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Post by Mastercracker on Aug 27, 2019 19:14:56 GMT 1
Im not laying anything at the DOF's door, he came in last week and Mounie and especially Sabiri were persona non grata way before then. They will all have had a say in it, whether it be a small one. Tbh it lays with PH and whoever else makes the decisions with him behind closed doors. It’s a daft decision, so is Mounie, unless it’s Mounie wanting out which it probably is the case. If he wants to give it a go, it’s a sorry state to not even try him in this league up top. Wonder if we get a replacement in then for one of, if not both? Or will we be told Campbell is Mounies replacement? Can’t wait to see what happens next here. Managerial appointment could be comical or it could be a master stroke See this is the thing, we seem to be being told that most of our better players want out/don't want to play in the championship but it doesn't add up to me. Fulham seem to have had no problem keeping all theirs. Yes I appreciate they probably didn't have relegation clauses like us, and there is the London factor but others that have come down recently seem to have had little problem in year one. Joe Allen still being at Stoke for example, or Newcastle retaining literally everyone. I think there is a player in Mounie, he showed it in 17/18 and could be an asset in this league and has seemingly never been a minutes bother, until now. It's not 12 months since he was handing out shirts he'd bought himself in Arsenals away end. But then apparently a lad who scored 1 goal in 2018/19 in one of the worst Premier League teams of all time is kicking up a fuss about playing in the championship, whilst Mitrovic is happy and firing at Fulham? Seems to me its not playing in the championship that's the problem, its something about HTFC that is either leading to them wanting out, or its being used as a convenient excuse for us to ship people out. Had we not appointed a complete novice and shown any ambition I personally think only Lossl and Billing were the guaranteed leavers on relegation. I think JS set us back a long way, and has cost us decent players.
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Post by captainjack on Aug 27, 2019 19:16:55 GMT 1
I can't believe the number of mistakes this club is making. I know Sabiri hasn't set the world alight but a new manager could get him going and why limit the new managers choices? He's a German youth international for a reason FFS. Last year in pre-season he played against some German / Austrian team and he was basically a one man midfield, I saw at that point what I think the scouts saw but he just hasn't had the game time / chances since. He couldn't possibly offer less than Pritchard, so why let him go? Why is Quaner still here but we let this guy go? If the plan was to get rid of Siewert after so few games, then why have we allowed Zanka and some of the others to leave? I'm starting to feel like the club is being actively sabotaged now from the inside now and I can understand why some people are throwing season tickets away. Because they wanted out?
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Post by ritchie on Aug 27, 2019 19:26:09 GMT 1
Bizarre Assume he has something lined up which is why he's agreed - could we not at least have got a nominal fee and then stuck in a sell on clause? Or maybe it was better to save on not paying the wages remaining on his contract? Another player with some talent but appears to have no drive produce that talent on the football field. As usual being used as a stick to beat the club with by certain posters 😏 The fact its mutual suggests he has a club lined up (otherwise he would sit here on 100% of his wages) so you have to ask why, a player who has interest in him, is allowed to go free when we could sell him on (even for 1k) and then insert some kind of sell on. Didnt beat the club with it, just find it bizarre.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 19:27:40 GMT 1
