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Post by ben1987 on Apr 17, 2019 20:08:48 GMT 1
I think Hamer has some questionable pictures of him. All the out of contract players will leave the club. 100% guarantee it. Not quite sure why you’ve quoted me to tell me that but cool story bro.
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Post by townohiofan on Apr 17, 2019 23:31:20 GMT 1
All the out of contract players will leave the club. 100% guarantee it. Not quite sure why you’ve quoted me to tell me that but cool story bro. Daly looks like a good prospect.
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Post by captainblack on Apr 18, 2019 5:55:56 GMT 1
I thought a holistic view was needed, as there's been lots of talk. So I've looked at the current squad, including first team level players out on loan, and given my verdict of what I would do. I've looked at our most prized players and reminded myself that we do not need to sell anyone we want to keep. Jonas Lössl - Release Tommy Smith - Keep Terence Kongolo - Only sell for a break even fee £18m Jonathan Hogg - Keep Juninho Bacuna - Keep Philip Billing - Only sell for a minimum of £15m Elias Kachunga - Keep Aaron Mooy - Only sell for a minimum of £20m Adama Diakhaby - Keep Ben Hamer -Release/Sell/Disappear/Change the locks Joel Coleman - Keep Chris Löwe - Keep Karlan Grant - Keep Isaac Mbenza - Sign for a reasonable fee anything <£8m Danny Williams - Release Laurent Depoitre - Release Alex Pritchard - Keep Steve Mounié - Sell for any reasonable offer - £8m + Mathias Jørgensen - Sell for any reasonable offer - £5m + Christopher Schindler - Only sell for a minimum of £15m Jon Gorenc Stanković - Keep Abdelhamid Sabiri - Keep Florent Hadergjonaj - Sell for any reasonable offer £4m + Erik Durm - Renew contract (we have an option) Demeaco Duhaney - Keep Jason Puncheon – Release/terminate loan Aaron Rowe - Keep Ramadan Sobhi - Sell for any reasonable offer £4m + Rajiv van La Parra - Sell for any reasonable offer £1m + Collin Quaner - Sell for any reasonable offer £500k + Ryan Schofield - Keep Lewis O'Brien - Keep Jack Payne - Sell for any reasonable offer £250k + If we sell all of those suggested for reasonable fees on the understanding that we reinvest fees received we would have the following squad before any additions, plus a war chest of in excess of £60m (or we’d still have Schindler or Kongolo or Mooy etc) Keepers: Coleman Schofield Defenders: Smith Lowe Stanković Durm Midfield: Hogg Bacuna Pritchard Sabiri Rowe O’Brian Strikers/Attackers Diakhaby Grant Kachunga Mbenza Plus any of the dozen players under contract we may or may not sell. To all of the doom merchants – this is a really good starting point. It’s very easy to miss that. I really doubt we’ll see Zanka, Schindler AND Kongolo – we’ll have one or two of those still. I also think Mounie is unlikely to go, plus RVLP and Collin will most likely be here too. Bear in mind that we don’t know who will be bankrolling us., but we could end up with £60m or more in transfer fees, wages off the books and parachute payments. We simply need to spend it well. For me, I’d be wanting a keeper (happy with Westwood if there’s any truth to that rumour) an experienced championship level centre half, a creative midfielder to replace Mooy and a second striker. We could spend 30 million on those 3 and have money left, not to mention the fact we should use the loan market well. I’m optimistic. I misread the Jason Puncheon bit and thought wow that's a bit strong Jason Puncheon- Release /Terminate/loan.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Apr 18, 2019 6:44:52 GMT 1
Some of those fees are wildly optimistic. Nobody will pay £8 million for a striker that doesn't strike!
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Post by terriers321 on Apr 18, 2019 7:05:20 GMT 1
60 million for that lot. In our dreams.
Recent performances have not helped with valuations either.
