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Post by arnieb on Apr 21, 2019 21:43:29 GMT 1
I think there's place for a natural goalscorer in the squad regardless of formations - he's been a regular scorer for a couple of teams over a number of seasons (ok, until the last couple) which suggests a goalscorers instinct will reap results in all manner of setups. If he's the most realistic player of that type then why not?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 21:48:47 GMT 1
If it was a choice between Moonie and Rhodes? Hard to say JR would be any worse all round than SM and we know if he’s playing regularly he does finish.
Tbh resigning him for a second Andy Booth type spell could happen..Sometimes players are only effective for one club. Rhodes, Kevin Gallen, Le Tiss, zaha.
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 21, 2019 21:54:31 GMT 1
Question is, what do we want from a striker? It's all well & good picking players we think are good but they have to fit in with the squad.
Would they be able to form a partnership with KG, to give us the option of 2 up front? Can they play centrally in a 4-3-3? Can they play in any other position?
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Post by arry11 on Apr 21, 2019 21:56:00 GMT 1
I think there's place for a natural goalscorer in the squad regardless of formations - he's been a regular scorer for a couple of teams over a number of seasons (ok, until the last couple) which suggests a goalscorers instinct will reap results in all manner of setups. If he's the most realistic player of that type then why not? Just hope he brings in a few attack minded players in and give us some variation our midfield maybe good solid guys but we don't have a real game changer amongst them.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Apr 21, 2019 22:01:28 GMT 1
pace. it's the one thing we lack right through the squad. Mounie looks like he's running through treacle. The midfield two are really slow. Our wingers are too slow.
As for Jordan Rhodes, he's better than Mounie or Depoitre. He's a natural goalscorer. Mounie just isn't.
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Post by ColchTerrier on Apr 21, 2019 22:04:54 GMT 1
I would love Rhodes back. Don’t care what he’s done since leaving us, he just suits the famous blue & white stripes. He belongs here.
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 21, 2019 22:12:02 GMT 1
pace. it's the one thing we lack right through the squad. Mounie looks like he's running through treacle. The midfield two are really slow. Our wingers are too slow. As for Jordan Rhodes, he's better than Mounie or Depoitre. He's a natural goalscorer. Mounie just isn't. So let's bring in Rhodes, the tortoise to Peter Clarke and Gary Roberts hares 🤔. Our slow first choice wingers that are the fastest in the Prem 🤔
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 22:17:47 GMT 1
Only thing Mounie has over Rhodes is age, he’s a good few years younger, but still s***e.
Think in midfield we need players who are more all rounders unlike Hogg who can’t attack or shoot, even Stankovic gets forward better than Hogg and Bacuna has much more about his game.
Up front i’d like to see pace and power, the modern game is based around it so much but they also need to score goals and create them and be versatile if we’re playing a 433.
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Post by Champers on Apr 21, 2019 22:24:38 GMT 1
I would love Rhodes back. Don’t care what he’s done since leaving us, he just suits the famous blue & white stripes. He belongs here. Was about to post something very similar. Would love to see him play for us again, especially as I don't buy into the idea that he's past it. Done alright for Norwich when he's played. Really hope the Westwood rumour is true too. Cracking keeper.
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Post by stevvy on Apr 21, 2019 22:48:54 GMT 1
Someone with a bit of pace would be good. We're pretty much the only team I've seen in the Prem while we've been in it who have absolutely no ability to counter attack with pace and purpose because we're, to put it bluntly, fucking slow in all areas.
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 21, 2019 23:29:31 GMT 1
Ashley Hunter at Fleetwood looks useful, either up front or on the wing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 23:49:01 GMT 1
We had VLP who was rapid with and without the ball but Wagner didn’t trust him in the wide role, preferring Lowe.
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Post by arry11 on Apr 22, 2019 0:33:00 GMT 1
We had VLP who was rapid with and without the ball but Wagner didn’t trust him in the wide role, preferring Lowe. Trouble is he never knew what to do the ball when he got it.
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Post by willo on Apr 22, 2019 0:35:49 GMT 1
If there’s any substance to the JR rumour, I’d have him back in a heartbeat. Still the right side of 30, scored shitloads of goals for us, his record at Blackburn was almost as good, lost his way somewhat afterwards at Boro & Wednesday although still scored a few and has been a little unfortunate this season to not get much of a chance because of the surprising form of Puki. Would also be great for helping bring Grant on. If a realistic fee can be agreed and he is not greedy when it comes to his wages, what’s not to like?
