So what type of system is Jan wanting to play.

[greyarea]

A couple of months ago I did a bit of digging around and also found a couple of BVBII games under Jan Siewert on youtube. 

Everything points to him wanting to play a 433 in a style something along the lines of Liverpool. The truth is, at the moment we don't have the players or players of enough quality to implement this. 

The players we have played the high-press 4231 in the promotion season, then the more compact 3511 (mainly) last season.

I am not going to get on Jan Siewert back. The whole club need a least the summer for player changes and system changes to be fully implemented . 
Today, the last 25 mins were very depressing. Right now we are neither one thing or the other. The players are also effectively suffering shell-shock from so many defeats. 

[Deleted]

He plays a strict 4-Non Existent-1

It’s alarming after this many games, we and he has not a clue what it is. We get they aren’t his players, but rubber stamp something and bring something with a bit of spice.

This has the potential to go from bad to worse. All for giving a man in his job a go, but he had had long enough to show something for next season, I haven’t seen anything at all.

[huddersfc]

He managed to fit 7 defensive players on the pitch from the off today, and we still conceded 4 goals, with players all over the place. We set up for a 0-0 draw going by the team and tactics. The words "out of his depth" spring to mind when thinking about tactics

[Deleted]

Working round to 2-3-5?

[shawsie]

Got no idea, and at the moment I’m not sure he does.

[Mr Breitside]

No idea what he wants to play but what I do know is that Mooy is our best central midfielder and as such should be played there. I don’t give a shit who has to play on the left or right as a result.

[galpharm2400]

if you watch him on the touchline, its pretty clear that for very long periods the team are not doing anything like what he 'wants'..

his ideas, tactics etc mean little if the team do not even go along with them..

truth is the team are no longer acting like one, the ins and outs of who plays or where they play became moot some time ago..

mooy got the ball in central areas 2/3 times today, he did not look up, he played it either square or backwards.. his being 'put' there as a position probably did not make much difference to what he chose to do on those occasions..?

you coach, you try to inspire and fire up but if the 11 have lost it, its tough and almost impossible in this league..

we COULD have chosen a different boss and he MAY have got some more and MIGHT be in a slightly better position but this team was DOWN some time ago..

[crux]

I think 4-3-3 with pace is what he wants to do. However most of the current set of players have shown that they are not of PL quality. Plus a number of them have publicly said they won't be here next season, or don't want to be for those under contract.

So without Zanka, Lossl, Billing & Flo and the fact that LDP and Mounie are way worse than last season, he's a bit stuffed. Plus Diakhaby and Mbenza were injured once he started to use them unlike Wagner, at least they've produced assists despite the criticism they get on here.

I don't know how many people on here get to try to manage under performing young millionaires who mostly don't care about anything else but themselves. But I don't envy him his job.

There will be about 10 changes to the squad for next season, possibly more. Not all will be new players, some will be returning loanees and some youngsters from within. But the manager / coach needs to be given a chance. Wagner got a couple of senior English pros on his side to start with, maybe Siewart should have done the same with Smith and Hogg. But on today's performances neither look good enough for next season.

[overtonterrierspirit]

Apr 6, 2019 20:46:01 GMT 1 Mr Breitside said:

No idea what he wants to play but what I do know is that Mooy is our best central midfielder and as such should be played there. I don’t give a shit who has to play on the left or right as a result.

Agree totally.
Some things just should not be messed with.

[shawsie]

System selection is from lee clarks team selection tombola

[turbo2]

Apr 7, 2019 7:23:42 GMT 1 shawsie said:

System selection is from lee clarks team selection tombola

I described it as bingo yesterday. Same thing

Can’t understand it. Get your best players in their best position. Starting off with Mooy in central midfield

With spuds the victims and manure to play it could get very messy

[space hardware]

Apr 7, 2019 7:48:36 GMT 1 turbo2 said:

Apr 7, 2019 7:23:42 GMT 1 shawsie said:

System selection is from lee clarks team selection tombola

I described it as bingo yesterday. Same thing

Can’t understand it. Get your best players in their best position. Starting off with Mooy in central midfield

With spuds the victims and manure to play it could get very messy

I think we've got one more total arsing to suffer this season (hi Town Duppy 😋), probably at Anfield.