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Post by terriers321 on Apr 18, 2019 7:08:02 GMT 1
i'd allow coleman to go and bump schofield up to number 2, I think Payne is out of contract this summer so i'd allow him to move on, dont think he has ever really fit in here for one reason or another. Give Daly a proper shot in and around the first team, he's made it as far as the bench but the kid must have something about him. I'm in the group that feels if we are able to reach a good deal with danny williams then he should stay as he ran the midfield for Reading the other season and was the best player on the pitch in the final, although it wasn't hard. In terms of incomings, Westwood as goalkeeper wouldn't be bad, he'd give schofield a bit of time to continue to develop, I've liked the look of the Brentford keeper when i've seen them play, but i believe he is currently out injured. In regards to other players, I think like you said, we need to know who will be bank rolling us and what funds we have to play with. In january leeds looked set to sign daniel james from swansea for under £10 mil, but swansea pulled out at the last minute, now he has looked a very good player this season, but i would imagine that his price will have shot up by now. Sticking with the Wales theme Will Vaulks at Rotherham has looked the sort of midfielder we normally go for, seems to be quite an allround player and combative. He has had a very good season for them all things considered and i would honestly be looking at signing him I’d agree with you - Williams definitely worth a contract. Grim’s quoted prices are perhaps a bit high but he is spot on, we have the makings of Avery good squad. The gulf in quality is huge as we drop a level. Lowe, Smith & Durm would be 3 of the best fullbacks in the division. Pritchard a leading number 10. Hogg, Williams or Mooy amongst the best midfielders. Even Kachunga is proven Champ’ quality. It’s an exciting time. If we find a system and let JS build a squad that suits it we may have a great season. The gulf in quality between the top premiership teams and the championship is noticeable. Don't kid yourself with the bottom teams like ourselves.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 18, 2019 8:35:58 GMT 1
Some of those fees are wildly optimistic. Nobody will pay £8 million for a striker that doesn't strike! They said that about Arthur Scargill and look how much he ended up pocketing
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Apr 18, 2019 9:22:46 GMT 1
Some of those fees are wildly optimistic. Nobody will pay £8 million for a striker that doesn't strike! As I said, not optimistic, just realistic that we don't need to sell. Why would we take a massive loss on Mounie *and* spend to replace him when we could just keep him?
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Apr 18, 2019 9:26:23 GMT 1
60 million for that lot. In our dreams. Recent performances have not helped with valuations either. I guess I'll explain again. We don't need to sell anyone. What I'd like to see is us driving hard bargains. Mooy will be sought after. Billing, despite his many knockers, will be seen as having lots of potential. Schindler is an asset. Kongolo is an Dutch international. All of these have 2 seasons (1 1/2) for Terry K) in the prem. Our valuations should reflect that, and if no-one pays it then they stay as they're under contract. Now, whether I think that *will* happen is another thing, I'm just saying what I would do if I were Deano. I'd also be saying to Jan that every penny recouped in transfer fees is available to be spent on players, and would bank the parachute payments for a rainy day.
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Post by digs on Apr 18, 2019 9:27:35 GMT 1
Some of those fees are wildly optimistic. Nobody will pay £8 million for a striker that doesn't strike! As I said, not optimistic, just realistic that we don't need to sell. Why would we take a massive loss on Mounie *and* spend to replace him when we could just keep him? yeh we need a few more people serving ale at half time,he might come in handy
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Post by terriersyndrome on Apr 18, 2019 9:45:02 GMT 1
Some of those fees are wildly optimistic. Nobody will pay £8 million for a striker that doesn't strike! Vokes has a similar strike rate in the same period as Mounie but went for £8m, let's not forget Mounie is far younger aswell with more scope for improvement.
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Post by willo on Apr 18, 2019 15:25:09 GMT 1
60 million for that lot. In our dreams. Recent performances have not helped with valuations either. In a world where Leicester City pay over £10m for Danny Ward, anything is possible.
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Post by tobbyg on Apr 18, 2019 15:37:16 GMT 1
Love him or hate him, if Rajivs instagram is anything to go by he’ll be here next season. Personally I’ll be delighted.
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Post by E4b on Apr 18, 2019 15:38:12 GMT 1
Easy, get Jacko back in, he’ll sort the rest of the squad out! Size of him now he could go in goal, be a hell of an accurate shot to squeeze it in the gap that's left 😂 And he’s probably a better keeper than Hamer eh?!!!! 🙄
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Post by arry11 on Apr 18, 2019 16:15:44 GMT 1
Love him or hate him, if Rajivs instagram is anything to go by he’ll be here next season. Personally I’ll be delighted. I just hope we find a different solution like Grant playing on the left like he did late on against Spurs.