They will all have had a say in it, whether it be a small one. Tbh it lays with PH and whoever else makes the decisions with him behind closed doors. It’s a daft decision, so is Mounie, unless it’s Mounie wanting out which it probably is the case. If he wants to give it a go, it’s a sorry state to not even try him in this league up top. Wonder if we get a replacement in then for one of, if not both? Or will we be told Campbell is Mounies replacement? Can’t wait to see what happens next here. Managerial appointment could be comical or it could be a master stroke See this is the thing, we seem to be being told that most of our better players want out/don't want to play in the championship but it doesn't add up to me. Fulham seem to have had no problem keeping all theirs. Yes I appreciate they probably didn't have relegation clauses like us, and there is the London factor but others that have come down recently seem to have had little problem in year one. Joe Allen still being at Stoke for example, or Newcastle retaining literally everyone. I think there is a player in Mounie, he showed it in 17/18 and could be an asset in this league and has seemingly never been a minutes bother, until now. It's not 12 months since he was handing out shirts he'd bought himself in Arsenals away end. But then apparently a lad who scored 1 goal in 2018/19 in one of the worst Premier League teams of all time is kicking up a fuss about playing in the championship, whilst Mitrovic is happy and firing at Fulham? Seems to me its not playing in the championship that's the problem, its something about HTFC that is either leading to them wanting out, or its being used as a convenient excuse for us to ship people out. Had we not appointed a complete novice and shown any ambition I personally think only Lossl and Billing were the guaranteed leavers on relegation. I think JS set us back a long way, and has cost us decent players. Im just going off what’s been said. I actually doubt he’s said he wants out.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 27, 2019 19:44:58 GMT 1
They will all have had a say in it, whether it be a small one. Tbh it lays with PH and whoever else makes the decisions with him behind closed doors. It’s a daft decision, so is Mounie, unless it’s Mounie wanting out which it probably is the case. If he wants to give it a go, it’s a sorry state to not even try him in this league up top. Wonder if we get a replacement in then for one of, if not both? Or will we be told Campbell is Mounies replacement? Can’t wait to see what happens next here. Managerial appointment could be comical or it could be a master stroke See this is the thing, we seem to be being told that most of our better players want out/don't want to play in the championship but it doesn't add up to me. Fulham seem to have had no problem keeping all theirs. Yes I appreciate they probably didn't have relegation clauses like us, and there is the London factor but others that have come down recently seem to have had little problem in year one. Joe Allen still being at Stoke for example, or Newcastle retaining literally everyone. I think there is a player in Mounie, he showed it in 17/18 and could be an asset in this league and has seemingly never been a minutes bother, until now. It's not 12 months since he was handing out shirts he'd bought himself in Arsenals away end. But then apparently a lad who scored 1 goal in 2018/19 in one of the worst Premier League teams of all time is kicking up a fuss about playing in the championship, whilst Mitrovic is happy and firing at Fulham? Seems to me its not playing in the championship that's the problem, its something about HTFC that is either leading to them wanting out, or its being used as a convenient excuse for us to ship people out. Had we not appointed a complete novice and shown any ambition I personally think only Lossl and Billing were the guaranteed leavers on relegation. I think JS set us back a long way, and has cost us decent players. Money and contractual inducements? If you really believe that others did not try their arses off to leave (via their agents and every other possible avenue) then your naivety is worrying. Fulham will have players on daft money with get out clauses if they don't get up straight away. I always thought we did not ever want to go down the road of players holding us to ransom whilst holding all the cards? Suspect Mooy could have stayed on the same money he was on last year but the premier League extras and glamour was too much to ignore? That nobody else got an offer is telling. We in the end didn't have to prostrate ourselves and offer large inducements to stay, they were not going anywhere. Anyone watching us last season to run the rule over our better players will have gone elsewhere.
