaner still here but we let this guy go?
If the plan was to get rid of Siewert after so few games, then why have we allowed Zanka and some of the others to leave?
I'm starting to feel like the club is being actively sabotaged now from the inside now and I can understand why some people are throwing season tickets away.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 19:05:01 GMT 1
I can't believe the number of mistakes this club is making. I know Sabiri hasn't set the world alight but a new manager could get him going and why limit the new managers choices? He's a German youth international for a reason FFS. Last year in pre-season he played against some German / Austrian team and he was basically a one man midfield, I saw at that point what I think the scouts saw but he just hasn't had the game time / chances since. He couldn't possibly offer less than Pritchard, so why let him go? Why is Quaner still here but we let this guy go? If the plan was to get rid of Siewert after so few games, then why have we allowed Zanka and some of the others to leave? I'm starting to feel like the club is being actively sabotaged now from the inside now and I can understand why some people are throwing season tickets away. I don’t think it’s being sabotaged, that’s a bit of an accusation. I think the people at the top have not a fucking scooby do. Yes they’ve sold players that didn’t want to be here, lightened the bill with some others, but they’ve also lightened the actual team itself, one that’s struggling to win even in this league. Dean Hoyle got a lot of shit wrong at first, PH unfortunately has come in at a time when expectations were high to get back up. Dean came in at a time when we all wanted and needed him badly. PH has no clue on football dealings, business yes, football no. I think Dean May be sat at home partially regretting it deep down, but health is first. PH needs more than a DoF, he needs a man with the know how to run a sports team with him day in day out, I don’t know if Dean is doing this?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 19:05:09 GMT 1
I can't believe the number of mistakes this club is making. I know Sabiri hasn't set the world alight but a new manager could get him going and why limit the new managers choices? He's a German youth international for a reason FFS. Last year in pre-season he played against some German / Austrian team and he was basically a one man midfield, I saw at that point what I think the scouts saw but he just hasn't had the game time / chances since. He couldn't possibly offer less than Pritchard, so why let him go? Why is Quaner still here but we let this guy go? If the plan was to get rid of Siewert after so few games, then why have we allowed Zanka and some of the others to leave? I'm starting to feel like the club is being actively sabotaged now from the inside now and I can understand why some people are throwing season tickets away. PH said at the Q&A Sabiri had played his last game for the club, he was leaving for non footballing reasons. Remember Dean Hoyle saying there were several disgraces at the club? Does it really need spelling out? I don't know anybody that's thrown their season ticket away incidently.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 19:06:49 GMT 1
I can't believe the number of mistakes this club is making. I know Sabiri hasn't set the world alight but a new manager could get him going and why limit the new managers choices? He's a German youth international for a reason FFS. Last year in pre-season he played against some German / Austrian team and he was basically a one man midfield, I saw at that point what I think the scouts saw but he just hasn't had the game time / chances since. He couldn't possibly offer less than Pritchard, so why let him go? Why is Quaner still here but we let this guy go? If the plan was to get rid of Siewert after so few games, then why have we allowed Zanka and some of the others to leave? I'm starting to feel like the club is being actively sabotaged now from the inside now and I can understand why some people are throwing season tickets away. PH said at the Q&A Sabiri had played his last game for the club, he was leaving for non footballing reasons. Remember Dean Hoyle saying there were several disgraces at the club? Does it really need spelling out? I don't know anybody that's thrown their season ticket away incidently. I’ve offered mine away, I wouldn’t throw it away however. At the minute I’ve better things to spend my brass on
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