[Essex Terrier]

Apr 7, 2019 8:39:44 GMT 1 space hardware said:

Apr 7, 2019 7:48:36 GMT 1 turbo2 said:

I described it as bingo yesterday. Same thing

Can’t understand it. Get your best players in their best position. Starting off with Mooy in central midfield

With spuds the victims and manure to play it could get very messy

I think we've got one more total arsing to suffer this season (hi Town Duppy 😋), probably at Anfield.

Errrrr, next week could be pretty interesting too.

[space hardware]

Apr 7, 2019 8:41:51 GMT 1 Essex Terrier said:

Apr 7, 2019 8:39:44 GMT 1 space hardware said:

I think we've got one more total arsing to suffer this season (hi Town Duppy 😋), probably at Anfield.

Errrrr, next week could be pretty interesting too.

Two total arsings then 😂

[football]

I remember someone interviewing a high up manager once and there was talk about formations. One thing that really stuck with me was when he talked about moving to a new club and inheriting a team. He said to go in and have a look at what you have and to play to the teams strengths, what ever they may be. Then when the transfer windows comes around you could start to mould the team how you wanted it.

[rastrick32]

Apr 7, 2019 8:50:39 GMT 1 football said:

I remember someone interviewing a high up manager once and there was talk about formations. One thing that really stuck with me was when he talked about moving to a new club and inheriting a team. He said to go in and have a look at what you have and to play to the teams strengths, what ever they may be. Then when the transfer windows comes around you could start to mould the team how you wanted it.

That's a good, sensible approach which makes the selection of Hamer and the use of Mooy all the more baffling.
Forget the results, these are worrying times.

[Amigo]

Apr 7, 2019 8:50:39 GMT 1 football said:

I remember someone interviewing a high up manager once and there was talk about formations. One thing that really stuck with me was when he talked about moving to a new club and inheriting a team. He said to go in and have a look at what you have and to play to the teams strengths, what ever they may be. Then when the transfer windows comes around you could start to mould the team how you wanted it.

I'd completely get that if results were important but they aren't. He's been lucky in the sense he's had loads of free hits to play with.

At least stand by your principles as a manager and start moulding a team and style that you want. When it comes to making new signings it can then be put forward to them what is expected and how they will fit in. Players that want to stay can start to buy in to what you're doing. If a player doesn't want to do it your way and has made it clear he's leaving then don't play him and play someone else.

What benefit does it have for us in the long run having a plan to stop Vardy yesterday? All it's doing is stopping you put your stamp on the team for a game we don't need anything out of, it's another wasted game in my opinion.

[htfcsince70]

For the first time ever in 49 years I almost left the game early yesterday - I didn't I stayed until the bitter end - I don't know why. Perhaps it was to seek solace with the few remaining supporters around me - that said I had to walk down the seating area a few metres to find one! We were all of the same opinion - we are going backwards. I/we could not see a shape, pattern or style of play, square pegs in round holes - Mooy on the right and a centre half in the centre of midfield beggars belief! I had every hope for Jan but it is quickly disappearing - and I know that he inherited a difficult situation but I'm beginning to believe that Martin from Wakefield might have more idea of how to set the team up - in fact on was hopeful that on April 1st I would find out that it had all been one long joke and that Martin had actually been in charge and Jan would now step up! So many players looking out of their depth and arguing amongst themselves - something I have not seen for many years. I am really worried about next season and hope that we don't slip out of the Championship and beyond. I know that no one does things on purpose and that they all want to do their best but sometimes you just have to hold you hands up and say we got it wrong - I'm beginning to think that the Dortmund II has run its course.

[Essex Terrier]

The "centre half playing in midfield" has won plaudits for his recent displays there. We wondered why his lack of pace had not been exposed.

It was yesterday!

[derekoconnor]

A losing one

[Melc]

Yesterday he went and sat down in the dugout not watching the game writing on a piece of paper..guess something like what the fuck do I do!