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Post by Mastercracker on Aug 27, 2019 19:50:59 GMT 1
See this is the thing, we seem to be being told that most of our better players want out/don't want to play in the championship but it doesn't add up to me. Fulham seem to have had no problem keeping all theirs. Yes I appreciate they probably didn't have relegation clauses like us, and there is the London factor but others that have come down recently seem to have had little problem in year one. Joe Allen still being at Stoke for example, or Newcastle retaining literally everyone. I think there is a player in Mounie, he showed it in 17/18 and could be an asset in this league and has seemingly never been a minutes bother, until now. It's not 12 months since he was handing out shirts he'd bought himself in Arsenals away end. But then apparently a lad who scored 1 goal in 2018/19 in one of the worst Premier League teams of all time is kicking up a fuss about playing in the championship, whilst Mitrovic is happy and firing at Fulham? Seems to me its not playing in the championship that's the problem, its something about HTFC that is either leading to them wanting out, or its being used as a convenient excuse for us to ship people out. Had we not appointed a complete novice and shown any ambition I personally think only Lossl and Billing were the guaranteed leavers on relegation. I think JS set us back a long way, and has cost us decent players. Money and contractual inducements? If you really believe that others did not try their arses off to leave (via their agents and every other possible avenue) then your naivety is worrying. Fulham will have players on daft money with get out clauses if they don't get up straight away. I always thought we did not ever want to go down the road of players holding us to ransom whilst holding all the cards? Suspect Mooy could have stayed on the same money he was on last year but the premier League extras and glamour was too much to ignore? That nobody else got an offer is telling. We in the end didn't have to prostrate ourselves and offer large inducements to stay, they were not going anywhere. Anyone watching us last season to run the rule over our better players will have gone elsewhere. 👍🏻
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Aug 29, 2019 9:46:53 GMT 1
Looks like (Bundesliga team) Paderborn 07 have taken on Sabiri as a free agent. Maybe this was part of the deal in cancelling his contract. Let him go, don't pay his contract up, Paderborn step in and get him on a free (whilst taking his wages on board).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 17:35:24 GMT 1
Interesting that we used 3 trial lists today at Burnley, wonder if any are out of contract contenders or just kids?
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Post by terrier030702 on Aug 29, 2019 17:42:51 GMT 1
Interesting that we used 3 trial lists today at Burnley, wonder if any are out of contract contenders or just kids? Yes good thought, quite possibly. I know Martin olsson would be a good option but he did his Achilles so it would make sense giving them a trial
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Post by joburgjon on Aug 29, 2019 23:19:41 GMT 1
Interesting that we used 3 trial lists today at Burnley, wonder if any are out of contract contenders or just kids? Yes good thought, quite possibly. I know Martin olsson would be a good option but he did his Achilles so it would make sense giving them a trial No one to get excited about......yet
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Post by E4b on Aug 30, 2019 20:48:41 GMT 1
There’s nowt at all coming from the club, everything top secret. Nobody has got a clue what’s going on these days.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 21:18:17 GMT 1
There’s nowt at all coming from the club, everything top secret. Nobody has got a clue what’s going on these days. Good and so we shouldn’t. It doesn’t need to be broadcasted of our dealings until everything is confirmed etc.
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Post by E4b on Aug 30, 2019 21:30:33 GMT 1
There’s nowt at all coming from the club, everything top secret. Nobody has got a clue what’s going on these days. Good and so we shouldn’t. It doesn’t need to be broadcasted of our dealings until everything is confirmed etc. Deano’s transparency a thing of the past eh? Just what we all need.
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Post by King Curtis on Aug 30, 2019 21:36:33 GMT 1
There’s nowt at all coming from the club, everything top secret. Nobody has got a clue what’s going on these days. Not being funny (at all) but why is a good/bad thing?? Sorry but not sure what your post is getting at.
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Post by E4b on Aug 30, 2019 21:46:12 GMT 1
There’s nowt at all coming from the club, everything top secret. Nobody has got a clue what’s going on these days. Not being funny (at all) but why is a good/bad thing?? Sorry but not sure what your post is getting at. Quite simple really, read this board, the fans are confused. We have no money, we have shit loads of money, things are still shit at the club, things are improving, Mounie’s off, Mounie’s not off but just down the pecking order after the 3 non-footballers. Players on trial, let’s not name them to keep fans in the dark, etc etc etc etc.