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Post by willo on Apr 22, 2019 0:37:29 GMT 1
And I would put my mortgage on him having scored more goals for us this season than Mounie has.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Apr 22, 2019 7:19:10 GMT 1
Regarding Rhodes, I don’t see how a striker who has scored at max 20 goals in 4 years is a good signing. He's averaged a goal every 168 minutes played in the championship this season, if you include cup games it's 123 minutes per goal. Those stats stand up pretty well, particularly for a back up striker, Infact he has a better goals per minute ratio than Pukki this season in all comps. Salah averages a goal every 158 minutes. Grant averages a goal every 151 minutes. Stats can be manipulated to strengthen a debate. Rhodes was great at Town. That’s now over. We need better.
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Post by htfcfcfc on Apr 22, 2019 7:42:59 GMT 1
I struggle to believe Rhodes wage demands would fall in line with our structure unless he’s had a reality check in the last couple of years
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Apr 22, 2019 8:08:01 GMT 1
A Wednesday supporting mate seems to think that Westwood has all but signed for us.
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Post by captainblack on Apr 22, 2019 8:08:08 GMT 1
Only thing Mounie has over Rhodes is age, he’s a good few years younger, but still s***e. Think in midfield we need players who are more all rounders unlike Hogg who can’t attack or shoot, even Stankovic gets forward better than Hogg and Bacuna has much more about his game. Up front i’d like to see pace and power, the modern game is based around it so much but they also need to score goals and create them and be versatile if we’re playing a 433. I always remember the cup game against Wimbledon where we drew 2-2 down at Leeds road ,(cannot remember the year) but Wimbledon were such a powerful, physical team,they dwarfed Towns quite puny looking team, I would love to see a more physical presence throughout the team as I feel we seem to get out muscled in some games. I do not have a clue on Wes Morgan's contract details but I have noticed he does not always start games for Leicester these days, although I think he is the club captain . He is 35 I know , but would be a very solid signing if available at the right price.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 8:50:13 GMT 1
Only thing Mounie has over Rhodes is age, he’s a good few years younger, but still s***e. Think in midfield we need players who are more all rounders unlike Hogg who can’t attack or shoot, even Stankovic gets forward better than Hogg and Bacuna has much more about his game. Up front i’d like to see pace and power, the modern game is based around it so much but they also need to score goals and create them and be versatile if we’re playing a 433. I always remember the cup game against Wimbledon where we drew 2-2 down at Leeds road ,(cannot remember the year) but Wimbledon were such a powerful, physical team,they dwarfed Towns quite puny looking team, I would love to see a more physical presence throughout the team as I feel we seem to get out muscled in some games. I do not have a clue on Wes Morgan's contract details but I have noticed he does not always start games for Leicester these days, although I think he is the club captain . He is 35 I know , but would be a very solid signing if available at the right price. Morgan good shout but his wages will be massive for Championship. If we were remaining in PL he’d have been good for a year and in saying that, you’d probably pay him for a year in Championship. Surely Leicester would allow him a free transfer after his services and given his age.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Apr 22, 2019 8:50:49 GMT 1
If there’s any substance to the JR rumour, I’d have him back in a heartbeat. Still the right side of 30, scored shitloads of goals for us, his record at Blackburn was almost as good, lost his way somewhat afterwards at Boro & Wednesday although still scored a few and has been a little unfortunate this season to not get much of a chance because of the surprising form of Puki. Would also be great for helping bring Grant on. If a realistic fee can be agreed and he is not greedy when it comes to his wages, what’s not to like? We seem to like telling a version of the facts much more kindly of ex players than present players. That is beyond a kind description of the last five years. Don't get me wrong, as much as I wouldn't want him as first choice, I wouldn't be disappointed to see him on the books.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2019 8:52:36 GMT 1
A Wednesday supporting mate seems to think that Westwood has all but signed for us. Hope you took the p**s out of him/her if we’re a better proposition than the massive! 😆
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Apr 22, 2019 9:07:51 GMT 1
If there’s any substance to the JR rumour, I’d have him back in a heartbeat. Still the right side of 30, scored shitloads of goals for us, his record at Blackburn was almost as good, lost his way somewhat afterwards at Boro & Wednesday although still scored a few and has been a little unfortunate this season to not get much of a chance because of the surprising form of Puki. Would also be great for helping bring Grant on. If a realistic fee can be agreed and he is not greedy when it comes to his wages, what’s not to like? I suppose it’s how you interpret the above. To me it reads like this: Knocking on 30 Scored shitloads for us 7 years ago. His last good season was at Blackburn 3 years ago. Cant get in a Championship team. Possibly greedy wages. However, he is a scorer when playing regular football, I personally think we should aim a bit higher.