[Deleted]

Apr 6, 2019 20:56:03 GMT 1 galpharm2400 said:

if you watch him on the touchline, its pretty clear that for very long periods the team are not doing anything like what he 'wants'..

his ideas, tactics etc mean little if the team do not even go along with them..

truth is the team are no longer acting like one, the ins and outs of who plays or where they play became moot some time ago..

mooy got the ball in central areas 2/3 times today, he did not look up, he played it either square or backwards.. his being 'put' there as a position probably did not make much difference to what he chose to do on those occasions..?

you coach, you try to inspire and fire up but if the 11 have lost it, its tough and almost impossible in this league..

we COULD have chosen a different boss and he MAY have got some more and MIGHT be in a slightly better position but this team was DOWN some time ago..

To be fair to “the team”...the likelihood is that they’re simply not good enough or willing enoughto do what he wants.


In Wagner’s first season it was similar, but with the benefit of not being the EPL, you could see what he wanted, but if we’d gone in to our promotion season without the total overhaul in players, we’d have been bottom third and possibly relegated.

The danger of course is that Siewert system, whatever it may be, is not as mature as Wagners original approach, so even if we do get in the right players this summer, it could be a painful learning experience.

He’s highly likely to be here on day one next season so as fans all we can do is just watch this season unfold pretty much as any sensible observer would have predicted it to do after our January transfer window, and hope and pray that we’re going to get lucky with a few new players clicking and performing from the get go....OR....hope we’re utterly dog shit and Dean has learned his lessons and we get a new manager in in November if it’s looking like Jan will be out of his depth (I personally suspect he will be well out of his depth in the Championship, pretty much everything he’s said since day one have made me think that...he reminds me too much of that Christiansonn fella that Leeds had, smiling his way through press conferences after defeat blaming everyone but himself, but I HOPE he isn’t).

[Frederick]

Yesterday he started with two wings backs with Durm and Smith way out on the lines when we had the ball.
Mooy needs to be central always as well as deep for me. No dynamism for further forward.
I would also stop Mooy taking corners!

[galpharm2400]

Apr 7, 2019 19:27:13 GMT 1 @nt said:

Apr 6, 2019 20:56:03 GMT 1 galpharm2400 said:

if you watch him on the touchline, its pretty clear that for very long periods the team are not doing anything like what he 'wants'..

his ideas, tactics etc mean little if the team do not even go along with them..

truth is the team are no longer acting like one, the ins and outs of who plays or where they play became moot some time ago..

mooy got the ball in central areas 2/3 times today, he did not look up, he played it either square or backwards.. his being 'put' there as a position probably did not make much difference to what he chose to do on those occasions..?

you coach, you try to inspire and fire up but if the 11 have lost it, its tough and almost impossible in this league..

we COULD have chosen a different boss and he MAY have got some more and MIGHT be in a slightly better position but this team was DOWN some time ago..

To be fair to “the team”...the likelihood is that they’re simply not good enough or willing enoughto do what he wants.


In Wagner’s first season it was similar, but with the benefit of not being the EPL, you could see what he wanted, but if we’d gone in to our promotion season without the total overhaul in players, we’d have been bottom third and possibly relegated.

The danger of course is that Siewert system, whatever it may be, is not as mature as Wagners original approach, so even if we do get in the right players this summer, it could be a painful learning experience.

He’s highly likely to be here on day one next season so as fans all we can do is just watch this season unfold pretty much as any sensible observer would have predicted it to do after our January transfer window, and hope and pray that we’re going to get lucky with a few new players clicking and performing from the get go....OR....hope we’re utterly dog shit and Dean has learned his lessons and we get a new manager in in November if it’s looking like Jan will be out of his depth (I personally suspect he will be well out of his depth in the Championship, pretty much everything he’s said since day one have made me think that...he reminds me too much of that Christiansonn fella that Leeds had, smiling his way through press conferences after defeat blaming everyone but himself, but I HOPE he isn’t).

won't be 'fair' to a team that is not willing to do what the boss wants..  clearly Wagners 'mature' approach only worked well enough when he got his own players in, got lucky with one or two signings and the rest got with the programme..

its as much good fortune with managing football teams without huge funds as tactics/ man management..injuries and decisions going your way to start with and running with you at vital times also plays a big part.. If we can keep 3/4 of our better players then Jan starts next season with his first bit of luck and then getting everyone on the same page becomes his job.. He has no track record of good or bad in first team results but neither had Dave..