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Post by terriers321 on Apr 18, 2019 16:53:26 GMT 1
Love him or hate him, if Rajivs instagram is anything to go by he’ll be here next season. Personally I’ll be delighted. In other words his agents told him to put it as he knows he ain't getting no positive interest. I'm pro VLP, but that tweet made me laugh.
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 18, 2019 17:20:26 GMT 1
Size of him now he could go in goal, be a hell of an accurate shot to squeeze it in the gap that's left 😂 And he’s probably a better keeper than Hamer eh?!!!! 🙄 Well that goes without saying
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Post by tobbyg on Apr 19, 2019 9:37:43 GMT 1
Love him or hate him, if Rajivs instagram is anything to go by he’ll be here next season. Personally I’ll be delighted. In other words his agents told him to put it as he knows he ain't getting no positive interest. I'm pro VLP, but that tweet made me laugh. I’ve not seen what he put on Twitter but what makes you think that his agent would do that? Surely his agent would still rather he moved for commission on any new deal.
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Post by townatheart on Apr 19, 2019 10:57:56 GMT 1
In other words his agents told him to put it as he knows he ain't getting no positive interest. I'm pro VLP, but that tweet made me laugh. I’ve not seen what he put on Twitter but what makes you think that his agent would do that? Surely his agent would still rather he moved for commission on any new deal. Then what did he put on instagram that you referenced as seeing? Just curious.
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Post by tobbyg on Apr 19, 2019 12:57:00 GMT 1
I’ve not seen what he put on Twitter but what makes you think that his agent would do that? Surely his agent would still rather he moved for commission on any new deal. Then what did he put on instagram that you referenced as seeing? Just curious. Just a picture of him playing for us with the title “this is where I belong “ with a egg timer and praying hand emoji inside his squad number underneath.
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Post by terriers321 on Apr 19, 2019 14:19:37 GMT 1
In other words his agents told him to put it as he knows he ain't getting no positive interest. I'm pro VLP, but that tweet made me laugh. I’ve not seen what he put on Twitter but what makes you think that his agent would do that? Surely his agent would still rather he moved for commission on any new deal. Because he's gone on loan to a championship club and done next to nothing so he isn't going to get any better offers than staying at us. You reckon he would of posted that if there was a hint of interest for him going to a a prem or top end championship club.
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Post by Kenny irons on Apr 19, 2019 15:43:46 GMT 1
Will vaulks would be worth a look at. Out of contract at the end of the season. 25 years old midfielder, pops up with the odd goals for rotherham. Set 2 goals up today against Swansea and as a hammer of a long throw
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Post by jjamez on Apr 19, 2019 16:51:44 GMT 1
Will vaulks would be worth a look at. Out of contract at the end of the season. 25 years old midfielder, pops up with the odd goals for rotherham. Set 2 goals up today against Swansea and as a hammer of a long throw Agreed, mentioned him a while back, think he's everything town like in a player. Obviously has something about him
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 18:08:48 GMT 1
60 million for that lot. In our dreams. Recent performances have not helped with valuations either. I guess I'll explain again. We don't need to sell anyone. What I'd like to see is us driving hard bargains. Mooy will be sought after. Billing, despite his many knockers, will be seen as having lots of potential. Schindler is an asset. Kongolo is an Dutch international. All of these have 2 seasons (1 1/2) for Terry K) in the prem. Our valuations should reflect that, and if no-one pays it then they stay as they're under contract. Now, whether I think that *will* happen is another thing, I'm just saying what I would do if I were Deano. I'd also be saying to Jan that every penny recouped in transfer fees is available to be spent on players, and would bank the parachute payments for a rainy day. Pretty sure we’ll “need” to sell anyone that we get an offer for, if we’re to rebalance the squad over the next couple of years back to sustainable Championship level wages. Relegation clauses don’t mean that players will go from their massively inflated wages back to where they were at in the Championship (which was a level that we were barely keeping under the FFP regulations with our revenue figures). Yes...we’ve got parachutes temporarily, but that won’t do much other than keep our heads above water to hang onto a few good men until we flush out our current earners and bring through players that don’t have an EPL wage in their history inflating their earnings. Wages went from £20m to £60m+. Turnover went from £15m to £125m. We’re going to immediately lose £50m+ of that turnover for the next few years, before likely being back at circa £20m again. We probably save £10m from the wage bill with relegation, Hudds Town can’t run a £40-£50m wage bill on parachute money for very long if we want the club to be in a better stage moving forwards than it was before we got promoted. I’d expect all out of contract players to go, and any contracted player to leave if any club can offer a fee that buys out their remaining contract period. Incoming singings will be more likely more Karlan Grants than Kongolos in financial terms. Whoever is pulling the strings over the next 3 years has a massive job on their hands.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 18:15:32 GMT 1
A £65m PL wage bill with 40% knocked off in relegation clauses becomes a £39m Championship wage bill.