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Post by King Curtis on Aug 30, 2019 21:50:22 GMT 1
Not being funny (at all) but why is a good/bad thing?? Sorry but not sure what your post is getting at. Quite simple really, read this board, the fans are confused. We have no money, we have shit loads of money, things are still shit at the club, things are improving, Mounie’s off, Mounie’s not off but just down the pecking order after the 3 non-footballers. Players on trial, let’s not name them to keep fans in the dark, etc etc etc etc. Which parts of this do you expect the club to tell you?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 21:55:43 GMT 1
Good and so we shouldn’t. It doesn’t need to be broadcasted of our dealings until everything is confirmed etc. Deano’s transparency a thing of the past eh? Just what we all need. Dean is Dean, Phil is Phil. Two very different people. Because Dean did one thing doesn’t mean Phil has to. I prefer that nobody knows, that we don’t tell people, the press etc. It’s the main people at the clubs business and as long as the right person comes in to either play for us or manage us, quite frankly it does not bother me. Why do you think the club needs to tell it’s dealings to fans then? If something goes wrong in regards to the club, results etc, then he needs to obviously answer questions or make a statement. With something like players, new manager, tbh nobody but people within the flub need to know what’s going on until everything is signed and sealed.
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Post by E4b on Aug 30, 2019 21:55:44 GMT 1
Quite simple really, read this board, the fans are confused. We have no money, we have shit loads of money, things are still shit at the club, things are improving, Mounie’s off, Mounie’s not off but just down the pecking order after the 3 non-footballers. Players on trial, let’s not name them to keep fans in the dark, etc etc etc etc. Which parts of this do you expect the club to tell you? Absolutely nothing eh, let’s just carry on getting dicked every week and keep the fans in the dark eh? Everything will be ok. Let’s close the datm message board while we’re at it and the fans won’t be able to discuss nowt, way forward!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 21:56:31 GMT 1
Interesting that we used 3 trial lists today at Burnley, wonder if any are out of contract contenders or just kids? Bury players, maybe? I'm guessing, btw... but their players have to land a job somewhere before long.
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Post by E4b on Aug 30, 2019 21:57:40 GMT 1
Deano’s transparency a thing of the past eh? Just what we all need. Dean is Dean, Phil is Phil. Two very different people. Because Dean did one thing doesn’t mean Phil has to. I prefer that nobody knows, that we don’t tell people, the press etc. It’s the main people at the clubs business and as long as the right person comes in to either play for us or manage us, quite frankly it does not bother me. Why do you think the club needs to tell it’s dealings to fans then? If something goes wrong in regards to the club, results etc, then he needs to obviously answer questions or make a statement. With something like players, new manager, tbh nobody but people within the flub need to know what’s going on until everything is signed and sealed. So in your eyes everything is just fine and dandy. In my eyes it isn’t.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 21:58:09 GMT 1
Not being funny (at all) but why is a good/bad thing?? Sorry but not sure what your post is getting at. Quite simple really, read this board, the fans are confused. We have no money, we have shit loads of money, things are still shit at the club, things are improving, Mounie’s off, Mounie’s not off but just down the pecking order after the 3 non-footballers. Players on trial, let’s not name them to keep fans in the dark, etc etc etc etc. Who he said Mounie is off? Twitter, Facebook or the papers? Nobody at the club has said this. That’s the reason half this board is wound up, by rumours.
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Post by E4b on Aug 30, 2019 21:58:48 GMT 1
Interesting that we used 3 trial lists today at Burnley, wonder if any are out of contract contenders or just kids? Bury players, maybe? I'm guessing, btw... but their players have to land a job somewhere before long. Top secret, fans don’t need to know, fuck all to do with them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 22:00:45 GMT 1
Dean is Dean, Phil is Phil. Two very different people. Because Dean did one thing doesn’t mean Phil has to. I prefer that nobody knows, that we don’t tell people, the press etc. It’s the main people at the clubs business and as long as the right person comes in to either play for us or manage us, quite frankly it does not bother me. Why do you think the club needs to tell it’s dealings to fans then? If something goes wrong in regards to the club, results etc, then he needs to obviously answer questions or make a statement. With something like players, new manager, tbh nobody but people within the flub need to know what’s going on until everything is signed and sealed. So in your eyes everything is just fine and dandy. In my eyes it isn’t. It’s not no. But why do I feel I need to be told of the clubs business? I don’t and neither does anyone else. Let the club make the decisions, let them find the right people. If they’re the wrong people in time, then questions should be asked and a response will happen. We asked him to get rid of Jan, he knew fans weren’t happy. We got our wish. Just let them deal with who they need to bring in and keep ya beak out