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Post by leroy212 on Apr 22, 2019 9:10:03 GMT 1
A Wednesday supporting mate seems to think that Westwood has all but signed for us. If this comes off, least we will have a decent keeper for next season
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Post by willo on Apr 22, 2019 10:16:03 GMT 1
If there’s any substance to the JR rumour, I’d have him back in a heartbeat. Still the right side of 30, scored shitloads of goals for us, his record at Blackburn was almost as good, lost his way somewhat afterwards at Boro & Wednesday although still scored a few and has been a little unfortunate this season to not get much of a chance because of the surprising form of Puki. Would also be great for helping bring Grant on. If a realistic fee can be agreed and he is not greedy when it comes to his wages, what’s not to like? I suppose it’s how you interpret the above. To me it reads like this: Knocking on 30 Scored shitloads for us 7 years ago. His last good season was at Blackburn 3 years ago. Cant get in a Championship team. Possibly greedy wages. However, he is a scorer when playing regular football, I personally think we should aim a bit higher. Don’t get me wrong, our number 1 striking transfer target in the next window shouldn’t be Jordan Rhodes. We should be looking at the likes of Maupay first and foremost with JR as a (good) 3rd striking option. LDP will be gone and I sincerely hope Mounie will be gone too leaving us with Grant only.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Apr 22, 2019 10:24:39 GMT 1
Regarding Rhodes, I don’t see how a striker who has scored at max 20 goals in 4 years is a good signing. He's averaged a goal every 168 minutes played in the championship this season, if you include cup games it's 123 minutes per goal. Those stats stand up pretty well, particularly for a back up striker, Infact he has a better goals per minute ratio than Pukki this season in all comps. Is pukki in the championship?
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Post by terriersyndrome on Apr 22, 2019 10:28:51 GMT 1
He's averaged a goal every 168 minutes played in the championship this season, if you include cup games it's 123 minutes per goal. Those stats stand up pretty well, particularly for a back up striker, Infact he has a better goals per minute ratio than Pukki this season in all comps. Salah averages a goal every 158 minutes. Grant averages a goal every 151 minutes. Stats can be manipulated to strengthen a debate. Rhodes was great at Town. That’s now over. We need better. How can a goals per minute ratio be manipulated?
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Apr 22, 2019 10:29:34 GMT 1
He's averaged a goal every 168 minutes played in the championship this season, if you include cup games it's 123 minutes per goal. Those stats stand up pretty well, particularly for a back up striker, Infact he has a better goals per minute ratio than Pukki this season in all comps. Salah averages a goal every 158 minutes. Grant averages a goal every 151 minutes. Stats can be manipulated to strengthen a debate. Rhodes was great at Town. That’s now over. We need better. we need a Rhodes from his prime, if such a person exists outside the mega bucks leagues.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Apr 22, 2019 11:01:11 GMT 1
Salah averages a goal every 158 minutes. Grant averages a goal every 151 minutes. Stats can be manipulated to strengthen a debate. Rhodes was great at Town. That’s now over. We need better. How can a goals per minute ratio be manipulated? Manipulate was the wrong word. You can interpret stats and use them in a certain context to strengthen a debate. Grant has a better ratio than Salah, doesn’t make him a better player. Your stats on Rhodes fail to highlight the fact he doesn’t really play much football. It’s like a sub who makes 5 appearances in a season and scores 2 goals, the ratio would be better than a striker who plays 40 games and scores 15 goals.
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Post by crux on Apr 22, 2019 12:46:39 GMT 1
Rhodes is a finisher and that can't be taught. He knows where to be to get a chance to score. If he's not too much money I'd take a chance on him, but we do need another quick striker as well. I'm assuming both LDP and Mounie will be gone.
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