That’s roughly 3 times more than our last Championship wage bill just 3 years ago.
We either take a hit and offload players this summer or gradually reduce over the next 3 years as parachute payments reduce and then dry up.
Players will have to leave, the question is do we ‘gamble’ by trying to sustain the levels next season only to exponentially reduce it the season after?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 19:58:25 GMT 1
A £65m PL wage bill with 40% knocked off in relegation clauses becomes a £39m Championship wage bill. That’s roughly 3 times more than our last Championship wage bill just 3 years ago. We either take a hit and offload players this summer or gradually reduce over the next 3 years as parachute payments reduce and then dry up. Players will have to leave, the question is do we ‘gamble’ by trying to sustain the levels next season only to exponentially reduce it the season after? Considering how many are out of contract next summer it's going to be fairly straightforward reducing wages, we just likely won't bring in much in terms of fees. Only Kongolo and Grant have more than two years I think.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 19, 2019 20:25:42 GMT 1
Leeds fans seem to think Brown is coming here permanently next season.
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Post by space hardware on Apr 19, 2019 20:35:12 GMT 1
I guess I'll explain again. We don't need to sell anyone. What I'd like to see is us driving hard bargains. Mooy will be sought after. Billing, despite his many knockers, will be seen as having lots of potential. Schindler is an asset. Kongolo is an Dutch international. All of these have 2 seasons (1 1/2) for Terry K) in the prem. Our valuations should reflect that, and if no-one pays it then they stay as they're under contract. Now, whether I think that *will* happen is another thing, I'm just saying what I would do if I were Deano. I'd also be saying to Jan that every penny recouped in transfer fees is available to be spent on players, and would bank the parachute payments for a rainy day. Pretty sure we’ll “need” to sell anyone that we get an offer for, if we’re to rebalance the squad over the next couple of years back to sustainable Championship level wages. Relegation clauses don’t mean that players will go from their massively inflated wages back to where they were at in the Championship (which was a level that we were barely keeping under the FFP regulations with our revenue figures). Yes...we’ve got parachutes temporarily, but that won’t do much other than keep our heads above water to hang onto a few good men until we flush out our current earners and bring through players that don’t have an EPL wage in their history inflating their earnings. Wages went from £20m to £60m+. Turnover went from £15m to £125m. We’re going to immediately lose £50m+ of that turnover for the next few years, before likely being back at circa £20m again. We probably save £10m from the wage bill with relegation, Hudds Town can’t run a £40-£50m wage bill on parachute money for very long if we want the club to be in a better stage moving forwards than it was before we got promoted. I’d expect all out of contract players to go, and any contracted player to leave if any club can offer a fee that buys out their remaining contract period. Incoming singings will be more likely more Karlan Grants than Kongolos in financial terms. Whoever is pulling the strings over the next 3 years has a massive job on their hands. I probably should be quoting Grimois' post here but I'm pissed and can't be arsed trawling back to do it 😂. Any player who doesn't want to be here will leave. Players have all the power these days, contract length means jack shit. We just need to eke out the best deals we can.
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Post by Town Duppy on Apr 19, 2019 20:43:37 GMT 1
Leeds fans seem to think Brown is coming here permanently next season. That will do me.
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Post by Paphos Terrier on Apr 19, 2019 20:44:06 GMT 1
Smith is a very good Championship right back. No way should we let him go. Let him go to Bradford with the rest of the rubbish
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