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 22:02:56 GMT 1
Interesting that we used 3 trial lists today at Burnley, wonder if any are out of contract contenders or just kids? Bury players, maybe? I'm guessing, btw... but their players have to land a job somewhere before long. Bury players? I highly doubt it and if we had any of them on trial or took any of them, this board would be in meltdown. There aren’t many on the books anyway. Harry Bunn is plus about 6 others and that’s it. The others who are, are absolute shite, probably why they weren’t wanted up to the end of the transfer window. They’ve been left with the shit few, whilst the better players have found other clubs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 22:04:47 GMT 1
Bury players, maybe? I'm guessing, btw... but their players have to land a job somewhere before long. Top secret, fans don’t need to know, fuck all to do with them. Why do you think you’re entitled to know what players may be on trial? Isn’t it best you and nobody else knows, get a player under the radar away from other teams that may want them? But E4b needs to know, needs the transparency as he’s entitled to know. Mental
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 22:05:49 GMT 1
Bury players, maybe? I'm guessing, btw... but their players have to land a job somewhere before long. Top secret, fans don’t need to know, fuck all to do with them. I'm pretty sure clubs aren't allowed to name trialists who appear in reserve games and aren't under contract. It's been that way in football and rugby since the early 1900's at least.
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Post by E4b on Aug 30, 2019 22:10:38 GMT 1
So in your eyes everything is just fine and dandy. In my eyes it isn’t. It’s not no. But why do I feel I need to be told of the clubs business? I don’t and neither does anyone else. Let the club make the decisions, let them find the right people. If they’re the wrong people in time, then questions should be asked and a response will happen. We asked him to get rid of Jan, he knew fans weren’t happy. We got our wish. Just let them deal with who they need to bring in and keep ya beak out The fans are the main cog in the chain and have a right to stick their beaks in.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 22:12:17 GMT 1
It’s not no. But why do I feel I need to be told of the clubs business? I don’t and neither does anyone else. Let the club make the decisions, let them find the right people. If they’re the wrong people in time, then questions should be asked and a response will happen. We asked him to get rid of Jan, he knew fans weren’t happy. We got our wish. Just let them deal with who they need to bring in and keep ya beak out The fans are the main cog in the chain and have a right to stick their beaks in. 😂😂 the main cog is the man that runs the place. It was Dean and he was transparent when he didn’t need to be, Phil is now in charge and seemingly likes to be quieter on dealings at the club. Deal with it and let your entitlement OCD calm down.
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Post by King Curtis on Aug 30, 2019 22:14:44 GMT 1
Which parts of this do you expect the club to tell you? Absolutely nothing eh, let’s just carry on getting dicked every week and keep the fans in the dark eh? Everything will be ok. Let’s close the datm message board while we’re at it and the fans won’t be able to discuss nowt, way forward! Quite simple really, read this board, the fans are confused. We have no money, we have shit loads of money, things are still shit at the club, things are improving, Mounie’s off, Mounie’s not off but just down the pecking order after the 3 non-footballers. Players on trial, let’s not name them to keep fans in the dark, etc etc etc etc. The fans are confused - I agree. When has any club told the fans how much money they have? Really?! Things are shit at the moment - no argument. Agreed. Things are improving - Would any form of communication from HTAFC really convince you of this?! Mounie may stay or may go... Who cares? Players on trial? When has any football club told the fans about any of this...
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Post by E4b on Aug 30, 2019 22:15:46 GMT 1
Top secret, fans don’t need to know, fuck all to do with them. Why do you think you’re entitled to know what players may be on trial? Isn’t it best you and nobody else knows, get a player under the radar away from other teams that may want them? But E4b needs to know, needs the transparency as he’s entitled to know. Mental Aren’t the free agents named on a master list for all clubs to see? Where’s the secrecy there? It’s you that is bloody mental if you think it’s best to keep your fans in the dark, ask Deano, he did alright. Mental 🙄
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