If we fail to recruit what he wants or his first few months in the championship are very poor(see Farke at Norwich for details) then it might be time to look again at it..

gotta show some trust in Dean , whatever the newest set of rumours about ownership say..  

[Town Duppy]

Apr 7, 2019 8:47:17 GMT 1 space hardware said:

Apr 7, 2019 8:41:51 GMT 1 Essex Terrier said:

Errrrr, next week could be pretty interesting too.

Two total arsings then 😂

Double perv.

[Doc Halladay 32]

When JS came in it was clear that he played 4-3-3 but Mbenza was not available for his first game and injured in the first half of his second game at Chelsea meant he was shorn of one of the 2 players who would be IMO his preferred selection. The other, Diakhaby, made 3 of his 6 PL starts in consecutive games in Siewert's first 3 games running Arsenal ragged in the last of those.

IMO it is pretty obvious that JS wants pace out wide of the front 3 and the rest of the squad simply cannot replace what we lost in Diakhaby and Mbenza. This was evidenced when he utilised Kachunga and Puncheon as the wider 2 of the 3 in later games so it is hardly surprising that he has been scrambling to find the best fit for these players who have consistently shown as not good enough as a group. And when our Danish trio have been removed from that already weak squad it doesn't surprise me one jot that performances have worsened and the defeats become heavier.

I think Rowe will prove excellent backup if we start with Diakhaby and Mbenza wide next season (I trust those in the room when DH spoke about IM - that while the loan with an option to buy maybe the 'official' line when it comes to Mbenza's status, we do have an unofficial obligation to buy at the end of the loan)

Personally, as I have already stated I can't wait to see a front 3 of Diakhaby, Grant and Mbenza next season and more importantly what effect their pace will have on the slow Championship defences next season.

The seemingly growing speculation of an imminent takeover in weeks rather than months by Chinese or American owners will raise no doubt bigger questions and lack of an appointment to replace Rebbe is an undoubted consequence of this.

[teddytheterrier]

Diakhaby and mbenza maybe useful for us next season but they both have to improve if we are to have a successful season in 19/20.

[Doc Halladay 32]

Apr 9, 2019 14:15:45 GMT 1 teddytheterrier said:

Diakhaby and mbenza maybe useful for us next season but they both have to improve if we are to have a successful season in 19/20.

Actually playing them might help or god forbid giving them a run of games, each of them have only 6 PL starts and only one together and that lasted only 27 minutes at Chelsea.

Diakhaby's 4th successive start was his most impressive against Arsenal before picking up an injury - Mbenza has only been selected for 2 successive starts once.

[royrace]

Apr 9, 2019 14:31:04 GMT 1 Doc Halladay 32 said:

Apr 9, 2019 14:15:45 GMT 1 teddytheterrier said:

Diakhaby and mbenza maybe useful for us next season but they both have to improve if we are to have a successful season in 19/20.

Actually playing them might help or god forbid giving them a run of games, each of them have only 6 PL starts and only one together and that lasted only 27 minutes at Chelsea.

Diakhaby's 4th successive start was his most impressive against Arsenal before picking up an injury - Mbenza has only been selected for 2 successive starts once.

And on Saturday, yet again, he showed you why.

[Doc Halladay 32]

Apr 9, 2019 16:11:07 GMT 1 royrace said:

Apr 9, 2019 14:31:04 GMT 1 Doc Halladay 32 said:

Actually playing them might help or god forbid giving them a run of games, each of them have only 6 PL starts and only one together and that lasted only 27 minutes at Chelsea.

Diakhaby's 4th successive start was his most impressive against Arsenal before picking up an injury - Mbenza has only been selected for 2 successive starts once.

And on Saturday, yet again, he showed you why.

By almost instantly changing an absolute borefest of a first half into a second half Town team with a semblance of attacking threat.

Did you prefer the first half on Saturday?